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Old Apr 17, 07
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Cho left a long and vitriolic note in his dorm room, law enforcement sources told ABC News. It contains an explanation of his actions and states, "You caused me to do this," ABC News reported.

It also railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, according to the Chicago Tribune.


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Old Apr 17, 07
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I like ya George, but this statement has `trying to sound smart`written all over it. What could society have done differently. The blame here lies right on Cho Seung-hui. Society has done NOTHING to promote this - even if you do believe society has done something, we`re instilled with values as we grow up mostly, rarely do we change them in our 20s. Cho`s an Alien, a Korean student, not an American citizen. He grew up in Korea, and it was Korean society that shaped him. I don`t think eatin Pho and playing Starcraft (this is my comical misrepresentative stereotype, DONT GET ANSY K DOGS *heart*) turns you into a killer. And I won`t make a distasteful zerg rush joke here.
Ahahaha I think most of us loved starcraft at some point. But i dont think theres a single korean i can beat hahaha.

You make a good point, I was not fully aware of the situation, that he was raised in korea.

What Im trying to get at is that there are places in the world that have higher homicide rates than others. I can think of three possible explanations:

1) Genetics
2) some crazy ass geographical wave force that makes people want to kill.
3) Society, culture, how we are raised, and other social influences

Point 1- Im not going to debate this. Even if one thought this was a factor you have to consider that north america has a very culturally diverse arrangement of people. (unless the cultural conflict itself has something to do with it)

Point 2- this is obviously rediculous, but must be considered if we are going to rationally look at all angles here. Anyone have any scientific proof?

Point 3- What else can we conclude other than its some type of social influence? I dont know exactly what caused it, the most I can do is speculate and probably be completely wrong. But it seems like the only rational explanation left when homicide rates are higher in some locations than other.
Im not saying that this applies to every situation, and maby not even this situation, as there is homicide everyware in the world.



Now Im not trying to pin the killer as victim. Obviously there was something very wrong with anyone that decides to take their problems (percieved or real) out on other innocent people. But I hate how people will instantly pin this person as a crazy monster that had no capability to fit into society. More than likely this person was a social outcast that wanted to fit in but was not able to. Quite probably due to their own actions. If this was the case they probably percieved a great and unsurmountable pressure that built up greater and greater untill they reached their breaking point. When you reach this point some people loose all rationality. Mass killings seem to be an attempt to harm society itself. No one specific, just people in general.

What can we do? LoL who do I look like Dr.Phil? Im just making the statement that I think social factors lead to this. To change North American culture would be a major undertaking if not completely impossible. If everyone became more considerate and accepting of others I think we would have less of these issues. -As if this is going to happen, North American culture thrives on individuality.


All im trying to say is that when we ignore the factors that lead to this we are not fixing anything. To think that society has nothing to do with this is naieve.
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Old Apr 17, 07
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LOL HE DIDNT SAY "COMMA" OUT LOUD SO LETS MISQUOTE HIM
Well sorry, but I'm not that familiar with the English grammar.

Does the meaning change? In what way?
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Old Apr 17, 07
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HAHA LEARN TO READ ENGLISH
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Old Apr 17, 07
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i can't wait till it the media and the fundies try to blame videogames for this.
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Old Apr 17, 07
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i can't wait till it the media and the fundies try to blame videogames for this.
I personally blame trance music...
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ya, with guns
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Old Apr 17, 07
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Guns don't kill People, People kill People.
thats the equivelant on saying "Guns don't kill people.... Bullets do!!!"
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i can't wait till it the media and the fundies try to blame videogames for this.
Dr.Phil already is, what a cunt.
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Old Apr 17, 07
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Dr.Phil already is, what a cunt.

haha this makes me laugh.

im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that americans as a whole are basically war crazy yahoos, lead by a war crazy yahoo nope nope,
its gotta be those fucking video games, like if everyone stopped playing those violent video games and JUST watched the war footage playing on CNN 24/7 american society would be much better off.
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Am I the only one here trying to add everyone I see on the news as a friend on facebook?
hahahahaha

i tried searching the shooter :(
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i wouldnt discredit the accusations against videogames so quickly.

yall know tetris can get hella frustrating.

HELLA FRUSTRATING
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Here`s some stuff on how troubled he was.....two plays as an English Major he wrote:

Cho Seung Hui- Richard McBeef - AOL News

Cho Seung Hui- Mr. Brownstone, by Seung Cho, Title Page - AOL News
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^ What I don't understand is why no one did anything about those plays her wrote... they were definitely suspicious in many ways.

If I was a teacher and one of my students handed me in a paper like that, I would definitely take it to the school's principal and then put that kid on some kind of 'watch' (the principal should then inform some kind of higher authorities). That's just what I would do.

Hopefully from now on the assignments of students will be looked at more carefully in order to prevent a future assassin in the making.
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^ What I don't understand is why no one did anything about those plays her wrote... they were definitely suspicious in many ways.

If I was a teacher and one of my students handed me in a paper like that, I would definitely take it to the school's principal and then put that kid on some kind of 'watch' (the principal should then inform some kind of higher authorities). That's just what I would do.

Hopefully from now on the assignments of students will be looked at more carefully in order to prevent a future assassin in the making.
ehhhh, art goes a long way......tarantino`s stuff probably would have raised alarms by those standards in college......did he even go to college.
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Old Apr 17, 07
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^ What I don't understand is why no one did anything about those plays her wrote... they were definitely suspicious in many ways.

If I was a teacher and one of my students handed me in a paper like that, I would definitely take it to the school's principal and then put that kid on some kind of 'watch' (the principal should then inform some kind of higher authorities). That's just what I would do.

Hopefully from now on the assignments of students will be looked at more carefully in order to prevent a future assassin in the making.
I watched an article with the professor responsible for that particular class with that student. She said that she had handed it into the dean's and had advised the student that she would help him in getting counselling.

These works didn't go unnoticed.

How much the professor said was really true, but it was noticed nonetheless.
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^ What I don't understand is why no one did anything about those plays her wrote... they were definitely suspicious in many ways.

If I was a teacher and one of my students handed me in a paper like that, I would definitely take it to the school's principal and then put that kid on some kind of 'watch' (the principal should then inform some kind of higher authorities). That's just what I would do.

Hopefully from now on the assignments of students will be looked at more carefully in order to prevent a future assassin in the making.
your forgetting one thing einstein

basically any artist/writer/musician whos ever had anything worth saying has said something provocative, disturbing or "suspicious" at one point or another thru their craft.
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Guns don't kill People, People kill People.
Beat me to it.

I think the biggest take-away from this horrible event should really be looking at how we treat and deal with the people around us. Most of us are too tied up in our own busy lives to notice when the people around us need us the most. And, if they're not the type to ask for help, they most likely will not get it. Some people are genetically predisposed to depression, psychosis, etc. Whether or not the shooter suffered from any of these mental health issues I don't know - but one thing is for sure, you have to be pretty messed up in the head to kill 33 people.

Personally, I try to impact the lives of the people around me in the most positive way possible. I have 20 great kids who work for me, and I make a point of being interested in their day to day lives and becoming almost kind of a confidant for them. You'd be shocked what a little bit of caring can do for someone in need. For example, I have a staff member who had been fighting with their parents like crazy. This person was extremely depressed, and I had noticed that each time they came in to work they were more quiet than usual, didn't joke around, etc. So, I took this kid aside and found out what was going on. No teacher or friend had even noticed, yet it was absolutely blatant to me. I gave the kid a little advice and asked if it was OK for me to call their parents - they said yes, I talked to the mom, and they sat down and tried to sort things out. It didn't get fixed over night but at least they're working on it. But, if I hadn't said something who knows what could have happened? The poor kid was so distracted by all of this trouble at home that they were practically on the way to not graduating in June.

I think all in all it's the little things that count. My boyfriend is an RA on a floor in a dorm filled with 40 suuuper geeky guys. So far this year he's had to deal with a couple of suicial students, a drug addict who was trying to bring his dealer into the dorms (this kid got kicked out), among many other issues. But the only reason that he has had to deal with these issues is because he notices them. He takes an interest in the people around him and is able to tell when something's going wrong.

I think that whether or not you "like" someone, you still have to care about them as a human being. You don't have to like the way they talk, dress, act, etc. but when it comes right down to it, you need to have empathy and a sense of responsibility to care about the people around you.
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thats the equivelant on saying "Guns don't kill people.... Bullets do!!!"
No it's not.

It's the People behind the weapon that make the concious decision to pull the trigger and kill someone. The weapon itself is not an autonomous thinking and killing device.
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Old Apr 17, 07
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awww, natalie. i got misty eyed. that's such a good outlook on life

edit: never mind, i read the rest of it. fucked up shit. wonder why nothing came from it...?

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Old Apr 17, 07
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Dr.Phil already is, what a cunt.
its pretty clear that this guy was a walking time bomb with major psychological problems, i dont think video games can cause that level of pathology in even the most dedicated player.

its just a deadly combination of homicidal mania with modern firearms.
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your forgetting one thing einstein

basically any artist/writer/musician whos ever had anything worth saying has said something provocative, disturbing or "suspicious" at one point or another thru their craft.
he's also forgetting freedom of speech affords you the right to write whatever you want.
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Explain the difference, mr. smartass...I'm waiting! ;)
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