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Thank you yoko and Missbehavior. That is exactly the point I was trying to get across. They all made reasonable points, but the thing is I'm NOT making my own comic or using the drawing for commercial reasons or anything. I still don't see the big deal. I think its been blown WAY out of proportion.
And thanks again Yoko, I've been commented alot on my shadowing :) I just have to work on my darker values, i tend to do a real good job on shading but end up not making things that should be black, black :P J'nette, you're right. I plan on replacing the sword with a crazy gun after I get it back from my art teacher, i just didn't have time to do anything special on it. And yes, leslie can express her opinion, and so can I. That WAS my opinion, Stabby can be OVER opinionated at times and shove her two cents up peoples asses when its really not necessary. BUT she can go ahead doing it and I can go ahead stating my opinion as well. The fact she can state her opinion is something I also admire about her but there's some times where she just needs to learn how to shut up. And one of those times is right now, i dont think i've heard anything positive come out of her cyber mouth. She just gets to the point of being an internet bully alot of the times and thats pretty sad. Klaus, yes I would be angry if I worked hard on designing a peice of clothing and someone ripped me off and claimed it for their own by selling it or whatever. But thats on a much larger scale than a highschool art project. Just because I didnt mention where I got the pose from, in the first place, in a MESSAGE BOARD POST doesnt mean I am claiming this drawing to be 100% mine. I admitted where I got the pose etc. I am, also just using this drawing for an art class project and I told my teacher i got the pose and part of the outfit from another drawing she was completely fine with it and didn't understand the huge ruckus people were making. This is alot different than someone ripping off my design, and selling it or something along those lines and not once admitting where she/he got the design from. The drawing I did is also far from being an exact copy of the drawing. I can find millions of drawings that had the same pose in them. Missbehavior is right, even if it WAS an original idea someone outthere would have done it allready. The original peice was an inspiration to me, and something I could model my picture from considering i'm not the best at just miracuously drawing the human form from memory. Which I hopefully will be one day after practicing and training. And thanks Neil, but why am I crazy to draw something like that?? haha.
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Jan 29, 03
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 you copied it. plain and simple. your muscle structure, tone, and positioning are all the same. other than differences in scale, it's basicly the exact outline. if this is what you were going for and your art teacher is cool with it, more power to you, but don't try to belittle it. the only skill you added to this one was your ability to draw 'bettie' hair, and shade. nothing else. to say stealing ideas is okay because everyone does it is weak. you seemed content with saying you copied it, so just say that. don't make up justifications for something you might as well have traced right off the cover.
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I still don't see the big deal? next...
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I'd hate to burst your bubble, but it's not hard to draw and copy straight from observation...
You say that you gave credit for the artist, yet in another post you mentioned that you did not have the 'time' to get into such trivial details.... But of course, writing long, contradicting posts trying to 'defend' yourself isn't a complete waste of time right? Remember Mistress Bat Boy, and how someone took a picture of you and put Bat Boy's face over it? Yeah.. that's kinda like what you did with the Heavy Metal drawing.
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Jan 29, 03
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Jovi, this may shock you, but I am no MC. HOWEVER, I like to pretend I'm one when I'm in the shower screaming into the shampoo bottle. ;]
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Jan 29, 03
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in my personal experience, from sketching model faces as well as eyes from magazines, I find it quite difficult to make the face and my drawing look pretty similar.. (unless I use grids) or at least so that my version of the drawing doesn't look wonked out with disproportion.. It isn't that easy, but then again I'm not a hardcore artist so how would i know.. I find the human "body" to be something that's pretty hard to draw, while making it look proportioned. Just by changing the shadowing you can make an arm look like it's been run over or melted... keke
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Jan 29, 03
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i find that as long as im copying a drawing, i can do a pretty good job. as far as redrawing a photo, that actually takes some skill. i used to copy my gen13 and x1999 comics when i was in grade 7 and it was pretty easy, because the shapes are defined and you don't need to interpet anything. then again i was using those to figure out anatomy and mannerisms of art styles, and not to hand in to a teacher as my own work.
as far as 'drawing perfect from observation' being an artistic skill... if you can't redraw the basic shape of a drawing in front of you, then you shouldn't be in an art class. maybe highschool has become dumber since i was there, or maybe it's just the students. whatever. i guess those who can't, bite.
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Jan 29, 03
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Yoko, I see where you're coming from, but personally I find that drawing based off something infront of you is a lot less work than making up something in your mind. You are given the details and the final image based on a picture already presented to you.
It's one thing to use something to touch up your skills and techniques, it's another to, well... you've heard it all before. BLAH BLAH BLAH. It doesn't matter what I say because people will still believe what they want to believe. *Shrug*
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Jan 29, 03
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No, highshcool has become much smarter than that, I don't know what it was like in 'your days'.. but whether or not your can draw even the most basic shapes, art is free for any one to take. Unless it's an ap program where you need to get at least an 80% average. but it's not very hard to get that so long as you show up and turn in your assignments. I personally like that art classes don't seem discriminatory in any way. At least in my experience. The teachers are always open to a variety of styles, and are encouraging to even the people who are a little behind in technique or don't have the advantage of a steady hand. Which is where my perspective comes from too. Now if she went on about how she deserves so much credit and that she did so so much work and that she did not copy, then i'd be like wtf too. But it doesn't seem to me like she's denying the fact that she took a shortcut... Oh well, every one has their own background in art, and every one will have their own opinion. to posters: would love to see your artwork(s) as well. :145:
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Jan 29, 03
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^im assuming that there is, like there was in my school, two art streams. one for people who are 'serious' and one for people who would like to focus more on fun-creative things.
if you're taking a serious art course then i would assume you can basicly draw. maybe im way off base here, but roughly following a basic shape laid out for you is not particularily challenging, da vinci or not. by the time you're in Art 10/11/12 you should have a handle on basics. ANYWAYS.
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Yes, But I got pulled back in when people were finally making sense ie: Yoko* and Missbehavior. Not to mention klaus that actually stated his opinion without being sarcastic or snarky about it.
I also wouldn't be suprised if one of you pulled the "she's not replying because she knows she's wrong" card.
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Jan 29, 03
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this thread almost reminds me of the one about konrad speeding... minus all the name calling.
Just cause You don't think it's that big of a deal, doesn't mean it's not a big deal. sorta like how Konrad thought what he did wasn't a big deal, it doesn't mean it's not a big deal.
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Jan 30, 03
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jeez, not only are other people doing the majority of your art homework, but they're doing the majority of your arguing too.
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Jan 30, 03
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Klaus, I really don't think me forgeting to mention that I got a pose for my picture from someone elses drawing can even compare to someone street racing then bitching about minivans pulling out in front of him.
Werdy, no. I stated my point on things and since I think this is pointless I said I was done because there's no point going on with this. BUT when there were posts worth replying to, and not just ones that weren't against me, I decided to reply. But this time I'm really done because you are just dragging this on and on like everything else it seems.
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Similar to how konor thought he was right with his issue, yet all the people told him he was wrong. Now yours isn't as harsh or extreme as his, so that is why I think you have more supporters. But I think what you did was wrong, regardless of whether you gave credit to someone else or not. Some people dislike being imitated, others do not mind at all. Yet you did not know this before you drew your picture so I don't think it was right. This entire issue is kinda complicated, it's sorta like the right to speak or say what you'd like. Just cause you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
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Jan 30, 03
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WOWWWWWWWWWW...i love how ppl blow things out of portion. if any of you mouthy ppl have time... look through my stack of visual journals.. i incorporate a lot of different images to make my own. and heck i even draw some exactly the way i see it.. takes hand and eye coordination to draw things exactly. when i was learning how to draw faces.. i took pics from magazines and draw hundreds of faces til they looked alike. ALL artists use references and copies. some of my work i paint OVER pictures and transform magazine pics into a painting.. BY COPYING. sorry but there's no right and wrongs about art. let her do whatever she wants... art is art.. art is a form of thinking and skill development!! ARGHZ.. if what i said was already said.. sorry i didn't wanna read through the essays in this thread.
and stabby...rep the asians and bust out the rhymes please!
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Jan 30, 03
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^no ones saying you cant redraw/remix/whatever peices, especially in terms of sketchbooks, which i implicitly said i do myself. that's super.
but to draw the same image with a few minor details changed and say that you were 'inspired' or 'influenced' or whatever is weak in my books. and obviously other people's books as well.
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yeah, just cuz one person believes that what they are doing is right, doesn't make it right but conversely, it doesn't mean it's wrong either. ONe's truth is nothing but their perception and just because you perceive otherwise doesn't make your opinion right either... But your comparasion or the things that you find parallel to her situation are exactly what happens to every one. It's called oppsing views.... It's basically one person who believes that what they're doing is right, whereas every one has differing opinions about it. I don't see anything special about this situation in particular that's worth comparing. And the way I perceive it, the issue is nothing close to complicated. It's only complicated if you make i that way. To me it's as simple as, you don't take credit for what you didn't do, in other words don't boast about something you can't claim as your own. I was understanding where different people were coming from until they started saying things that contradicted their beliefs. So it's alright for you to be copying yet when some one else does it it's "weak". Sketchbook or school project, same thing different medium. christ! it's a highschool project! :145: Last edited by yoko*; Jan 30, 03 at 04:59 PM.
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