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  #26 (permalink)  
Old Dec 13, 04
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Chemical & Natural pharmaceutical both have their own place and time. My only point was that news sources were sketchy, and that the author of the posted article looks a bit nut bar. His ego looks to have grown to the point where it is EATING ITSELF

CNN may not cover this, but you can bet your ASS the BBC would be all over it.
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Old Dec 14, 04
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Originally Posted by Electroflux
Man-made things are really bad.
Things from nature are really good.


In reality, it works both ways.

Totally.

It's not that man made drugs are bad, the powers that be just have things completely bass ackwards. If the government hadn't put MDMA on schedule 1 back in the 80s, by today it could been used to help tons and tons of people.

But instead of an intense 4 hour MDMA therapy session, we instead get amphetamine and SSRI prescriptions for a few months and MAYBE get over our problems..


Oh yah..
and apparently you cannot legally practice both modern and natural medecine either.
It's rather mind boggling.
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Old Dec 14, 04
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Originally Posted by thebobman
Chemical & Natural pharmaceutical both have their own place and time. My only point was that news sources were sketchy, and that the author of the posted article looks a bit nut bar. His ego looks to have grown to the point where it is EATING ITSELF

CNN may not cover this, but you can bet your ASS the BBC would be all over it.
I know what you mean, but I think what I was more trying to show is a other messed up programing that is a true probleme....I mean Im not saying that the Chemical & Natural pharmaceutical aren't both as good treatments but more how we use the industry and we tend to you use it more on chemical then Natural cause there is much more benefit for the government coming from chemical!!! And sometimes chemical are much more easy to fake then Natural!

Maybe should I use this posts
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Totally.

It's not that man made drugs are bad, the powers that be just have things completely bass ackwards. If the government hadn't put MDMA on schedule 1 back in the 80s, by today it could been used to help tons and tons of people.

But instead of an intense 4 hour MDMA therapy session, we instead get amphetamine and SSRI prescriptions for a few months and MAYBE get over our problems..


Oh yah..
and apparently you cannot legally practice both modern and natural medecine either.
It's rather mind boggling.
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Old Dec 15, 04
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Originally Posted by BongMan
how about any credible news agency CNN ABC NBC CBS


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ha.

yah.

Credible.
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Old Dec 15, 04
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well can you say that any of the stuff that he is posting is credible and using full facts.. If so why wouldnt the BBC or some other major carrier pick it up..
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Old Dec 15, 04
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That is not the point! The point is there is still programing using unusefully drugs on people, and make huge amount of money on peoples trusts...

Let me give you a other exemple on governmental programing on
''Woman Forcibly Drugged After Protesting Regulations of DMV''


A physician contacted by The Empire Journal who spoke on condition of anonymity said that “for any individual, especially one who has never been exposed to any these drugs to be given a toxic cocktail such as this is actually equivalent to attempted murder, in my opinion”.

‘We are operating in the same environment as occurred in Nazi Germany and China. Dissents are given psych diagnoses as a way to lock them up”, the physician said. “However, I predict, merely from knowing the side effects of these drugs and as listed in the Physician’s Desk Reference, that they are actually trying to kill this woman. The judge is also practicing medicine without a license by deciding that she should be involuntarily committed and drugged”..

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.theempirejournal.com/albany_woman_forcibly_injected_w.htm

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Old Dec 15, 04
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its all one sided doesnt say what she was doing what private property she was on and such.. Also doesnt get a perspective of the other side. This is why I dont beleive half the shit these people put up on websites. Thiere sources aren't exactly credible..
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Old Dec 15, 04
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Originally Posted by BongMan
its all one sided doesnt say what she was doing what private property she was on and such.. Also doesnt get a perspective of the other side. This is why I dont beleive half the shit these people put up on websites. Thiere sources aren't exactly credible..
Hard head aren't ya....You should learn to use your heart for once and stop giving the authorities every possible reason...

If you need more to ''not'' understand I could posts you thousands of stories and articles...And even some in Canada, yes...But obviously none of them are a part of any CNN ABC NBC CBS why? Cause I call this ''public'' system and government has power on ''public system'', do you realy think that the government would want to make bad publicity? Are you dumb enough to not understand that?

Would you like to be in there situations? I doubt that..So stop the fuck around, and start using your brains and reading those articles before posting other silly shit again!

Get a look at those links...'' And read them ''..And once again you will see..


massive drug company support for the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Forced drugging has become a nightmare for some of the women who are struggling to survive the "Child Protection" systems.(story of a mother struggling to survive the "Child Protection" systems under forcibly drugged treatment)
http://www.embassy.org.nz/overseas/drugged.htm

Can the mental health system cause paranoia? read more
http://www.asylumonline.net/archive/v13_n2_6-7.htm

Drug companies buy "influence" with U.S. presidential candidates
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/newscl99.htm

AIDS Experiments on Children in New York's Incarnation Center 'A Human Tragedy'
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...an_tragedy.htm

this article might be realy interesting for those who still doubt on the actual effect of forcibly drugged treatment on people!
http://www.mindfreedom.org/mindfreed...s/010319.shtml


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PSYCHIATRIC DRUG THREAT IS REAL

Dear eye,

Your "Free Silly" headline to reflect the plight of a woman fighting against forced drugging in Manitoba is extremely insulting and offensive to me, and probably to many other psychiatric survivors, including this courageous woman.

Why is it "silly" for a woman labelled schizophrenic to fight for the right to be free of psychiatric drugs? For your information, psychiatric drugs such as neuroleptics and antidepressants are frequently health-threatening and disabling. Doctors prescribing these neurotoxins routinely refuse to inform patients of their many serious risks and alternatives -- serious violations of the ethical and legal principle of informed consent.

For thousands of us psychiatric survivors in Ontario, the threat of being forcibly drugged in the community is very real and frightening. Approximately three years ago, Saskatchewan was the first province to legalize forced drugging in the form of a "community treatment order." This order, which many of us critics dub "the leash law," authorizes any doctor to compel any person to submit to psychiatric treatment -- usually drugs. If the person refuses, he or she can be locked up. More evidence of psychiatric fascism, and it's spreading across Ontario and all other provinces -- unless people like this woman resist.

Instead of ridiculing this woman's fight for her right to refuse forced treatment, eye should be praising her.

Don Weitz, Toronto


http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_0.../nottheed.html
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Old Dec 15, 04
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lazy and for the simple fact I havent heard of them before if this was true the Democratic leaning new groups woulod be all over this like a fat kid on cake..
WEll I can just conclude that people like you should stop the ''lazy going'' and start getting real and argueing on things that you know what we are talking about! Instead of counting on your TV station...(This is just junky eating learn to get your own info if you want to argue)
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Old Dec 15, 04
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I do fight for stuff that I believe in I am a very outspoken person. But to believe that the government would forcibly drug every woman Im sorrey but no.. For them to check for mental problems with people who have previous servere mental problems. Well it makes some sense its a little ghoulish but makes some sense..
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Old Dec 15, 04
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I do fight for stuff that I believe in I am a very outspoken person. But to believe that the government would forcibly drug every woman Im sorrey but no.. For them to check for mental problems with people who have previous servere mental problems. Well it makes some sense its a little ghoulish but makes some sense..
Where in the hell did you see that it was writen ''government would forcibly drugs every woman''In this holl thread?Did any of these articles was menchening every woman was druged?Or every person in the world was druged if this can get things straight the same way you get to say every woman? You'll have to give me a answer on that one, cause I don't know where you got that?

There is a difference between helping someone with mental illness and helping her/him to get a better order in her/his life, compared to druging her/him without even asking her/him? You seriously need to do a humanpsychology school if you can't stick that into your forhead...

If you can't understand all of this, well I have one advice, don't bother anyone of us that try to stop this kind of torture and get your self in the real world and stop the childreams....

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Old Dec 15, 04
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Bureaucrats in Chicago are currently discussing a proposal to require the mental health screening of all pregnant women and children up to the age of 18 years old.
right there the said news website is leaving out all the info.. All pregnant women up to the age of 18 years. When in reality it is for people with previous mental illnesses so that thiere kids arnt gonna be all skitzo and fucked like that..
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Old Dec 15, 04
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Originally Posted by BongMan
right there the said news website is leaving out all the info.. All pregnant women up to the age of 18 years. When in reality it is for people with previous mental illnesses so that thiere kids arnt gonna be all skitzo and fucked like that..
Okay let me get this clear,when it comes to public programing we tend to talk general just like every politic in the world when it comes to public programing, there is a difference between saying every pregnant woman -18 are gonna be druged, compared to using public programing for all pregnant woman -18 will be a other way to be druging woman Im sorry but thats not the way it works...

damn you really have no better argue then comparing ''every'' on ''all'' seriously...Im really starting to wonder if your not under the drug treatment....
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Old Dec 15, 04
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yes my mind is being controlled by the corperations want to make ya selfe another foil hat it will help block the radio waves.
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Old Dec 15, 04
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Also they wont be using the drug on every pregnant women under 18 just on the ones with previous severe mental illnesses
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Old Dec 15, 04
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Yes, and no...CAuse we can't proove that at 100%, it is hard to know after the treatment how the persons mental situation was before the treatment....

If you readed any of these articles that I posted you would know by the time...But obviously I was to patient to answer all your naive question instead of you reading those articles....And puting away your lazyness

I think it is a normal thing for everyone of us to go through hard periods in life its not a reason to be druging people, its becoming torture at the end and no wonder people become crazy...You really need to be really stronge to resiste a drug treatment...and you read on those articles that not every patient had a normal therapy...
But yes, there is some that had some therapy and was correctly prooven that they had mental illness, and its deeper then just a short period of there lifes...

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