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goths...
my bf and i were just talkin aboutthis today and i wanna see wut u guys think of the whole thing..
goths... they all claim to be "individuals" and yet they dress like every other goth. just because they may be a minority group it doesnt mean theyre individuals. like, i dont think ppl even know a thing about being gothic, its not just the costume and makeup, theres a certain lifestyle and characteristic that actual goths live to. i find it funny when kids say "this is the true me, i'm being myself". but really, i dont think they understand wut it means to be goth. i dont think its something that u can just one day be like, ok i've changed. to me, they just choose to dress that way because they really cant find themselves or they dont think they "fit in" with other ppl so they decide to join that certain group of ppl, cuz with them, if u dress that way, you are accepted into their group. 
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Apr 23, 03
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good post, i agree with ya 110% :D
john 2899131
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lol free tanning... oh that's gold
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Nowadays, when I think about goth, I only picture black clothes and dark makeup because it's so wrongly used by a lot of people. They claim that's who they are, and that it's expressing their individuality when all they achieve is a different physical appearance.
But had it been a couple of years ago, I would've thought of goth as a lifestyle, art, and Medieval times. I guess I still do, but it's kind of hard to see it that way now that people dress as goths only to give off the impression that "they're so much different from us."
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Apr 23, 03
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So does a true individual go naked? Goths and punks and skaters and so on are different from the mainstream - and that to them is showing their individuality.
Everyone wears clothes, what clothes you wear are your choice. You choose what group you want to be visually associated with. Yes, goths buy inot their own culture, but that is one thats tands out from the rest - they are drawing attention to themselves - making a statement against the society that surrounds them - that they do not want be (or are not ready to be) a part of it I don't know why you think they dress like that because they don't fit in - don't fit in with who? They fit in with one another.That could be argued about anyone who isn't a part of the 'majority' - ravers are traditionlly a group of people who are different - many ravers are attracted to the so-called accepting rave culture because they didn't feel accepted in their high schools or communitites or whatever. MAny ravers were once goths or other alternative types. They are trying to find themselves and use clothing to try and do it. We all find ourselves in different ways Most goths won't be goths forever - it's the young being young. Its not the prettiest look I've ever seen - but neither is young girls with low cut tops and too much lipstick, or young suburban G-types Youth rebel - that's a part of the fun of being young! I am my parent's worst nightmare..it's what it is all about Jingles
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Apr 23, 03
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^^ so true..its so nice to hear that someone on here actually knows what they are talking about instead of just giving their own opinios
and alotta ppl like ta label ppl as goths when they arent..they just mite incorporate a bit of their style into their own personal style
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and what is your definition of a goth?
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Apr 23, 03
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i can tell the difference betowwen jsut a little style than full blown out only black and white makeup with crosses and spikes
i have seen a chick that looked so hot and she incorporated a bit of goth into her..
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Apr 23, 03
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i had a friend who dresseed like a goth and had sum makeup and all but his personality was so not it. he even said himself "i know, i'm a poser"
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Apr 23, 03
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^ I agree 100% with Jingles. very well said.
The original post made can apply to many different people in many different groups. It was also grossly generalized to make it sound like all 'goths" motives are the same. Sometimes that IS who the person is, at the moment. It usually doesn't last long, but we all go through phases. They may look alike eachother, and alot of the time people turn "goth" and go overboard. Woe is me, I want to die, i hate the world, etc etc. But this happens in all scenes. You have your super hoochie try hards, your tacky gangster wannabes, and so on. Maybe its the fact that alot of people who may dress or partake in the gothic lifestyle make sucha big point about being an individual, then end up looking similar to eachother, but it happens all the time in every group. You have to give some of them credit for having the balls it takes To be different, and even if they are going to look alike, at least they aren't a mainstream clone. Whose population is alot larger than those of an "alternative" once.
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just trying to make the point u cant say ur an individual wen u just go and copy the way sumone else dresses
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I agree, I don't think you should judge someone into a subculture untill you do know them. It's easy to place them into a subculture just by looks but thats not always accurate.
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Apr 23, 03
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i couldnt agree more with mistressspankme and klaus
and u bungoshlung u say that none of these ppl are individuals in the way they dress..well wat would and individual wear
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Apr 23, 03
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i dunno really.. make your own clothes??
i jsut find it very contradicting wen sumone claims to be an individual but then jsut copy others (not just clothes... make up, attitude, music they listen to, and so on...)
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Apr 23, 03
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well alotta "goths" make their own clothes and jewelry..and also its just the same with candy kids who claim ta be individuals..they make their own clothes to..but they are still just a group of a subculture..clothes dont make a person an individual its who the person is that makes them an individual
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Apr 23, 03
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^ nicely said!
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Apr 24, 03
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^^ Youve got really pretty eyes, just thought id share :)
Anyways, i think SOME goth chicks are really hot, not those big beefy ones, but DAMN.. some of em just mesmorize me, but then again, its like that from all different "groups" people always stand out...im ranting, ill stop...errr... :soak:
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Apr 24, 03
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i disagree with jingles in the fact that she says skaters aren't mainstream..what the fuck thyere are so many skaters, its like the cool thing to be, i remmember when i was a punk rock jock back in jr high we used to get called skids and people would pick fights, now every other kid i see is carrying a skateboard.
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Apr 24, 03
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the whole skater thing is a fad. its been quite the long one, but it is just a fad. pretty chicks wearing skate shoes.. HA! and dun it jsut look so good when ppl wear em with skirts?
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