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I feel that we all have different types of awareness from each other but before you throw my argument out so quickly… …Is it ok to cause suffering to another being that can feel pain born in or out of captivity? Is there justification in “level of awareness?” if that were the case is it then ok to torture people with mental disabilities or baby human grubs? I think many would feel that they have a higher level of awareness comparably. I am also human and I take on the roll of feeling sad and dismayed at advertisements that contribute to the pain of others. I’m sad to see suffering and pain even if it’s the mother of someone else. This is as valid of an emotion as anyone who is grieving for another and sees a similarity leading to outrage in an advertisement. People have asked for empathy for the girls parents since they feel that they may be tormented by this advertisement, and I’m asking for the exact same empathy. My friend, Humans are animals. I find that constantly giving into simple pleasures of taste limits who and what I really want to be. Taste is a signal to the brain giving a message, and is easy for others to take advantage of. I personally want to try to find as many ways as possible to be in control of who I am and not fall into the potholes of laboratory taste tests perfecting flavour response stimulus. I want more nutrients and less garbage and don’t want to be tricked into eating what’s bad for me.
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May 01, 04
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Actually you probably wouldn't digest me properly since it seems flesh generally sits in the intestines for extended periods of time sitting there to rot slowly away.
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May 05, 04
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Another thing thats interesting is that the ad seems to be holding both the Girl and the Pig in high respect since neither should be regarded as meat. I think that thought has more merit then the thought that it's ok to kill if you justify it enough.
Inlakesh - I Am Another Yourself
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May 06, 04
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peta is a fucking joke its an organization for rich people to join so the feel cool.
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May 06, 04
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am i the only one who didnt get the ad until after reading that ctv article?
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May 10, 04
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It is interesting since it is a pretty simple ad in itself. It doesn't in itself give any correlation to the pig farm but people start to assume. In my mind I saw it just as neither animals nor people animals should be food, it seems simple. Maybe the darkness isn't in the ad but people's minds. Suffering of any kind seems wrong to me so justification seems petty to my own personal inner critic.
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May 10, 04
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Yeah you know... ...I think you're right, I've just realized that I'm actually quite shocked and outraged that they would portray a poor pig that may represent one of the pigs that were slaughtered and fed to people. I have no actual relationship to the pig or can think of any association to the slaughtered pigs family, but it's an outrage! Never mind about the suffering! Think about the feelings of the poor families!!!
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May 10, 04
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pigs don't have families. by the time the pig was old enough to notice, it's mom and dad were slaughtered for bacon. it has no idea whos its brothers and sisters are.
the pig has lead a horrible life of suffering, killing it for food is the most positive way to resolve the situation. the pig gets sweet release from it's life of murder, killing and sadness. i get a bacon burger. cue the lion king music. i am happy to support this humane way of dealing with the pig depression problem. thank god for us being able to work this out for them.
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May 10, 04
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Ok so we'll kidnap mentally handicap children and babies without families and raise their offspring in cages. Do you want to go half/half the "cruelty free" stickers? Thanks for pointing that out by the way, I was being stupid and thought that cruelty was based on pain and suffering more then those holding the shortest pencil. Last edited by Knigel; May 10, 04 at 11:34 AM.
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May 10, 04
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Would you consider dolphins intelligent? or Gorillas like koko? how about dogs? what about elephants who save antelopes? http://www.iol.co.za/general/news/ne...8160168B251&sf or a Kangaroo saving a farmer? http://news.com.au/common/story_page...5E1702,00.html or pigs saving drowning boys? http://www.europeanvegetarian.org/in...86&L=0&type=98 From what I know Pigs are intelligent and have been placed fourth on the intelligence list (humans, primates, dolphins/whales, pigs). So is it just intelligence that defines what is cruel? Because I’m sure I may be higher on the scale of intelligence compared to some other humans. Does that make it ok to be cruel to them because I can? Last edited by Knigel; May 10, 04 at 01:34 PM.
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May 10, 04
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I always hear about pet-owners talking about how it angers them when they hear stories about cats or dogs being abused or maltreated, but yet, they have no problem whatsoever eating dead cows, pigs or chickens. I can't help but think, how is this any different from the suffering the animals that went through to put food on your plate? if anything, pigs, cows and chickens probably suffer a lot more than most abused or maltreated cats and dogs.
is it because they think cats and dogs are cuter? smarter? should that mean that ugly people should be allowed to be abused and killed for our pleasure and the cute and pretty ones be spared? --Joanne :P PS. KNIGEL, YOU'RE MY NEW HERO!
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May 10, 04
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i totally didnt get the add until i read the article, maybe i just have a postive mind.. i was thinking i was going to see blood or something. the girl looks like a healthy playboy playmate of the year, not an east van hooker.
personally, i think peta adds are just as redundant and hopeless in todays times as religious adds. people who can read and understand adds also know the choices of being vegitarian or being omniverous. - basically we all know our choices, we all make our own. personally i think billboards with information would be much more effective. post a couple of notes on how veal is obtained.... peta is on my list of things that make me angry, right up there with add busters. i agree with peta helping the animals in poor conditions, but (and maybe this is because i eat meat) i dont see how hundreds of years of a mammals eating habits should be changed because of a handful of the population feels its the right thing to do. im not trying to pick a fight with vegitarians, i just think we all have the right to choose. yes this add is in bad taste, but within the bad taste, they are getting attention, making people think, making people find out about peta and their cause. it is disgusting, but personally adds that objectify women are more offensive to me, and the adds in magazines that show amazingly beautiful women telling me to buy their product so i can look like them.... to sum it up - the add is in bad taste, but in bad taste it is effective. peta shouldnt be allowed to have advertisement discouraging meat-eaters, have adds encouraging healthy eating through vegitarianism. alot of advertising uses other peoples tragedies, look at the "war on terror" its one big terrible advertisment that used 9-11 as a starting point.
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May 10, 04
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"Everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, but freedom of thought is not the same thing as freedom of action. You are free to believe whatever you want as long as you don’t hurt others. You may believe that animals should be killed, that black people should be enslaved, or that women should be beaten, but you don’t always have the right to put your beliefs into practice. The very nature of reform movements is to tell others what to do—don’t use humans as slaves, don’t sexually harass women, etc.—and all movements initially encounter opposition from people who want to continue to take part in the criticized behavior" --Joanne :P
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May 10, 04
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^ so then basically your saying all people should be vegitarians?
no. and i really hope that no one takes away my freedom of choice when it comes to what i eat. i never said i didnt agree with vegitarianism, im just not one. so i dont want to be preached to about how terrible i am for eating a poor little cow. just like how i dont want to be preached to about how i will burn in hell if i dont pratice a certain religion, or howi wont get a job if i dont wear a certain style of clothing. im not going on about how people should enjoy eating meat, and im not trying to convince vegitarians that they are wrong. is it wrong when the wolf eats the bunny? same brand of crayon, just a different color.
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May 10, 04
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and eating meat is not in the same boat to them as wearing a certain style of clothing or practicing a certain religion (unless it's a type of religion where you harm others), because as the quote I posted said... you're not harming anyone! Quote:
--Joanne :P *edit* it should be mentioned.. although I am a vegetarian, I hope that people don't assume that I am automatically pro-PETA or hold the exact same views as them. I think at the very least there should be more people playing the devil's advocate because circular arguments like these are never fun without them. :) Last edited by Joanne; May 10, 04 at 05:11 PM.
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May 10, 04
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anywho, i go back to my orgional thought of how we have been eating meet for thousands of years. alot of the vegitarians i know take vitamen suppliments, or are extremely underwait. personally, i dont agree with taking suppliments in forms of pills. i can find the nutrients i need in what i eat. i feel a cold coming on, i dont grab for vitamen c pills, i eat plenty of fruit and have some more juice. i was slightly anemic for awhile in highschool, my doctor said take some iron pills, i asked if there was another way, and she gave me a diet plan instead, as it wasnt a very serious case. (and yes it involved meat but pleny of vegitables as well) i dont think that eating meat should be compared to a man beating his wife, its not the same AT ALL. and yah i do eat the cow to survive. although i do have the odd cookie here and there, i tend to eat a very healthy diet. i have been an athlete since i can remember, and before any big meet i'd have pasta, veggies and nice chicken breast. (it was the meal of success) i also have a tendancy to become hyperglacemic. the quickest way for me to stop an attack is to either eat a big spoonfull of peanut butter, or have some meat. i think its great if people can be vegitarians, be proud of it, and be healthy. but i dont think its great if people try to push their ideas onto me. and you can not compare eating meat to things such as slavery and a man beating his wife, that is unreasonable. in order to survive in a healthy way, we too need to kill to survive. like evryone else has been saying we wouldnt have been created with the teeth we have. also if we were meant to be herbavoirs we wouldnt need the big amounts of iron in out systems, nor the amount of protien. our bodies need meat. so it is the same box. its crayola infact.
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