EVolution or GOD????

[Ray!]

Both!

[lithe]

it's pretty hard to argue evolution - genes mutate, and organisms either flourish or perish based on intrinsic as well as environmental changes. survival of the fittest. organisms adapt to their environments. a more interesting debate is whether we have stunted the natural progression of evolution by technological advances in healthcare, that enable the sickly and the moronic to survive and proliferate. darwinism hardly exists in contemporary human society, so some have said that devolution has started to occur. conversely, with the aforementionned technological advances we are increasingly able to genetically engineer our future selves, bringing the concept of 'evolution' to a new level.

"God" needs to be qualified - are we referring to the Christian God, or something else? A deity-figure or a theoretical construct of morals and lifestyle? for those interested, "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong is a fascinating account of the changing ideas re: "god".

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Oh please, the bible of all holy books must have an oddmud exemption somewhere in it? ;)

WTF?!

[wum]

good thing someone revived this thread

Originally Posted by automatic

my favourite...anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Exodus 35:2). This law was to protect the sanctity of Sunday afternoon football. Unfortunately, any player that touched the ball would have to be killed after the game, because he had touched a dead pig. (Leviticus 11:7,8) That would certainly make it easier to play defense.

I believe these were Old Testament laws. The same reason Christians are not expected to sacrifice animals nowadays is because Jesus was crucified to absolve all of that.

Anyway, just another stab at evolution. If we are to take the evolutionists' paradigm of history saying that humanity is 4,000,000 years old, and there were 250,000,000 people on earth two-thousand years ago, why are there only 6 billion today (Industrial Revolution notwithstanding)?

Do the math, it doesn't work out. In fact, to make the assumption would bring the population numbers into the trillions given the normal rate of growth.

[Rytalin]

Originally Posted by wum

Anyway, just another stab at evolution. If we are to take the evolutionists' paradigm of history saying that humanity is 4,000,000 years old, and there were 250,000,000 people on earth two-thousand years ago, why are there only 6 billion today (Industrial Revolution notwithstanding)?

Do the math, it doesn't work out. In fact, to make the assumption would bring the population numbers into the trillions given the normal rate of growth.

don't you remember what just happened last month?

I imagine humanity has been wiped off the face of the earth quite a few times over the years. A few of the strongest survive, rebuild, and eventually get wiped out again.

[drugmagician]

"i refuse to prove i exist" says god, "for proof denies faith, and without faith i am nothing." as he disappears into a puff of logic.


i believe..that religion is something humans created to give themselves hope...hope to keep going and something undetermined to look forward to...i have yet to have a conversation with a religious person where i come out of it with SOME form of tangible truth or proof. why? because they got NOTHIN'!!!! they'll go so far from the point so it seems like they know what they are talking about....but shit, theres so many holes in that fuckin book they worship [the bible] theres no possible way anybody in their right mind should follow that load of bullshit
fuck blind faith and all the useless fucks who use it.

SAYS ME.

hahahahaha

[Rytalin]

^ I heart Hitchhiker's guide.


beware the zebra crossing

[drugmagician]

douglas adams is a genius!!!! a raging alcoholic...AND still a genius

:D

[*K*i*t*t*e*n*]

I believe in a bit of both, I do believe in god cuz look at what religion has done for the people of the world, the times that it has helped people through and stuff if HE wasnt real then where would then how did it all start. on the other hand we were looking at fetuses in biology and when they are still embryos if you look at them they look like fish with gill slits and stuff our teacher pointed it out and if you think about it lots of our existence has to do with the water, why we are sad when its raining. how womens cycles are 28 days like a tide cycle its all connected so i do believe in evolution.

[Sniper]

in the case of creation vs evolution I believe in both.......you must have creation to have evolution.........I don't believe it had to have been an all powerfull god (mostly because I think alot of religion and stuff to do with it is a bunch of bull) that did the creating but we had to have been created in the very beginning by something

[Rytalin]

[quote=*K*i*t*t*e*n*] if HE wasnt real then where would then how did it all start.QUOTE]

Why the emphasis on HE?

giving god a gender kind of takes away from the idea of god being everything.... it makes me think that christianity is worshipping a false god actually.

[*K*i*t*t*e*n*]

[quote=Rytalin]

Originally Posted by *K*i*t*t*e*n*

if HE wasnt real then where would then how did it all start.QUOTE]

Why the emphasis on HE?

giving god a gender kind of takes away from the idea of god being everything.... it makes me think that christianity is worshipping a false god actually.

I guess I didnt think of it that way, yeah i agree it cuold be HE or SHE but my mom has always talked about "Him" or "He" so thats just how I refer to him (or her) as well...

[lithe]

ancient israel was a male-centred society. men tilled the fields, women produced the next generation of men to till the fields. a god arising from this context would, obviously, take on a masculine persona. god is, first and foremost, the protector and the sustainer. these things would have been considered masculine. besides, men wrote the bible, and they would never have conceived of a female deity.

[wum]

Originally Posted by lithe

ancient israel was a male-centred society. men tilled the fields, women produced the next generation of men to till the fields. a god arising from this context would, obviously, take on a masculine persona. god is, first and foremost, the protector and the sustainer. these things would have been considered masculine. besides, men wrote the bible, and they would never have conceived of a female deity.

did they teach you all that in How-to-otherthrow-Western-civilization 101? :)

[lithe]

ancient mesopotamian myth acctuuaalllyyyyyyy. religion 202.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by wum

did they teach you all that in How-to-otherthrow-Western-civilization 101? :)

I took that one... but I cannot release the details as it might jepoardize my Operation...