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View Poll Results: shoud BC raise the minumim wage to $10/hour
yes, raise the wage to $10 26 63.41%
no, keep it at $8 13 31.71%
undecided 2 4.88%
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Old Nov 06, 07
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For Diva & thechixor,
I understand and mostly agree with your arguments, but there's one minor flaw: Where is this 'funding' you're talking about coming from? Because raising minimum wage doesn't mean the government is paying everyone more money, employers are. So it's not a matter of money being better spent on these programs than on raising minimum wage, since they are separate (though related) issues.
It's a vicious cycle. Although the initial cost comes out of businesses it will affect everyone through taxing, income tax etc. I'm not sure about Diva, but what I mean by that is I would rather the government spend their time passing laws that will give people the ability to further themselves through education or give them tools to succeed so we don't have to worry about the minimum wage being raised. Our tax dollars are paying for this to be even considered when our parliament sit in and decide on these things... I think there are more important things that need to be discussed than the minimum wage. Although Senior has given us stats that are previews of how it's going to affect everyone else, I beg to differ.

Keeping with the basic gas station or Mc D's model, if they have to pay their employees more for minimum wage, then that affects their budget for their business. So as Senior said, our gas could go up 0.35 or more (and yes Senior I DO care about paying more for something I am already taxed for quite heavily). As for MC D's, you take in to consideration the fact that if you go to the states, the prices of a cheeseburger are 0.70 cents give or take, and here they are upwards of a 1.39. That's not our dollar, that's our taxes. Not to mention sales tax on top of that. It's more expensive for Mc D's to run their business here, than it is to run it in the states, where minimum wages are much lower. I could care less about the fast food in this country, but groceries and other things that I do buy and use I don't want to spend more on just because people think that 10.00/hr is a fair wage. Living in Vancouver is a luxury and if anyone thinks otherwise they are kidding themselves.

There are jobs here that pay minimum wage, but many companies as wishbone already said compete to provide a fair starting wage to get people to work. We are in need of people to work... which is why perhaps we should be turning to put money into helping people who do work for minimum wage look for a better paying job or get them qualified for one. More money being made = more money being spent, but there is no sense in FORCING a business to pay their employees at least that.

As I said before, I have never made minimum and it's not difficult to walk into Superstore and get hired... or for that matter Telus, where I work. I am pretty sure others would agree with that for where they work (except Diva, who has earned making a nice salary, as she worked hard and went through school for it).
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I think there are more important things that need to be discussed than the minimum wage.
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It's a vicious cycle. Although the initial cost comes out of businesses it will affect everyone through taxing, income tax etc.

is anyone else getting this impression?


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I'm not sure about Diva, but what I mean by that is I would rather the government spend their time passing laws that will give people the ability to further themselves through education or give them tools to succeed so we don't have to worry about the minimum wage being raised. Our tax dollars are paying for this to be even considered when our parliament sit in and decide on these things... I think there are more important things that need to be discussed than the minimum wage. Although Senior has given us stats that are previews of how it's going to affect everyone else, I beg to differ.
maybe it's just me but I thought that in a democracy it was the job of our politicians to consider issues that are important at large and not just those important to thechix0r. and how do you beg to differ on anything I've said?


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Keeping with the basic gas station or Mc D's model, if they have to pay their employees more for minimum wage, then that affects their budget for their business. So as Senior said, our gas could go up 0.35 or more (and yes Senior I DO care about paying more for something I am already taxed for quite heavily). As for MC D's, you take in to consideration the fact that if you go to the states, the prices of a cheeseburger are 0.70 cents give or take, and here they are upwards of a 1.39. That's not our dollar, that's our taxes. Not to mention sales tax on top of that. It's more expensive for Mc D's to run their business here, than it is to run it in the states, where minimum wages are much lower. I could care less about the fast food in this country, but groceries and other things that I do buy and use I don't want to spend more on just because people think that 10.00/hr is a fair wage. Living in Vancouver is a luxury and if anyone thinks otherwise they are kidding themselves.
you seem very confused about the difference between tax and minimum wage. they are two separate things.

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There are jobs here that pay minimum wage, but many companies as wishbone already said compete to provide a fair starting wage to get people to work. We are in need of people to work... which is why perhaps we should be turning to put money into helping people who do work for minimum wage look for a better paying job or get them qualified for one. More money being made = more money being spent, but there is no sense in FORCING a business to pay their employees at least that.
not every job pays minimum wage. this is agreed on. but with inflation over time minimum wage actually becomes less money. inflation is around 2% a year in Canada. so in the 6 years that minimum wage has stayed the same it's actually worth about %12 less. so maybe a $2 increase is a little steep. all the same the whole point is that the lowest wage should keep up with the rest of the economy. otherwise the poorest people will be left behind.

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As I said before, I have never made minimum and it's not difficult to walk into Superstore and get hired... or for that matter Telus, where I work. I am pretty sure others would agree with that for where they work (except Diva, who has earned making a nice salary, as she worked hard and went through school for it).
I'm hard pressed to argue with this...
all the same whatever it is that have you going for you some people obviously don't. as said 12% of people in BC don't.
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maybe it's just me but I thought that in a democracy it was the job of our politicians to consider issues that are important at large and not just those important to thechix0r. and how do you beg to differ on anything I've said?
Well really in a democracy it's not the job of politicians to consider issues at large, but rather the population in general, and convey our desires and issues to the politicians so THEY can do something.

So really, in a democracy, it is the issues of thechix0rs, the wishbones, the Seniors, hell, EVEN FUCKIN RAWBS, to decide what issues are important. You don't want to leave 'what's important' up to the discretion of those in power.


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not every job pays minimum wage. this is agreed on. but with inflation over time minimum wage actually becomes less money. inflation is around 2% a year in Canada. so in the 6 years that minimum wage has stayed the same it's actually worth about %12 less.
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I'll help your cause here....2% annually is not 12% over six years, it's actually more.

8 x 1.12 = $8.96

8 x (1.02)^6 = $9.009299354112
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Well really in a democracy it's not the job of politicians to consider issues at large, but rather the population in general, and convey our desires and issues to the politicians so THEY can do something.

So really, in a democracy, it is the issues of thechix0rs, the wishbones, the Seniors, hell, EVEN FUCKIN RAWBS, to decide what issues are important. You don't want to leave 'what's important' up to the discretion of those in power.
is this really anything more than semantics? my point is that a lot of people think this is an important issue and the fact that one girl thinks otherwise is irrelevant to whether or not it should be debated in the legislature.



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I'll help your cause here....2% annually is not 12% over six years, it's actually more.

8 x 1.12 = $8.96

8 x (1.02)^6 = $9.009299354112
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is this really anything more than semantics? my point is that a lot of people think this is an important issue and the fact that one girl thinks otherwise is irrelevant to whether or not it should be debated in the legislature.
I highly doubt I am the only one that feels this way and some of the people's opinions in this thread back that one up
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...Someone mentioned earlier in this thread , I forget whom , that basically employers are going to "get what they pay for" so to speak...

Im sure the person who's getting paid 10/hr as supposed to 8/hr is going to be a little more motivated in doing their job. When employee's are motivated , work gets done. And sometimes not just DONE but they get done well , more efficiently and properly. And when companies run at a more efficient pace , and their employees stay longer and are happier , that increases growth and revenue of the company , which is going to pay them out in the end.

Sometimes its a matter of a couple of dollars that makes the difference....

Besides...Its so expensive to live these days , who are we kidding! ... I dont think anyone can really live off 8 bucks an hour anymore....6.70 after taxes?!!!....

Unless you're a highschool student , living at home and not having to pay a red cent for anything , then yeah , 6.70 an hour in the pocket isn't bad....IF YOU'RE 12!!!!....

But even still now , kids are trying to take responsibility for more of their own possessions...(ie: cell phones , clothing .. ) and they arent necessarily that cheap!....let alone for the majority of the population that has to pay rent , insurance , car insurance , utilities...etc.

8 bucks an hour just doesnt cut it anymore...If its going to become more expensive to live , then I think that for those that are just getting out into the work force , they shouldn't have to suffer on a measly wage to just barely get by in life.
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Old Nov 07, 07
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I'm to lazy to read this whole thread but yes it should definetly be raised to 10 dollars.
A co worker asked me how much I made the other day with all the responsibilities I have at my work and she was so shocked when I told her.

Plus I think with paying someone only eight dollars an hour, you will only get 8 dollars an hour work and enthusiasum.
I'm not like that, but I think if people will be paid a little more, the company, etc will get a little more in return.
Maybe if you read the thread you would have a better understanding and not be so quick to judge.

As for your job, if you feel it's too much work for what you are paid for than maybe you should ask for a raise? Or maybe you should quit and look for something better?

I once had a job at $8 that had more responsibilities and duties than the same job with less duties/stress and paying $11. I left that job after 4 months. Be aware that some places try to take advantage of you and you need to know your limits. This is idealy the point of minimum wage so that jobs dont take advantage of you and try to pay you less than $8. HOWEVER ANY job can offer $8 an hour, but its up to you if you want to except it or not.
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I feel the same way about your stupid , mindless remarks.
Glad we share that common ground.
There is no sharing with you.

You're too fat to share.
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what?! fat chicks need love too.











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AHAHAHAHAHA..


Yes , Fat bitches need love too.

Except im not a fat bitch....just a bitch.

and yeah Im on the curvier side , but in a healthy way...not in a morbidly obese kinda way...
(but pssst..just a secret between you and me....people on here have this pretend image of me in their heads that Im a beach whale ;) )

I get my love unconditionally and for free :)
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but there is a time when quagmire is trying to help peter raise money and he tells peter to have sex with 1000 fat chicks for $50 each.
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How Bout That Fuckin Min. Wage?!!!
I'd say 72% in favor is a landslide.
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AHAHAHAHAHA..


Yes , Fat bitches need love too.

Except im not a fat bitch....just a bitch.

and yeah Im on the curvier side , but in a healthy way...not in a morbidly obese kinda way...
(but pssst..just a secret between you and me....people on here have this pretend image of me in their heads that Im a beach whale ;) )

I get my love unconditionally and for free :)
translation-guys, i know i am fat, but i am just going to lie to myself and everyone else and keep saying i am totally healthy. but at least someone is willing to throw it in me.
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and off my goddamn ass...
One could run for days and still be trapped in it's zitty wilderness.
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oh my.
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is FRA a fatty?

THATS WHAT SHE SAID!!!
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^Not 100% effective in that context, but we'll let it play just because FRA did admit to being fat.
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translation-guys, i know i am fat, but i am just going to lie to myself and everyone else and keep saying i am totally healthy. but at least someone is willing to throw it in me.
How could anyone who claims to be "healthy" spend so many hours on the computer talking to ppl who they never plan to be friends with or get along with?

The only conclusion could be:

A) Fat
B) Fat and social and emotionally troubled
C) All of the above


I highly doubt F*&*@ has a lap top while riding her treadmill.

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......OH LAWD!! When does it end?!!!!!!!!!!

you two couldnt possibly be any dumber than you are now. I hate arguing with special need kids.
what is dumb is that you keep recycling everyone else's insults...

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