Slipknot is scary!

[Senior]

Originally Posted by wum

If you have to be 19 to purchase porno, 21 to gamble, and 16 to drive, and other ages to indulge in 'mature' behavior, then there's plenty reason to put an age cap on a Slip Knot concert.

If her sister is having problems, then Slip Knot is probably not the answer. For those who say that it does no harm or doesn’t induce any specific thoughts, that’s like saying men only buy Penthouse and Hustler for the articles. Is it any coincidence that cutters usually have NIN’s “Hurt” playing in the background?

Open your eyes to the obvious people. :006:

Go Mr. libertarian!!!!

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

For the record, I've never been in a mosh pit, never headbanged. I think that's retarded. I haven't dressed even CLOSE to goth since I was 15. That's 9 years ago, just for your information.

Any parent that would let their kid (at age 14) go to a concert they didn't approve of has no reason to bitch and moan when their kid goes. My parents didn't let me, which might account for why I'm not a moron. Any parent that lets their kid hang out with people they don't approve of has no right to bitch and complain when shit happens. PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. I know those are big words, but TRY to understand them. :)

In my opinion, you might as well drop this fight. You're only going to lose anyway. The only person that agrees with you is that right-wing meathead wum, and we've pretty much already ascertained that he's an idiot.

Wow you sure sound all big and mighty, but there is something that you may not understand about some children, they don't always listen to their parents???

[Senior]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

The only person that agrees with you is that right-wing meathead wum, and we've pretty much already ascertained that he's an idiot.

The thing I find funny is that he claims to be a libertarian but is still siding with Lori on this. Just a little out of character if you ask me...

[Senior]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Wow you sure sound all big and mighty, but there is something that you may not understand about some children, they don't always listen to their parents???

No one said that being a parent is easy.

[wum]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Oh man...The more you post, the dumber you look.

If her sister has problems, it's up to the PARENTS to get her therapy. Same with the cutters. Those people have problems that need to be addressed, and it's fucking ignorant to blame the music for the issues.

But we already know you're ignorant. :)

Part of the bogus argument people are putting out is that listening to Slip Knot has no adverse effect whatsoever. That they may carve words into their skin, dress in all black, and wear fangs, but it's nothing mom :)

Her parents wouldn’t be doing such a great job of managing her depression if they didn’t remove the harmful influences don’t you think?

How effective would it be to give your kid the key to the liquor cabinet and then have a “heart to heart” later on about kicking their alcoholism?

You’re saying it’s up to the parents, but they shouldn’t do anything about the music she listens to?

That’s all I’m saying.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

To my recollection, anyone under the age of 18 is subject to their parents' wishes, because they aren't adults. It's up to the parents to keep control of what their kids are doing. You say your sister is only 14? Well why TF, if it's such an issue, did they let her buy a ticket? And if this guy is such a bastard, why do they let her see him? If he's so much older, they have the right to charge him with statutory rape, too.

Seriously, give your head a shake. It's not the music that fucks kids up. They already have underlying problems that OBVIOUSLY aren't being adressed as they should be.

And, just for the record, my first serious boyfriend "fucked" me and "gave me the music" of heavy metal. I didn't become a "suicidal, world hating goth freak" because of it.

But sometimes lashing out at a young person like that only pushes them further away. I'm a firm believer in parents being good friends with their kids. I've seen it work in many people.

[lou_belle]

For a person that has a signature that says Love me for I am flawed beyond reason it's only understandable that you listen to this kind of music and would stand up for the rights of 13 year old children that want to listen to it too.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Senior

The thing I find funny is that he claims to be a libertarian but is still siding with Lori on this. Just a little out of character if you ask me...

I'm more about economic liberatarianism (exluding usury). but there still must be certain inviolable laws. what do you think about a sexual relationship between an adult and a child? Are you really prepared to defend that kind of "freedom"?

[MissBehavior]

Yes they SHOULD do something about the music she listens to. Stop with the selective reading. What I AM saying is that it's irresponsible and ignorant to blame the PROBLEMS that she obviously HAS on the music itself.

It's the same thing that happened with Columbine and how they blamed Manson because Eric and Dylan listened to him.

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen to what they have to say and that's what no one did.

No one wants to listen to kids these days unless it's happy. They close their ears and pretend it isn't happening. If parent's took more time to get involved in their kids' lives, you wouldn't have the cutters, the suicides, and the overall APATHY that so many teens have today.

[about accusations that he was responsible for Columbine killings]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I definitely can see why they would pick me. Because I think it's easy to throw me face on the TV, because in the end, I'm a poster boy for fear. Because I represent what everyone is afraid of, because I say and do whatever I want.

It's the same with SlipKnot. It's easy to blame them for why someone is fucked up, but in the end, it's all about their home life.

[decypher]

Wum is completely off his rocker along with the RIAA.

Music is how you manifest it.

It is the people around them and the actions and events surrounding, that shape the actions of adolescents. Not the music. The music is simply a portal for them to escape. It is the core problems with society and the degradation of the family that is causeing such dispair ridden music. Other kids with similiar problems relate to that kind of music. They soon grow out of it or direct that creativity towards something more positive. If they don't and they feel it was necessary to take their own lives or lead to drugs, it is the responsibility of the parents and the people around that person to have done something. By this i mean, noticing the person was crying for attention and as a teenager its pretty much impossible not to notice that something is up and to give support. It is this constant rejection that really corners someone. With the go go capitalist world we live in it's easy for parents to completely forget they have kids.

[MistressSpankME]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I hate the fact that my sister is a slipkont fan, all this music does is depress people when they listen to it all day everyday! She is 14 and doesn't go to school! I honestly believe that Slipknot plays a role in her aspect of the world:( And now they are having an all ages show? Why on earth would you want your 14 year old daughter at one of these shows. They should be 18+ so that they can't propagate the hatred to flowering sensitive minds *sob

Your sister probably would have the same "outlook" on life and the world whether she listened to SlipKnot or not. Their music probably is something she feels she can identify too. And trust me, whether they are "scary" or not alot of the times that is a good thing if you feel you have nothing or no one else to identify with.

Especially when she has a twat for a sister like you. Do her a favour and don't cause her to alienate herself from you because you blame her choice of music for the things she does wrong in life. If you really cared, and weren't a judgemental shitfuck you would try to dig a little deeper for her.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Yes they SHOULD do something about the music she listens to. Stop with the selective reading. What I AM saying is that it's irresponsible and ignorant to blame the PROBLEMS that she obviously HAS on the music itself.

It's the same thing that happened with Columbine and how they blamed Manson because Eric and Dylan listened to him.


No one wants to listen to kids these days unless it's happy. They close their ears and pretend it isn't happening. If parent's took more time to get involved in their kids' lives, you wouldn't have the cutters, the suicides, and the overall APATHY that so many teens have today.

[about accusations that he was responsible for Columbine killings]


It's the same with SlipKnot. It's easy to blame them for why someone is fucked up, but in the end, it's all about their home life.

Maybe you....don't understand that all ages shows shouldn't contain suicidal messages and depressing hateful lyrics that can have this effect on people. My sisters homelife is hunkydory, it is all in her head, and the only connection to this type of influence is the music.

SLIPKNOT....a knot used for hanging yourself.

[IntakE]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I hate the fact that my sister is a slipkont fan, all this music does is depress people when they listen to it all day everyday! She is 14 and doesn't go to school! I honestly believe that Slipknot plays a role in her aspect of the world:( And now they are having an all ages show? Why on earth would you want your 14 year old daughter at one of these shows. They should be 18+ so that they can't propagate the hatred to flowering sensitive minds *sob

they scare me:(

[MistressSpankME]

Originally Posted by Ashes

dude, tell her this, and this only, (right before taking her out to a party)

RAVE TO THE GRAVE BITCH.

then go rave, and make sure she has fun, she'll prolly be less stoked on slipknot and more on ravin then. :D

Yeah THAT will solve all her problems. Bring a 14 year old slipknot fan to a rave and all her hate for the world will dissapear!

Personally I'd allow my 14 yr old to attend a slipknot concert way before a druggie-filled, all night rave. Even if it meant not sparing her from THE DEVILS MUSIC and turning into a "moshing world hating goth freak"!(*#^@#@

[wum]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Yes they SHOULD do something about the music she listens to. Stop with the selective reading. What I AM saying is that it's irresponsible and ignorant to blame the PROBLEMS that she obviously HAS on the music itself.

Well the music can be certainly a factor. Again, before someone makes a mountain of a mole hill and thinks that I'm advocating we launch a class action lawsuit and arrest all these people, i'm not.

My argument is really simple, and there's no reason to be frothing at the mouth as if i told you to fuck yourself. If there's a harmful influence, you should remove it. that's what a parent should do. Certain types of music fall under that category.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by MistressSpankME

Your sister probably would have the same "outlook" on life and the world whether she listened to SlipKnot or not. Their music probably is something she feels she can identify too. And trust me, whether they are "scary" or not alot of the times that is a good thing if you feel you have nothing or no one else to identify with.

Especially when she has a twat for a sister like you. Do her a favour and don't cause her to alienate herself from you because you blame her choice of music for the things she does wrong in life. If you really cared, and weren't a judgemental shitfuck you would try to dig a little deeper for her.

Why do you writ like you think you know me? From that statement, all I can really say is if you knew me, you wouldn't be saying that shit at all. She doesn't feel a connection, she is trying to be cool like her first boyfriend, and in the midst of trying to be cool has followed a path that only makes her feel worse.
I am her best friend and she talks to me about everything...but believing every word she says to be her true thoughts is impossible when she only has the influence of this one genre of music. I love her and think that she has a creative outflow that is in need of more stimulating and uplifting music.
I will be there for her when she comes around, but I won't say that Slipknot is #1 on my list for all age shows. Sure it's fun but hey, who are you kidding? I'd rather be told in my music about how stars come out and days get brighter, rather than death before life.
If I was going through troublesome times I sure wouldn't appreciate a SLIPKNOT CD being given to me

[Liqwid]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

For a person that has a signature that says Love me for I am flawed beyond reason it's only understandable that you listen to this kind of music and would stand up for the rights of 13 year old children that want to listen to it too.

hahahaha

i love you!!!!!!

~dalyn

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by MistressSpankME

Yeah THAT will solve all her problems. Bring a 14 year old slipknot fan to a rave and all her hate for the world will dissapear!

Personally I'd allow my 14 yr old to attend a slipknot concert way before a druggie-filled, all night rave. Even if it meant not sparing her from THE DEVILS MUSIC and turning into a "moshing world hating goth freak"!(*#^@#@

I found raves to be an excellent way of connecting with real life people who just want to be happy:)

Not cokeheads that like hitting themselves in the head repeatedly and breaking windows with their fists:P

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Maybe you....don't understand that all ages shows shouldn't contain suicidal messages and depressing hateful lyrics that can have this effect on people. My sisters homelife is hunkydory, it is all in her head, and the only connection to this type of influence is the music.

I call bullshit. If everything is hunkydory in her life, she wouldn't be depressed in the first place...The only reason that I ever listened to depressing music when I was that age (hell, same as now) was because there was already a problem. Maybe you should open your eyes and ears and TALK to her about what's going on in her life. Maybe she feels alone. Send her to a doctor (psych and medical). There's more to depression than what's up in her life as well. Maybe she has a chemical imbalance in her brain. Maybe she needs anti-depressants.

Again, she's 14. NOT AN ADULT. Your parents have every right to say "you're not going" and lock her in her room.

I personally think you're far more hateful than any song lyrics.

SLIPKNOT....a knot used for hanging yourself.

Um, no. I believe that's a noose.
slip·knot Pronunciation: (slpnt)
n. In both senses also called running knot.
1. A knot made with a loop so that it slips easily along the rope or cord around which it is tied.
2. A knot made so that it can readily be untied by pulling one free end.

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I found raves to be an excellent way of connecting with real life people who just want to be happy:)

Not cokeheads that like hitting themselves in the head repeatedly and breaking windows with their fists:P

I've met more cokeheads in the rave scene than anywhere else in my life.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Um, no. I believe that's a noose.
slip·knot Pronunciation: (slpnt)
n. In both senses also called running knot.
1. A knot made with a loop so that it slips easily along the rope or cord around which it is tied.
2. A knot made so that it can readily be untied by pulling one free end.

A noose is a slipknot retard.

And there's a reason Bill Nye The Science Guy hasn't done a show on slipknots....it sends a bad message.

[MistressSpankME]

^ go Lisa. You just said every single word that I was about to respond with.

Just because you think her life is just fine doesn't mean it is. I personally was very depressed at her age, untill I was quite older. I have a great family life, but there are many other factors in a persons head and life that would cause them to become depressed, and music isn't often one of them. It may become the soundtrack of their life but I doubt many "perfect happy bouncy bunny star loving" become depressed and troubled because they've been introduced to the likes of Slipknot. Ther are things going on in her head and possibly in her life to cause this outlook, listening to angry music might not help it but I HIGHLY doubt it caused it.

[sungoo]

I agree, your sister should be going to brittany spears and christina aguilera concerts where she can learn to be a whore.

so many things to say...
first, being right and doing the right thing are two completly different things.
second, you're not in a win - win situation. The teenage years are usually the most fucked up, regardless of what you do. So your sister will do whatever she wants to, especially if your keep confronting her. Maybe you should try figuring out why she listens to them before your so fast to pass judgement on her music tastes.
AAAAANNNDDD seriously, like being a raver is SOOO much better.
Same shit, different pile.

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

A noose is a slipknot retard.

And there's a reason Bill Nye The Science Guy hasn't done a show on slipknots....it sends a bad message.

You're a fucking cunt, and I pity your sister for being related you.

I wash my hands of this thread because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

In closing, do us all (and your sister) a favor by playing in traffic.

[lou_belle]

yeah....my thoughts on this subject won't be reversed by a chick that calls me a cunt:) and thinks that a noose has a different meaning than slipknot.