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I think people will start using the internet and blogging almost exclusivley for their news within the next year or so. The problem with that is "if you listen to what the internet has to say serenity is the greatest movie in film history..."
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Jul 12, 07
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Same thing happened on April 20th, 1999. Klebold and Harris enter Columbine High-School and start poppin' rounds in their 'mates'. Meanwhile, the largest bombing of Kosovo by the US happens in the Kosovo war.
The massacre was a tragedy and nothing foreseeable, and only a coincidence to take place in the same day. But the failure of the media to properly report all aspects of life is where the problem lies. I think it forms a vicious circle - the media thinks people don't care, and people stop caring because they rarely catch it on the news ["after'll, what do I care about'em Serabanians?".] It is a way to mass-control because it attempts to shield the majority of people from knowing what's going on at large in the world - not just where the US is concerned. I really stopped believing the Government tries to rule this all. It's been long sold to the Corporations.
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Jul 12, 07
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CBC news ftw?
Is it better that we get fluff crap news and not what's really going on? Since i've been living in Canada i've noticed how easy it is to NOT be "involved" with the news. Why do you tend to get soooo wrapped up in US foreign policies and drama if you dont want to be more like the US? I ate dinner 2 families a couple months back and i remember having to defend the fact that i was American by birth. They knew everything about every angle of government happenings when honestly i came here to get away from shit like that. You're blessed Canada. Don't stress so hard on this shit. The world will end soon enough. If you're not doing anything to change things then i think you can STFU.
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Jul 12, 07
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Exactly. The more mainstream journalism is cultured in such a way the more obligations there are on those journalists and it's hard to have objective media when you have that sort of coercion. American media and politics is actually very interesting, there are so many levels.
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Jul 12, 07
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oh btw, This just in on CNN!!!! 
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Jul 12, 07
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I don't know why you bother to engage people who study fringe topics...all you do is bash what they say just enough so it doesn't look like you're bashing what they say. Try making a relevant point for once that isn't a red herring or an ad hominem...because seriously dude thats all you do. Oh and before you crown me with a tinfoil hat...you'd need to know how my opinions have changed over the years...which Im sure you don't care for now either.
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Jul 12, 07
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Micheal Moore is honing his game, sicko is his best work by far. Yes he takes information out of context to paint the picture as he sees it. Does this mean all the information he offers is out of context? No. He uses his dry wit to add that spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down...and more people are dosing up as a result. If you really want to be informed, you better do your own homework, but atleast this guy is opening doors, even if he is a gatekeeper.
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Jul 12, 07
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It's that their media is one sided and will therefore only give one point of view.
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Jul 13, 07
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If you come to me with a well thought out arguement, citing sources (perferebly news sources, not internet blogs or video montages). I might disagree with you, but without the tinfoil hat reference. It's hard to take you seriously after the last time we got into a political arguement, for a counter arguement you used a book that claimed the earth was controled by aliens.
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Jul 13, 07
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It's hard to take his points, when you have to think, "well he faked some of the information, but this one, I think is right". But on the other hand, he does promote disscusion on his topics quite well.
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Jul 13, 07
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The only thing that differs between Jon Stewart and Wolf Blitzer (aside from the side of the political spectrum that they're approaching from) is that Jon Stewart admits that he's in it solely for the entertainment value. Michael Moore doesn't do this at all and therefore has no weight (so to speak) with me. Last edited by ebbomega; Jul 13, 07 at 09:46 AM.
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Yeah, I agree, it can hardly be taken as fact. But promoting disscusion is amazingly powerful. In all honnesty I believe that fox news and O'riley is one of the best things to happen to the left in years.
It forces them to adress the issues by taking the high road. Although most of the time they hardly manage to do this.
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Jul 13, 07
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- the lack of a paper trail at the 2004 elections (as well as reports of hacked machines and traces of Sideshow-Bob-type techniques to stuff ballots) - lack of retribution for not paying attention to antiterrorist reports that could have helped prevent 9/11 - falsified or insufficient evidence for entering into a war with Iraq and taking needed resources away from trying to actually capture and punish those responsible for 9/11 (what the "war on terror" was really originally about). - illegal wiretaps of not just suspected terrorists but also just common crooks. And why? Because if they try to attack Bush on this then CNN and Fox will focus on how they're trying to undermine the executive branch rather than actually pay attention to the issues at hand. Considering the only counterbalance the left has for O'Reilly is on Comedy Central, I would hardly think that this is a Good Thing for them.
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Just study the CIA and psyops for like 1 week...look at congressional reports, look at media involvement in MKULTRA...it's not hard to put it together...if you want to. Project MKULTRA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote:
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Media in every form is propaganda and attempting to pursuade the viewer. CNN, NBC, CBS etc. etc. all spin facts, omit data, and do all the stuff that independant media does that makes it loose it's credibility in your eyes. The difference is, they are extremely well funded. They have P.R. teams that spend multi-millions annually to use key words that put you in a state of suggestability...subliminal messages in advertising and news reports is well documented, and it's a tactic brought to you by MKULTRA. Some others are post hypnotic suggestion, and trauma based mind control. All well documented. People in fear are alot more open to suggestion than when in an otherwise calm state. Would you disagree that alot of mainstream media reporting is sensationalized and fear based? Quote:
This shouldn't be about me, but about the information I bring forth. I only critisize you since you decide to make things personal. Let's not get into the ET phenomenon at all though...it doesn't make sense to talk about it to someone who only wants to disproove it (btw to me the book now is about 90% disinfo, just so ya know). Last point in case (funny how this ball of yarn is unravelling): You might have already heard the factoid about sitting in front of the tv for about 30 seconds puts you in an altered state of conciousness...deeper alpha and delta states at that. Here's a good article on it, check the sources, and try not to laugh at the website name: Altered States, T.V. Shaman
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Jul 14, 07
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Yes he does, he's just alot more subtle and artistic about it. He uses video images and hyperbole however to get his points across, not just funny one liners. Speaking of, Wolf Blitzer would be a lot cooler if he did a few Neil Hamburger lines in between topics...one can only dream.
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Jul 14, 07
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Jon Stuart appeals to an older crowd where funny is synonymous with predictable, like when he does that lame george bush impression over and over and everyone laughs.
Stephen Colbert now that is funny. Some people hate him because of his pseudo-views but if you follow his skits and logic he has some very intricate jokes that slam the Republicans just as much as the left.
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I think that the most glorious moment of his career was the White House Correspondent's Dinner.
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Jul 14, 07
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you guys are arguing alot and shit, im not sure about what.. it was alot to read... so i thought id add this timbit of info.
Im on M Moores mailing list, hes continueing his fight against CNN for their lack of correct reporting. I have a fairly strong feeling he might be thinking of making a movie on it to be honest. Anyways heres what he sent out in his "letter to CNN" An Open Letter to CNN from Michael Moore 7/14/07 Dear CNN, Well, the week is over -- and still no apology, no retraction, no correction of your glaring mistakes. I bet you thought my dust-up with Wolf Blitzer was just a cool ratings coup, that you really wouldn't have to correct the false statements you made about "Sicko." I bet you thought I was just going to go quietly away. Think again. I'm about to become your worst nightmare. 'Cause I ain't ever going away. Not until you set the record straight, and apologize to your viewers. "The Most Trusted Name in News?" I think it's safe to say you can retire that slogan. You have an occasional segment called "Keeping Them Honest." But who keeps you honest? After what the public saw with your report on "Sicko," and how many inaccuracies that report contained, how can anyone believe anything you say on your network? In the old days, before the Internet, you could get away with it. Your victims had no way to set the record straight, to show the viewers how you had misrepresented the truth. But now, we can post the truth -- and back it up with evidence and facts -- on the web, for all to see. And boy, judging from the mail both you and I have been receiving, the evidence I have posted on my site about your "Sicko" piece has led millions now to question your honesty. I won't waste your time rehashing your errors. You know what they are. What I want to do is help you come clean. Admit you were wrong. What is the shame in that? We all make mistakes. I know it's hard to admit it when you've screwed up, but it's also liberating and cathartic. It not only makes you a better person, it helps prevent you from screwing up again. Imagine how many people will be drawn to a network that says, "We made a mistake. We're human. We're sorry. We will make mistakes in the future -- but we will always correct them so that you know you can trust us." Now, how hard would that really be? As you know, I hold no personal animosity against you or any of your staff. You and your parent company have been very good to me over the years. You distributed my first film, "Roger & Me" and you published "Dude, Where's My Country?" Larry King has had me on twice in the last two weeks. I couldn't ask for better treatment. That's why I was so stunned when you let a doctor who knows a lot about brain surgery -- but apparently very little about public policy -- do a "fact check" story, not on the medical issues in "Sicko," but rather on the economic and political information in the film. Is this why there has been a delay in your apology, because you are trying to get a DOCTOR to say he was wrong? Please tell him not to worry, no one is filing a malpractice claim against him. Dr. Gupta does excellent and compassionate stories on CNN about people's health and how we can take better care of ourselves. But when it came time to discuss universal health care, he rushed together a bunch of sloppy -- and old -- research. When his producer called us about his report the day before it aired, we sent to her, in an email, all the evidence so that he wouldn't make any mistakes on air. He chose to ignore ALL the evidence, and ran with all his falsehoods -- even though he had been given the facts a full day before! How could that happen? And now, for 5 days, I have posted on my website, for all to see, every mistake and error he made. You, on the other hand, in the face of this overwhelming evidence and a huge public backlash, have chosen to remain silent, probably praying and hoping this will all go away. Well it isn't. We are now going to start looking into the veracity of other reports you have aired on other topics. Nothing you say now can be believed. In 2002, the New York Times busted you for bringing celebrities on your shows and not telling your viewers they were paid spokespeople for the pharmaceutical companies. You promised never to do it again. But there you were, in 2005, talking to Joe Theismann, on air, as he pushed some drug company-sponsored website on prostate health. You said nothing about about his affiliation with GlaxoSmithKline. Clearly, no one is keeping you honest, so I guess I'm going to have to do that job, too. $1.5 billion is spent each year by the drug companies on ads on CNN and the other four networks. I'm sure that has nothing to do with any of this. After all, if someone gave me $1.5 billion, I have to admit, I might say a kind word or two about them. Who wouldn't?! I expect CNN to put this matter to rest. Say you're sorry and correct your story -- like any good journalist would. Then we can get back to more important things. Like a REAL discussion about our broken health care system. Everything else is a distraction from what really matters. Yours, Michael Moore mmflint@aol.com Welcome to MichaelMoore.com P.S. If you also want to apologize for not doing your job at the start of the Iraq War, I'm sure most Americans would be very happy to accept your apology. You and the other networks were willing partners with Bush, flying flags all over the TV screens and never asking the hard questions that you should have asked. You might have prevented a war. You might have saved the lives of those 3,610 soldiers who are no longer with us. Instead, you blew air kisses at a commander in chief who clearly was making it all up. Millions of us knew that -- why didn't you? I think you did. And, in my opinion, that makes you responsible for this war. Instead of doing the job the founding fathers wanted you to do -- keeping those in power honest (that's why they made it the FIRST amendment) -- you and much of the media went on the attack against the few public figures like myself who dared to question the nightmare we were about to enter. You've never thanked me or the Dixie Chicks or Al Gore for doing your job for you. That's OK. Just tell the truth from this point on.
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The goverment allready has mass control of us and most people don't know this, that's the trickery of it all.
We think we're free but we HAVE to pay taxes, we HAVE to get licensed for everything we want to do. We HAVE to report to census Canada, we HAVE to do business acording to their rules, we HAVE to etc, etc. Now, people can argue that it's all for the safety of the people and the small guy to have all these rules, but when you dig really deep into it the system is really in place to keep the average guy broke so that he has to depend on the government and the big banks. And who controls the Media? The major corporations who are in bed with the government and big banks. That's just my personal opinion of course. And it's my opinion that the only way to "beat the system" is to educate yourself and decide what you want to believe and what you want to dismiss
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