Instinct vs. Reason

[ebbomega]

When the two are at complete odds with each other which do you normally go with?

[stringbeans]

instinct seems too basic of a function. i'd go with reason

[miss.myra]

In the case they are at complete odds, reason.

reason is better to fall back on because you are looking at something from a perspective that lacks emotion- which imo can really cloud my judgment at times.

your instincts don't always coincide with lessons learned from mistakes you've made in the past and going on one's 'gut instinct' can cause some people to repeat the same mistakes time and time again.

[ebbomega]

This is what I'm figuring.

"I've been thinking with my gut since I was 14 years old. And frankly speaking, I've come to the conclusion that my guts have shit for brains!"
- Rob Gordon, High Fidelity

[inside]

I use reason then pray for guidance. Then whatever I feel in my heart (instinct) I go with that. Been working great since I started doing that about a year ago.

[ppcock]

reason avoids confrontation and over all negativity.

[Mr Ektion]

i use both. i reason with myself the posibilities and then i use my instincts. however, i still don't make the 'right decision' 100% of the time. topic of the day apparently.

[mapleleaf4ever]

interpolate!

[kir mokum]

i use a magic 8 ball.



...of cocaine.

[Prissypants]

I would love to say that I always use reason but that would be a lie... The best way to make a decision that is tough is just flip a coin...

[Krusha]

instinct is the deeply rooted program within the creature that dwells

hunter/gatherer, food , sex , reptile brain


reason is our innacurrate notion that we've ever evolved from that state in the first place, we're still just reaching for desire

[kabbalah]the difference between the two is the desire to recieve, or better yet just plain ol' desire

as humans we are basically the only animals on earth whom differ from the instinctual program based on a calculation of desire

example: you go through the process of a risky surgery to cure yourself from a potential debilitation

but try taking your pet to the vet and watch them squirm, they don't have the capacity to calculate, they don't reason

all we're doing here is calculating the pleasure to pain ratio, and if we are at a higher outcome of pleasure, we will endure pain for the final outcome

in fact this is pretty much how every decision we make comes into fruition, think about it ... ok don't say sadomasochism because that's a reversed polarity, everything else pretty much falls into place here[/kabbalah]

desire is suffering, desire is instinctual, and sensation is the animal mind, learn to meditate blah blah blah and all that jazz =D

[GSG9]

watch the movie revolver and you will attain my answer.

[yoko*]

I guess that sometimes you can't always just expect reason to get you places. Sometimes you have to take a risk and embrace the consequences as part of the lesson. It's good to plan to some extent, but in life, you can't control everything. In fact, sometimes the change you want in life comes only from making the most instinctive decisions.

[Leviathan]

My instinct is to reason.

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

your instincts don't always coincide with lessons learned from mistakes you've made in the past and going on one's 'gut instinct' can cause some people to repeat the same mistakes time and time again.

well imo your instincts are there because of lessons learned from the past, genetic hand me downs, but usually have more to do with primal shit, danger food survival.

that gut instinct is more your mushy feelings getting in the way of reason and not so much an actual instinct.

[rawb]

EVERYONES KIND OF MISSING THE POINT THAT UNCHECKED OR UNEDUCATED REASON CAN JUSTIFY ANYTHING l

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

i use a magic 8 ball.



...of cocaine.

totally took what i was going to say.

[Mr Ektion]

some people's problem is that they over think things. and their reason gets diluted by possibilities that are a little far out. Then that reasoning becomes 'truth' and it can steer a person clear of anything that resembles that situation down the road.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^sounds like anxiety.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

^sounds like anxiety.

Weed helps.

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Weed helps.

not for me it doesnt.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by hardstylin

not for me it doesnt.

Well, for me it helps me say "Why are you so bloody worried about it? Just chill the fuck out and let things happen the way they will."

Overthinking is my #1 cause of anxiety.

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Well, for me it helps me say "Why are you so bloody worried about it? Just chill the fuck out and let things happen the way they will."

Overthinking is my #1 cause of anxiety.

me too.
and when things are not going as planned.

me=OCPD

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Weed helps.

weed makes my anxiety worse, my mind wont shut off. Its great for when im feeling inspired though, but if not its very un-awesome.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

When the two are at complete odds with each other which do you normally go with?

Im ENFJ personality type, i process information get a general feeling and act on it. so in my case instinct=reason.

unless my instinct is to punch someone in the ehad, then thats just not reasonible at all.