Lets get serious about the swine flu vaccive for a minute

[C_squared]

Without having to turn this thread into some conspiracy theorist, shock doctrine circle jerk...

Personally I don't plan to get it. Over 30K+ Americans die annually from the OLD school flu.

Never received any sort of flu shot since I left High School over 10 years ago and only had the flu maybe, MAYBE 3 times in the past decade.

Thoughts?

[mapleleaf4ever]

Nope, not bothering.

I've never had a Flu shot and also had the Flu maybe about 3 times in my memory.

So, honestly there's no reason for me to get all up-at-arms about this one.

[-evil-duerr-]

i got the flu in early september, the worst of it lasted about 1.5 weeks then it gradually tapered away over a 6 week period. Still don't have quite the same energy levels I did before getting sick, but I guess that's par for the course.
Even if I had wanted to get the vaccine it wasn't available to us until after I was mostly recovered. The idea of taking brand new experimental medication for the flu doesn't appeal to me. I took my chances and just dosed up on lots of vitamin supplements, healthy foods and lemon water - seems to have worked.

[Krusha]

swine flu is just the beginning... just as are cattle have been introduced, slowly we too will be labeled and marked and quarantined and vaccinated and blah blah blah blah

it's really lame the direction the industrialized world is taking, but who fucking cares, we're all gonna get chipped, we're all gonna take a mandatory flu shot in the future, and swine flu is just a test run for these things to become socially acceptable

if you want to help, just stop eating meat... the health benefits to your body and the world are tenfold any preachy self righteous shit i or anyone else could hope to achieve by forcing their opinions on others

but i'm surprised this swine flu shit has gotten this hysterical! I mean this is already mass hysteria! fucking hand sanitizers in every public market? George Carlin is definitely turning in his grave

[stephen_c]

on the fence waitin for peeps to drop like flies.

if that happens, it's a mad dash to the clinic for me.


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[baby-phat]

I'm not planning on getting it. However, I work in medical offices around old people and kids so I may be required to. ugh
Every year that I've gotten the seasonal flu shot I always end up with the flu, so screw that noise.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Krusha

swine flu is just the beginning... just as are cattle have been introduced, slowly we too will be labeled and marked and quarantined and vaccinated and blah blah blah blah

it's really lame the direction the industrialized world is taking, but who fucking cares, we're all gonna get chipped, we're all gonna take a mandatory flu shot in the future, and swine flu is just a test run for these things to become socially acceptable

Damn't Krusha, didn't you read the first part of the post?

[diva]

I'm getting it. Same as every year.

The flu kills thousands of people a year (mostly old people), but this particular strain is making otherwise healthy 20-30 year olds very, very sick.

Latest info from World Health Organization: WHO | Pandemic (H1N1) 2009

H1N1 is the same subtype that cause the Spanish Flu, which killed 50 million people, between 1918 and 1920.

Influenza pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <-- good article.

"influenza pandemic is an epidemic of an influenza virus that spreads on a worldwide scale and infects a large proportion of the human population. In contrast to the regular seasonal epidemics of influenza, these pandemics occur irregularly, with the 1918 Spanish flu the most serious pandemic in recent history. Pandemics can cause high levels of mortality, with the Spanish influenza estimated as being responsible for the deaths of over 50 million people. There have been about three influenza pandemics in each century for the last 300 years. The most recent ones were the Asian Flu in 1957 and the Hong Kong Flu in 1968.

Influenza pandemics occur when a new strain of the influenza virus is transmitted to humans from another animal species. Species that are thought to be important in the emergence of new human strains are pigs, chickens and ducks. These novel strains are unaffected by any immunity people may have to older strains of human influenza and can therefore spread extremely rapidly and infect very large numbers of people. Influenza A viruses can occasionally be transmitted from wild birds to other species causing outbreaks in domestic poultry and may give rise to human influenza pandemics.

The World Health Organization (WHO) warns that there is a substantial risk of an influenza pandemic within the next few years. One of the strongest candidates is a highly pathogenic variation of the H5N1 subtype of Influenza A virus. As of 2006, prepandemic influenza vaccines are being developed against the most likely suspects which include H5N1, H7N1, and H9N2. Certain scholars and senior policy advisors argue that pandemic influenza represents a substantive threat to the international economy, to each nation's national security, and a challenge to international governance.

On 11 June 2009, a new strain of H1N1 influenza was declared to be a global pandemic (Stage 6) by the World Health Organization after evidence of spreading in the southern hemisphere.[6] As of 11 October 2009 WHO worldwide update stated that "74 countries have officially reported over 399,232 laboratory confirmed cases of the influenza pandemic H1N1 infection, including 4,735 deaths."

The WHO website has a lot of good info for those who are interested. Best to be informed about this. And use hand sanitizer.

[laska]

Bring it on!
While you losers are choking on your own bile in your sweat-stained sheets for weeks on end, I'll be out dancing!

[ebbomega]

I honestly don't see why not.

ZOMG I MIGHT GET AUTISM! SCARE TACTICS! FEAR MONGERING! Please.

[Krusha]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Damn't Krusha, didn't you read the first part of the post?

yeah i did

that's not a theory, it's an inevitability, stop acting surprised , are you really that dumb that you don't think it's happening?

[Krusha]

also, it's not like i care, i will rejoice when humanity is wiped off the planet

don't catch me into a debate i don't wanna aruge it either, i'm over this topic

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Damn't Krusha, didn't you read the first part of the post?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Krusha

also, it's not like i care, i will rejoice when humanity is wiped off the planet

what the fuck?

[C_squared]

Depite Diva's regurgitation of info she's found on the web, it really doesn't illustrate who is at risk. people should stop to consider if they have any underlying illness such as asthma or any related respiratory problem. Also, Babies, duh... they are vulnerable to ANY flu. Women who are pregs, also obvious. People for are really fat, like the morbidly obese (the word morbid appears somewhere there)

This is without saying that of course ANYONE could be at risk. Everybody is at risk of catching this flu, that's without question. The logic should be, am I at risk? And if so, then consider the vaccine to prevent falling fatally ill.

There have already been cases of this flu in Vancouver. It's already here and adults (20 somethings +) that have been in near perfect to perfect bill of health were ok and sweated out the flu within days.

You can still get the flu even if you get the vaccine. It just probably wont kill you. and if your healthy, then hey your chances of NOT dying just doubled. To me this appears to be a 50/50 chance and I can gamble with that, considering I'm not some morbidly obese, wheesy fat person who's aging and pregnant. Imagine that!

The fear mongering isn't about NOT getting the vaccine. The fear mongering is to GET the vaccince. This is without having any real proof of how severe this flu actually is. Also this vaccine has been rushed to market faster than any other vaccince in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD. If it was really that bad, don't you think we would experience what happened with the Spanish flu a lot sooner? We also live in the 21st century and have better resources to stay clean and sanitary in cases like this. Also better understanding on how to protect yourself from the flu is more evident than it was decades ago.

For some reason through the media hype in regards to getting the swine flu vaccine, people seem to forget the hype that happened with the bird flu, though while fatal (like any other previous form of the flu) was also filled with fear mongering into getting the vaccine.

It really is all about logic and how you read the media and cross reference other info. Also because Obama called a state of emergency also adds fuel to the fear mongering to get vaccinated.

Also the word pandemic is not synonymous with world wide death. Homelessness in Vancouver is pandemic. Aids is a pandemic. Autism is a pandemic. Think about that for a second as ask yourself if you're really that scared.

But hey like I said this a 50/50 gamble I'm willing to take. And it's not until I hear a cart outside my apartment asking me to bring out my dead will I reconsidered what I have just seen, read or said.

This is a general reply to most of the posts above. Not a specific one.

[ebbomega]

Can someone please give me a reason why not?

No, "Because it's overhyped by the media" isn't a reason, just a complaint about overemphasizing it's severity. And neither is "because it's unlikely you'll get it." I like to avoid playing odds whenever possible.

People with perfect bills of health _have_ died of swine flu, just not many.

If the vaccine is made accessible and easy for me to take, I'll probably take it, unless someone can give me a reason why not.

[decypher]

how does one rejoice when dead?

Anyways, I don't think this is a 50/50 gamble. Everyone is entitled to their concerns but that doesn't mean that you have a one in two chance of being harmed if you take the vaccine or not.

I am concerned though for other older family members and friends with lung problems about whether they should get vaccinated or not. While the media on the h1n1 issue has been sensationalist for months, so has the worries about the vaccine. Taking anything runs a certain risk, even seasonal flu shots or any prescription. It's a lot to consider, I won't be getting the shot though. I don't see why not though, I would probably urge people I knew who were at risk to get vaccinated first over myself.

Someone I know spent an afternoon with someone who got swine flu a few weeks ago and then we started getting a little sick which was alarming but turned out to be nothing. I'm hoping I'm the small percentage with immunity. It was already freaky enough traveling this summer with infrared thermometer scans everywhere.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by C_squared

Also the word pandemic is not synonymous with world wide death. Homelessness in Vancouver is pandemic. Aids is a pandemic. Autism is a pandemic. Think about that for a second as ask yourself if you're really that scared.

lol srsly? Last time I checked, you can't catch AIDS or homeless from riding a bus, going to work, or being anywhere in public touching things and/or interacting with people. That paragraph earns this essay a c minus! :P

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

lol srsly? Last time I checked, you can't catch AIDS or homeless from riding a bus, going to work, or being anywhere in public touching things and/or interacting with people. That paragraph earns this essay a c minus! :P

Hahah, not my best work by a long shot. I just find that people are expecting for hundreds of thousands of people to start dropping dead right in front of them. Its just how I see the media stirring the pot.

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Can someone please give me a reason why not?

No, I can't. Honestly I have thought about trying to find a reason. I didn't start this thread campaigning people to not take the vaccine. I think my approach was of concern to hear other peoples thoughts while trying to not come across all preachy.

Go ahead take the vaccine and tell me if you experience any mild to severe side effects. Then I can start thinking about this topic from the ground up again.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Can someone please give me a reason why not?

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they just discovered the virus this year, and the medication for it was invented within months... how could they possibly test it properly to make sure it's safe for the consumption of humans?

although it might be perfectly safe, it also might totally fuck people up. the fact is noone knows for sure what the long term effects of this experimental treatment are.

[Krusha]

Originally Posted by decypher

how does one rejoice when dead?

obv on my spaceship with xenu you heathen


fuck i forgot how incestuously you guys nitpick/circle jerk eachother around here

and @ juan , are you really surprised at my misanthropic leanings?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Krusha

fuck i forgot how incestuously you guys nitpick/circle jerk eachother around here

I thought that's what you loved about us. *cries*

PS: the word you're looking for is "incessantly." You're the only one with a brother on here.

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

they just discovered the virus this year, and the medication for it was invented within months... how could they possibly test it properly to make sure it's safe for the consumption of humans?

although it might be perfectly safe, it also might totally fuck people up. the fact is noone knows for sure what the long term effects of this experimental treatment are.

got this from last weeks copy of Mclean's. You might be familiar.

"Most people don’t have any adverse effects to influenza shots. “Flu vaccines, by and large, are generally pretty safe,” says Quinn. The WHO reports that when side effects do occur, they’re usually brief and mild: swelling or redness at the injection site, fever, headache, or sore muscles and joints. Basically, “we feel lousy for a day, or tender” where we got the shot, Quinn explains. That’s a sign the vaccine is jump-starting our body’s fight against the virus, she says: “That’s our immune system doing exactly what we want it to do.”


But she and other experts acknowledge that there are “infrequent” serious side effects. During the swine flu outbreak in the U.S. in 1976, there was an increased incidence of Guillain-Barré syndrome, which can cause paralysis, after some people were immunized, says Low. There is debate over whether that was directly caused by the shot. “There was never really any proven association with Guillain-Barré and the vaccine,” he points out, “but that hangs in the back of people’s minds.” What’s more, Low and Quinn insist that this virus is different and that the pandemic shot and our surveillance methods are more sophisticated. “We have more protection now than 40-plus years ago,” says Quinn."

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/19/s...#idc-container

Pretty good read. Something to think about, considering how fast this concoction of meds was created.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by Krusha

obv on my spaceship with xenu you heathen


fuck i forgot how incestuously you guys nitpick/circle jerk eachother around here

and @ juan , are you really surprised at my misanthropic leanings?

calm down georgey, you know I wasn't nitpicking. I'm awaiting the apocalypse just like the rest of us.