calling folk with ADD

[Gusto]

however you wanna spin it, it's a fucking job. :P

[rawb]

I don't think this is the hardest job Marty has ever had, he seems to have a lot of free time to be on fnk while he's there. And I also don't think it's going to be his career. (At least I hope it's not! :) )

and in the end you have to grind it out in school or grind it out in some menial callcenter job to get to where you're going, so to sit in a callcenter and talk down to people with degrees working in white spot is a pretty shitty and nearsighted thing to do. you're both on the same level.

[ppcock]

yep... it sureeeeee is.

[hardstylin]

2 bananas were sitting by the river bank having a picnic

then down the river comes floating this turd.

as it passed, it yelled to the bananas

Hey bananas! come on in! the waters GREAT!!

then one banana said to the other...


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You believe that shit?

i think that lil joke answears your questions courtney, and should help sort out alot of other things in this thread.

[matéo]

Originally Posted by ppcock

and what happens if you drop out 2nd-3rd year and want to do something else?

that's a good waste of money?
I'm not against education, but make sure you're in your education for the long haul.

No education is a waste! I've dropped out of school a few times but its not as if those courses haven't helped me get to where I am now.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Going to have to disagree with you on that one.

Education's a powerful tool. My point is, that in post secondary, being an "A" student is the be all or end all. I've never ever heard an employer ask what someone got in University in their classes.

Learning good work habits now is more important.

Being an A student may not matter to the workforce, but it does if you want to go to grad school.

[rawb]

if you're looking at two resumes:
-both people completed the same university program
-one says 'maintained a 4.0 grade average' or 'top 1 percentile in class'

you obv favour the one with better grades

also, lots of big companies are recruiting people right out of uni based on grades for great jobs


good grades matter 100%

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by rawb

good grades matter 100%

100%? Think about that for a second.

What about two resumes:
- both completed the same university program
- one says that it finished in the top 1%
- other has 2 years applicable experience

which are you picking?

Not to mention it's really easy to lie about grades on a resume. Last I checked most jobs don't demand a student transcript to apply. At best you could list your prof as a reference, but then your prof needs to remember who you are (and being someone your prof remembers and endorses speaks volumes more about you than maintaining an A average, IMO).

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

100%? Think about that for a second.

What about two resumes:
- both completed the same university program
- one says that it finished in the top 1%
- other has 2 years applicable experience

which are you picking?

Not to mention it's really easy to lie about grades on a resume. Last I checked most jobs don't demand a student transcript to apply. At best you could list your prof as a reference, but then your prof needs to remember who you are (and being someone your prof remembers and endorses speaks volumes more about you than maintaining an A average, IMO).

I remember you saying jobs right out of uni where you can make 60k a year dont exist. well if you have a 4.0gpa alot of the companies that are hiring people dont care about the experience in a few circumstances it can be a liability.

there are alot of jobs you can make more then 100k right out of undergrad(well not now given the financial cisis) but you need very good grades, and they're looking for leadership potential, so the fact you worked while in school dosn't mean as much as if you were building homes for humanity or president of your faculty/student club.

but yeah, if your content to be middle management, effort dosn't matter at all.

[ebbomega]

^ Even still, a lot of that time they're looking at your actual experience - volunteer work, extra-curricular activities, etc. Just getting A's in class doesn't cut it.

of course, there are always exceptions, but we're kinda talking in general terms here.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

^ Even still, a lot of that time they're looking at your actual experience - volunteer work, extra-curricular activities, etc. Just getting A's in class doesn't cut it.

of course, there are always exceptions, but we're kinda talking in general terms here.

everyone wants well rounded people, but if its a company looking to hire undergrads, your academics along with everything else are very important.

Also generally someone that fits those requisites and manage to get a job like that right out of undergrad are atleast going to hold five years of job progression and experience before you even start to compete with them.

IT is probably different

[rawb]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

100%? Think about that for a second.

What about two resumes:
- both completed the same university program
- one says that it finished in the top 1%
- other has 2 years applicable experience

experience always plays a factor. but im talking about two people with similar experience.

you are going to be in a better position if you got better grades.

the point is, if you get great grades in school, you will have more opportunity than someone who didn't do as well.

Courtney, you do realize that it takes a lot of work to earn A's and B's. The idea that earning A's and B's effortlessly is only true for a very small fraction of students. None the less school was never designed to be easy or else everyone would be graduating with 4.0 GPA's. A large part of school shows that you know how to work hard academically and have the work habbits. Thus many say work tends to be easier after uni.

It is possible for people with HDHD/ADD to have A's and B's, BUT ITS A LOT MORE WORK! Either these students and those with other learning difficulties often have to take a smaller course load and spend a lot more time studying and doing homework.

But if you dont have any of these conditions that reason for your attention problems is probably based on your diet. Its been known that diet can make a difference for those who have HDHD and Autism. Im sure it effects the "norm" as well. Oh and you if you like to smoke M.J., I believe that can also cause some learning problems, especially with attention!

Originally Posted by ppcock

and what happens if you drop out 2nd-3rd year and want to do something else?

that's a good waste of money?
I'm not against education, but make sure you're in your education for the long haul.

Yeah but Marty, that generalization is for the weak. I have no idea why anyone would go to school when they dont know what they want to do. Let alone why would anyone enroll them selfs into a program with out resurching the job opportunities.

Even more importantly, people should at least try some kind of lower end job or volunteer work in the field they're interested in, before getting their feet wet. I wouldn't blame the school system on this, but rather those who dont think before they commit to 4-7 years of their life.

And really, does anyone ever know what they really want to do in their life?

[mojo]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

I have no idea why anyone would go to school when they dont know what they want to do.

because they can? I don't know what i will do when i graduate, nor do i have a target career for which i am gearing my studies towards. I do however realize that i am lucky to be able to go to post-secondary in the first place, and am young and it is likely the most optimal time, so i hope that when it is all said and done i will find something that my education can help me excel at.

I'm kinda running on what you said in your last line, i hope it pans out for me. otherwise i will be a well educated poor man for a while.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by mojo

because they can?

i dont think thats a good reason to go to school unless it's paid for.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by mojo

because they can? I don't know what i will do when i graduate, nor do i have a target career for which i am gearing my studies towards. I do however realize that i am lucky to be able to go to post-secondary in the first place, and am young and it is likely the most optimal time, so i hope that when it is all said and done i will find something that my education can help me excel at.

I'm kinda running on what you said in your last line, i hope it pans out for me. otherwise i will be a well educated poor man for a while.

totally
I took 2 years of business that I hated and it was a waste of time and doesn't transfer..however if I hadn't done it I wouldn't have known how much I hated it and tried something else
It sucks that money is involved but the more you learn the more you discover what is and isn't for you...

[mojo]

Originally Posted by rawb

i dont think thats a good reason to go to school unless it's paid for.

I guess we think differently then rawb.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

What do you call a doctor who graduated last in his class? Doctor.

Originally Posted by mojo

because they can? I don't know what i will do when i graduate, nor do i have a target career for which i am gearing my studies towards. I do however realize that i am lucky to be able to go to post-secondary in the first place, and am young and it is likely the most optimal time, so i hope that when it is all said and done i will find something that my education can help me excel at.

I'm kinda running on what you said in your last line, i hope it pans out for me. otherwise i will be a well educated poor man for a while.

But than I ask why the rich and famous dont save the world with all their money and power.

Thing is I known a lot of smart uni school people who effortlessly seem to get A's and B's. Yet many of them seem to be the ones who dropped out after a year or two. I have a hard time understanding why as I struggle and would kill for a brain like theres. But than, that just wasnt what they saw at the end of the tunnel in their life. They are still smart people and that smarts has put them in other careers where they're doing great at. Not every "great job" requires a degree.

If people arnt wasting time and money, than their wasting seats and scholarships for those who really need or want them. It pains me to see people in classes who dont care about the course.

I know its a great opportunity, but why take it if your never going to use it?

[rawb]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

What do you call a doctor who graduated last in his class? Doctor.

What does this Doctor call the Doctor who graduated at the head of his class? "That fucker who makes twice as much as me".

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

But than I ask why the rich and famous dont save the world with all their money and power.

Thing is I known a lot of smart uni school people who effortlessly seem to get A's and B's. Yet many of them seem to be the ones who dropped out after a year or two. I have a hard time understanding why as I struggle and would kill for a brain like theres. But than, that just wasnt what they saw at the end of the tunnel in their life. They are still smart people and that smarts has put them in other careers where they're doing great at. Not every "great job" requires a degree.

If people arnt wasting time and money, than their wasting seats and scholarships for those who really need or want them. It pains me to see people in classes who dont care about the course.

I know its a great opportunity, but why take it if your never going to use it?

why does it pain you to see these people in courses? it has nothing to do with you.....
I think the more education is being given, the better. Even if those people don't want to be there even if they take just the tiniest knowledge out of it can make a difference. Everything is so money based that I think education is really devalued in other ways. Education is so much more than just a peice of paper....Ignorance and lack of education is such a problem in our society and the more people that learn, the more our society can advance. The more ignorance that is erased due to gained knowledge through education, the more equality our society can work towards!

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by rawb

i dont think thats a good reason to go to school unless it's paid for.

Totally disagree with you here

[mojo]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

But than I ask why the rich and famous dont save the world with all their money and power.

Thing is I known a lot of smart uni school people who effortlessly seem to get A's and B's. Yet many of them seem to be the ones who dropped out after a year or two. I have a hard time understanding why as I struggle and would kill for a brain like theres. But than, that just wasnt what they saw at the end of the tunnel in their life. They are still smart people and that smarts has put them in other careers where they're doing great at. Not every "great job" requires a degree.

If people arnt wasting time and money, than their wasting seats and scholarships for those who really need or want them. It pains me to see people in classes who dont care about the course.

I know its a great opportunity, but why take it if your never going to use it?

perhaps I have misunderstood you, or vice versa, but I was simply responding to your comment regarding why someone would go to school if they did not know what they want to do. How about to figure that out? You asked if anyone really knows what they want to do in their life....I can think of few options that parallel education in terms of opening your eyes to the world and what impact you can have in it.

It is a great opportunity, you are correct, and something I am privileged enough to be able to do...why would I not take advantage of that? I have met people who would give up everything to have what I have, and for me not to go to school just because I don't have a career at the end of the rainbow is ridiculous to me. I don't see my education as a means to an end, but more as a means to a beginning.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by hardstylin

i think that lil joke answears your questions courtney, and should help sort out alot of other things in this thread.

If that didn't, this surely will.



Courtney = Cleveland
Me = Peter
Rock Lobster = Awesome