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So.. you're saying a multiple page argument started over someone reiterating facts you people have already heard? One more point for our 'esteemed' leaders.
no it started because no one likes to be preached to by a bunch of google jockeys from surrey. ok i promised myself i would stop fighting on the internet.
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Google: Amero Dollar

google: pipe dream

and after that google: Cultural, Historical, political, economic and social differences amongst american nations; compared and contrasted to the European Union & also, fundamentals of monetary economics and international capital flows to discover why the amero dollar will never happen.
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HEY GUYS HOW MANY MORE DOCUMENTRIES DO YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD WITH BOTTORRENT TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO RUN THE COUNTRY OR CHANGE THE WORD

IS THERE A SHAMAN SPELL YOU CAN USE TO WATCH A BUNCH AT ONCE, I BET IT INVOLVES A WATER BONG AND SOME CHEETOES
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Wake up lil' susie.

With that logic you're waiting for the enemy in his castle to smash down his own walls so you can come on in.

You keep waiting on the side lines with your pom poms while we smash it up.
he's pretty much already on the inside.
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google: pipe dream
Wow I've never seen such self pwnage in my life.

Harper Bush and Fox have already signed the deal.

They're building a super highway from T. to Mexico city.

Looks like all your fancy book learnin' has taught you nothin' but how to be a complete muppet.
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HEY GUYS HOW MANY MORE DOCUMENTRIES DO YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD WITH BOTTORRENT TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO RUN THE COUNTRY OR CHANGE THE WORD

IS THERE A SHAMAN SPELL YOU CAN USE TO WATCH A BUNCH AT ONCE, I BET IT INVOLVES A WATER BONG AND SOME CHEETOES
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he's pretty much already on the inside.
I'm just so sure once he's in there he'll be wreaking corporate sabotage on a level unimaginable.

More like he'll be another 3 piece suit muppet gettin tug n rubs in chinatown with his corporate coupon.
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no it started because no one likes to be preached to by a bunch of google jockeys from surrey. ok i promised myself i would stop fighting on the internet.
There's no hostility coming from me and I don't preach. I debate.
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Old Nov 12, 06
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Wow, I have FNK all wrong....


I fully agree. I believe that fundamentally, you and I have been on the same side of the issues we talk about. I'm not sure why you think I've something against the masses of which I am a part. Where we differ is in our approaches. I think the appropriate channels is in the mainstream, and I think you believe its on the periphery. Che would tell us that we in the 'oppressor nations' have a great opportunity to work from the inside - not just inside the Western world, but inside the offices of 'the man'. Thus my incessant call for a wider world view. In my opinion, shit's going to change from the inside, not from the outside. It'll take a bit longer perhaps, but it will happen. Instantaneous radical and revolutionary change isn't good for anyone.
There is no such thing as instantaneous revolutionary change.

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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Is that a threat? I might run my mouth, but ever thought that I'm challenging for the sake of challenging? What the fuck are we doing on a raver chat board other than jerking off on the screen? Spicy language is half the fun. If anything, I'm giving you plenty of opportunities to elaborate on your points.
Unless its for a purpose I don’t speak, shut the fuck up, listen and learn. No threat was implied, what was implied was a request for you to understand who exactly you are talking about and what exactly they do.

No successful organization consciously chooses to be on the peripherary - as they would be irrelevant and eventually obsolete. Integration, and intervention into the mainstream is indeed very important, but extremely challenging. To carry out a more successful. long term campaign, the most sensitive and conscious people in communities need to be given opportunities to speak, challenge their own beliefs and take on leadership roles. This results in an organizational foundation that is created from the most oppressed and marginalized layers of society. That being said, you still haven’t researched into any significant organizations that operate in this city. You continue to argue on the basis of methodology, and still do not have any idea what that methodology is, or put forward any of your own. THAT IS CONSIDERED ACADEMIC, not to mention abstract.

But, I understand getting involved is sometimes a leap of faith, so Ill give you a very small segment of organizations, businesses, municipalities, etc that have worked with us/are working with us.

_City of Vancouver / West Vancouver / North Vancouver / Surrey / Richmond / Langley

_Cuban Government / Venezuelan Government

_BCGU / HEU / TWU / CMG / BCTF

_24hrs Editorial Staff / Al-Ameen Editorial Staff / The Republic Editorial Staff / Fire This Time Editorial Staff

_Code Pink / Vancouver Communities in Solidarity With Cuba / Free The Cuban 5 Committee Vancouver / Indigenous Rights and Action Project / May 20th Coalition /Victoria Goods For Cuba

_Capilano Student Union / Capilano Students Against War/ Langara Students Union /Langara Students Against War / UBC Social Justice Center/COWAPI / Douglas College Antiwar Group / Kwantlen Students Association - Surrey, Richmond and Langley Campuses / UVIC Antiwar Group

_Unitarian Church (49th and Oak) / Britannia Community Center / Ambleside Community Center

_Joes Cafe / El Cocal / Dadabase / Peoples Book Store / Best Falafel / Red Dragons / Defcon (now Tsar Bamba) /

The preceding is only a fraction of our sponsors, co-organizers, friends and supporters.

In the three years the MAWO coalition has been around we have put on:

2 Lower Mainland HipHop festivals
4 Lower Mainland Film festivals
6 Lower Mainland (biannual) conferences

on top our 4 meetings/workshops/classes, rally, 2-6 pickets, 2 fundraisers PER MONTH for the last three years.

I apologize for breaking out what could amount to a partial resume, but perhaps you need to rethink your idea of what and who operates in the peripherary.

If you would like to get past "challenging for the sake of challenging" and FNK shits'n'giggles, gimme a buzz and perhaps you can come out to an event.

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Wow I've never seen such self pwnage in my life.

Harper Bush and Fox have already signed the deal.

They're building a super highway from T. to Mexico city.

Looks like all your fancy book learnin' has taught you nothin' but how to be a complete muppet.
what deal? show me proof?

are you talking about this?
http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=1084
because its nothing like what you are suggesting.

btw mexico's president is andres manual lopez obrador not vicente fox, steven harper wouldnt have been able to sign any such deal since he leads a miniority governemnt he really hasnt been able to get any legislation through.

and a highway? big deal, Highway 99 is actually the canadian part of a highway that already runs from through all three countries, even down into chile.
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what deal? show me proof?

are you talking about this?
http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=1084
because its nothing like what you are suggesting.

btw mexico's president is andres manual lopez obrador not vicente fox, steven harper wouldnt have been able to sign any such deal since he leads a miniority governemnt he really hasnt been able to get any legislation through.

and a highway? big deal, Highway 99 is actually the canadian part of a highway that already runs from through all three countries, even down into chile.
http://news.google.ca/news?q=North+A...=news&ct=title
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I was waiting for that.
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WorldNetDaily, OR - 30 Oct 2006
... plans for the proposed "NAFTA superhighway" in his state as part of a larger plot for merger of the US, Canada and Mexico into a North American Union. ...

The New American - 28 Oct 2006
... Vicente Fox, and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin met in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005 and rolled out plans to create a North American Union (NAU). ...

NewsBusters - 1 Nov 2006
... this country by planning and overseeing the contruction of a NAFTA superhighway stretching from Canada to Mexico and beyond, creating the North American Union. ...

The Conservative Voice, NC - 8 hours ago
... Oh, and one more thing. We do not want a North American Union. We are America. We do not want to become a new world order. We are America. ...

Bossier Press-Tribune, USA - 26 Oct 2006
... government has begun taking steps that would steer the United States into an independence-compromising regional government called the North American Union. ...

Post Chronicle - 20 Oct 2006
... Carol Derbis drew my attention to the potential dangers of the proposed North American Union, which aims at making NAFTA into an analog of the European Union ...

VDARE.com, Virginia - 10 Nov 2006
... They didn’t like his handling of Katrina and the more sophisticated among voters realized the insidious North American Union plan was the ultimate ...

But I guess none of this matters cause I got it off of google, clearly not a good enough source for fnk heads.....fuck I'm late for my Guildford mall conspiracy theorists meeting....gtg.
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NO, we remain fucked becuase of the legions of sheople drones like you who are so hopelessy addicted to fiat money and attaining self-worth through Materialism keep it that way.

you do know what fiat is right?....how much gold are you invested in? do you recommend gold to your customers? or do you enjoy creating fruadulent "false" wealth by means of interest? or mabey the word 'FIAT' wasnt in your school books so you just dissmiss as a make believe conspiracy,right?






lol at "number idiot"..but i mean sean, really...read this over to yourself will you?

"suck my fuckin dick"
"you dont know shit and your postering is fuckin pathetic"
"they aint gonna work for you...mother fucker"

honestly, your so refined with that language you use, and your the last person to be commenting on schooling with spelling like that.


sean, you Embarrass yourself. stop it.
no you are embarassing yourself you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. yes i know what fiat money is, do you know that operationally what you call fiat money is in fact backed by the economic potential and credit worthiness of the country that issues it? the national bank of canada also has reserves that currently amount to thirty five billion usd, all of these support the canadian dollar. All currencies are backed in a similar fashion

gold is a decent hedge against inflation but it is also a commidity therefore its value is highly volatile, far more volatile then the currency issued by the canadian government, many of the msot widely used models used to calculate meaures of risk return as well as the intrinsic price of capital and related required rates of return use the cost of credit issued by the canadian government as a proxy for the risk free rate.

i would not recommend investing in gold to someone who is not willing to loose a substantial portion of their investment. Go take a look at how volatile gold future prices are, it is common to loose 10-15% of your investment in a day, in fact many a hedge fund has blown up on bets they have made on the price of gold.

do you advocate a return to gold backed currency similar to the bretton woods system? heh, you say this at the same time you oppose free trade agreements on the basis of the lost of canadian sovereignty but do you realize the implications a pegged currency has on the monetary policy of a country. it means that if inflation in america is higher then it is in canada and the american federal reserve board increases the overnight rate to cool their economy down we have to follow suite despite the deletirous effect it would have on our economy.

dont even bother trying to engage in a pissing contest with me on this, i spend every waking moment studying this shit, I eat sleep and dream economic and financial analysis. Beyond an undergraduate degree studying sociology and economics I am 1/3 of my way through the most challenging and globally recognized professional designation for investment portfolio management and financial analysis. I have zealously dedicated a significant portion of my life to studying this and while i am far from a genious and i have ALOT to learn, i have a clear understanding of the concepts you mentioned, you do not.

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WorldNetDaily, OR - 30 Oct 2006
... plans for the proposed "NAFTA superhighway" in his state as part of a larger plot for merger of the US, Canada and Mexico into a North American Union. ...

The New American - 28 Oct 2006
... Vicente Fox, and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin met in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005 and rolled out plans to create a North American Union (NAU). ...

NewsBusters - 1 Nov 2006
... this country by planning and overseeing the contruction of a NAFTA superhighway stretching from Canada to Mexico and beyond, creating the North American Union. ...

The Conservative Voice, NC - 8 hours ago
... Oh, and one more thing. We do not want a North American Union. We are America. We do not want to become a new world order. We are America. ...

Bossier Press-Tribune, USA - 26 Oct 2006
... government has begun taking steps that would steer the United States into an independence-compromising regional government called the North American Union. ...

Post Chronicle - 20 Oct 2006
... Carol Derbis drew my attention to the potential dangers of the proposed North American Union, which aims at making NAFTA into an analog of the European Union ...

VDARE.com, Virginia - 10 Nov 2006
... They didn’t like his handling of Katrina and the more sophisticated among voters realized the insidious North American Union plan was the ultimate ...

But I guess none of this matters cause I got it off of google, clearly not a good enough source for fnk heads.....fuck I'm late for my Guildford mall conspiracy theorists meeting....gtg.
you showed me how many times north american union is mentioned on google, it does very little to validate your point.
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^^
obviously you only read the bold words. Do you really think that there's a difference between 'planning a union' and 'joining a union'? In the end, they'll do what they want and it'll result in yet another scandal in our country's history. Remember, this country was founded by crooked men and this country is still today run by crooked men.

Does the Canadian Pacific Railway Scandal ring a bell? MacDonald, our first Prime Minister, was known to hand out food and even money to voters during his re-election. His party also accepted the sum of $350 000 for the railway contract. Think he needed a majority government to do that?

Don't get me wrong.. I love Canada. I love living in British Columbia, but I'm not blind.

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you showed me how many times north american union is mentioned on google, it does very little to validate your point.
You want some ketchup with that crow ?

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dont even bother trying to engage in a pissing contest with me on this, i spend every waking moment studying this shit, I eat sleep and dream economic and financial analysis. Beyond an undergraduate degree studying sociology and economics I am 1/3 of my way through the most challenging and globally recognized professional designation for investment portfolio management and financial analysis. I have zealously dedicated a significant portion of my life to studying this and while i am far from a genious and i have ALOT to learn, i have a clear understanding of the concepts you mentioned, you do not.
nope this last little bit sums it all up perfectly for me. You know your books well....

but i do not have dialogue with such DANGEROUSLY 1 dimensional people like you.

*edit*you must also be a evangelical christian or something...

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^...what i really want to say ive said in PM where it belongs.

but in public, your crossing the line with the "drug" thing mate, you have no idea, you couldnt evan possibly imagine the scope of what you are talking about in regards to that subject.

in all the years ive posted, all the different forums from around the globe on many different subjects, you have to be without question the most classless,tasteless,abrasive,immature peice of slime ONLINE personality i have ever encounterd.

i say this cause when reading the course of the thread...major negativity started with your introduction.

obviously your gonna come back with all your typical shit slinging, go ahead,waste your time. cause these are the last words i am ever going to give you....

-you are a great success,congradulations on your creditials and your white collar job. your parents must be very proud of you. you have done well for yourself. people will admire you and remember you fondly when you pass.

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Economists, grassroots radicals, cynics, comedians, metaphysical journeyman, global travelers, burnouts, and idealists. When it comes down it, the only thing that determines validity is, who is actually building something to replace what they intend to tear down?

Che Guevara talked about "two, three, many Vietnams" as in waging a battle on multiple fronts against oppressive forces, leaving them stretched thin, punch dumb and ultimately defeated. But in order for such a dynamic to exist, there must be an understanding, that whether in the economic realm, or on the streets, we must utilize what Lenin referred to has the human material "bequeathed" to us by capitalism. Meaning that although us regular working people are fucked up, demoralized and divided, we are real and are situations are real. There is no place for abstract or theoretical when it comes down to making real change. Some how amidst the polarization that is taken place across the globe, we will find a way with the tools that we have, and will generate to organize and galvanize mass movements.

I believe that the most dedicated, committed, sharp, organized, and militant section of the global populace, comprised of the most oppressed and marginalized will take on the mantle of leadership when the time comes. If you disagree, then prove me wrong, with action, and ultimately time will tell.
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I LIKE HOW GOOGLE CREW/CONSPIRACY CLUB HANGS ON A RAVE MESSAGE BOARD WHERE THEY CAN ACT ALL SUPERIOR DROPPING KNOWLEDGE FROM WEBPAGES AND DOCUMENTARIES THEY READ ON A BUNCH OF UNDERSEXED HIGH KIDS, THEN WHEN SOMEONE LIKE SEAN! ENGAGES THEM WITH ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE THEY CURL UP INTO A BALL OF SEMANTICS AND WEAK LIP.
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I LIKE HOW GOOGLE CREW/CONSPIRACY CLUB HANGS ON A RAVE MESSAGE BOARD WHERE THEY CAN ACT ALL SUPERIOR DROPPING KNOWLEDGE FROM WEBPAGES AND DOCUMENTARIES THEY READ ON A BUNCH OF UNDERSEXED HIGH KIDS, THEN WHEN SOMEONE LIKE SEAN! ENGAGES THEM WITH ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE THEY CURL UP INTO A BALL OF SEMANTICS AND WEAK LIP.
I like the way Sean denies the NAU and then when I give him 100's of articles proving what I said he can only see the bold print.

Sean is the one who couldn't admit he was wrong.

That's what's weak.
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I like the way Sean denies the NAU and then when I give him 100's of articles proving what I said he can only see the bold print.

Sean is the one who couldn't admit he was wrong.

That's what's weak.

buddy there is no NAU there isnt even a concerted movement to make one, do you know the history of how the EU formed? the same desire to create a NAU dosnt exist as it did ineurope, the history isnt the same and the nascent cross bord institutions or frameworks dont exist. there isnt even a popular movement for it, and more importantly the demographic and economic differences between the nort american countries are such that further political and economic union isnt even worthwhiled, much less possible. the NAU is just soemthign that alarmists have made up. there was no single article that went into detail about any planned union or what it would look like, much of it was simply alarmists posting in their blogs. I bet if i type in 'invaders from outerspace' id get an ass load of hits on google too, dosnt mean its going to happen.

in fact there is an even greater movemnet to rewrite and eliminate NAFTA then there is to expand upon it. Next recession in the united states and i can guarantee there will be a huge pressure for increased protectionism.

revolver i delated the drug reference for you...huggles.

p.s if they officially decide to pursue a NAU ill be right there protesting with you guys, but its such a low probability its something i would never worry about

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p.s if they officially decide to pursue a NAU ill be right there protesting with you guys, but its such a low probability its something i would never worry about
President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin met in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005 and rolled out plans to create a North American Union (NAU).

*Although not yet official, newly released documents verify the existence of working groups that are carrying out this agenda.*

Judicial Watch, an educational foundation that promotes transparency, accountability, and integrity in government and law, has released documents that provide evidence that the *North American Union is slowly beginning to take effect in the United States.* According to an article by U.S. Newswire, working groups — such as the North American Pandemic Influenza Working Group and the Working Group on Electronic Commerce, Information and Communications Technologies — have already come into existence and maintain offices in the Department of Commerce in Washington, D.C.

The Bush administration once again is caught in an outright lie. The bill signing for a border fence following the deployment of the National Guard to the border is a farce, as the Security and Prosperity Partnership is well on it's way to destroying the sovereignty of this country by planning and overseeing the contruction of a *NAFTA superhighway stretching from Canada to Mexico and beyond, creating the North American Union.*

*AMERODOLLAR IS AS REAL AS THE EURO*

Once the Amero is created the CFR and the "Intl. Bankers" will crash the economies/stock markets of the world (RE:BLACK MONDAY) and then it's WW3.

Then all your fancy degrees and condos and Jaguars will mean fuck all.
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Once the Amero is created the CFR and the "Intl. Bankers" will crash the economies/stock markets of the world (RE:BLACK MONDAY) and then it's WW3.
Then all your fancy degrees and condos and Jaguars will mean fuck all.
All credibility lost.
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