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Old Jan 24, 05
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What does abortion solve? Absolutely nothing.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure. Been there have you?
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Old Jan 24, 05
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^exactly.

i really don't think people can say much on a subject as personal as this one, until you have been in the situation yourself.
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Old Jan 24, 05
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuure. Been there have you?
actualy I cant speak for her, but she (an ex gf) had aborted our child a few years back. She wasn't confident enough to have the baby. She wanted to become an actress, and she didnt want to give up clubbing and drinking, and smoking and all that stuff. I assured her that I would give up a lot of things for the baby, even friends and even the relationship w/ my family for the sake of the babies life. In turn she aborted the child, and I havent been able to forgive her since.

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I can understand that theres a lot of physical pain involed with abortion, although I will never experience like that for myself. I still find the idea inhumane.
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Old Jan 24, 05
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Human fetus @ 24 days.
Tomorrow the brain will start to form
but there won't be mesuarble brain waves until 6 weeks.

If she's giving the kid up for adoption, I applaud it. It's doubtful she can give the child the life available by adoptive parents. If she's having an aborition, legally that's her decision to make.

I don't approve of the fact that a child has been conceived that wasn't planned. All that that leaves is options that are ugly.

In a world where there are hundreds of forms of contraception, what went wrong?
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Old Jan 24, 05
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he didin't pull out.
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Old Jan 24, 05
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I can't even begin to imagine how hard that choice must be. I hope to god I never find out.
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Old Jan 24, 05
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i cant imagine having to be faced with this decision, but my best friend was...and she went the same way you did, shes ok and im sure you will be too. its always hard when you know you cant follow your heart, when you so desperately want to.


when you're ready to have a child, you'll know it, and you'll love it so much.
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Old Jan 24, 05
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I wish I could say something else encouraging that hasn't been mentioned. Your writing was heartfelt and moving, and I hope that somehow you get some inner peace about this situation. I can't imagine being in your shoes.

Best of luck.

(And to all the haters: whether or not you agree with abortion is not the question here. Please don't force your morality on others; be tolerant.)
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Old Jan 24, 05
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I can understand that theres a lot of physical pain involed with abortion, although I will never experience like that for myself. I still find the idea inhumane.

i find the idea of bringing a child into this world when im not financially able to inhumane. I give props to all women who had thier children and raised them on welfare,but personally thats not for me.

It takes a strong woman to have a child,but it takes an even stronger one to kill off her own seed and deal with the back lashes and reprocussions.

I give u props carlos for wanting to step up to the plate and be a man,i wish all men thought like that but they dont.

I am not giving it up for adoption, I couldnt carry a child in my womb for 9 and some odd months then give it away to someone else.

You might not applaud abortion,and hell neither do i. I come from a pro life family,i used to march in pro life parades for fuck sakes, but unless and until you are able to carry a child in your womb which you dont have cuz youre a dude,please dont hand me this pro-life propaganda on where the babys at in each trimester. Im already well aware of that,so please dont feed into and off of my torment.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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before anybody gets their knickers in a knot about this, how about we all agree on just one point:

Abortion is an ugly solution to an ugly problem

I've seen both sides of this, not at all involving me, but I've see women who would die without an abortion, women whose lives would be ruined without one... But I've also see women who abuse the system, who have no regard for what they're doing, who are stupid and use abortion as a safety net to a problem that was easily avoidable.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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Wrong. Abortion is a solution to a problem. "Ugly" starts placing moral values on things.

Tolerance, sir. Tolerance.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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Or it could be raised in an unstable home with no father and no money. You don't know what is going on at home. It could be anything.

You have to put your children FIRST and if she isn't ready mentally or financialy then it isn't fair to bring a child into that kind of life. I see this as a selfless act. I see this as putting her child ahead of whatever feelings she will face.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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Wrong. Abortion is a solution to a problem. "Ugly" starts placing moral values on things.

Tolerance, sir. Tolerance.
I half agree with what he said though...It's a solution to an ugly problem if it is a choice for you.

It's not an UGLY problem if you're in a place to give a child a good life or you're able to give it up for adoption (which is FAR easier said than done. It IS an UGLY problem if you're not.

To quote Everlast "God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes/'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose".

Unless you've been there, STFU and GTFO.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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I can understand that theres a lot of physical pain involed with abortion, although I will never experience like that for myself. I still find the idea inhumane.

did you know abortion is a lot safer than childbirth?
about three times safer...particularily if it is done within the first trimester....
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Old Jan 25, 05
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sorry this is Lisa.... i don't know how i am in val's account..sorry...
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Old Jan 25, 05
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I can understand that theres a lot of physical pain involed with abortion, although I will never experience like that for myself. I still find the idea inhumane.
I think I'd be a little more worried about the emotionall pain.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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There's definetely a lot of emotional pain that can come from abortion. A womans decision to abort a child can affect the families that are involved on all sides. It's a sad and strange feeling, like attending a funeral for a person you've never met, yet had all this profound love for them that you couldn't share.

This topic makes me sad.

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I didn't think guys felt like that.
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Old Jan 25, 05
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woops i accedently deleted this post editing it.

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If it came down to it (which prolly never will). I would assume responsibilities for my actions (ie. raising a child and giving it my name). I'm in no way a pro-life activist although I'm really offended people will go to such measures for their own persevierence. What does abortion solve? Absolutely nothing.
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Old Jan 26, 05
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The world isn't a pretty place with perfect houses and perfect lives. We all do the best we can with what we have. My daughter turned 6 this year and I do everything I can to see her whenever I can. I had to leave her behind to come here and it was the hardest thing I ever did.

Doing the right thing in a situation, even though it kills you inside is the hardest thing that anyone ever has to do in their lives. I know that I am a faceless person to you, but I applaud and bow to the strength of character that you are showing by making your decision and having the courage to stand up for it.
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Old Jan 26, 05
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^thank you:)

Im at peace with my decision now.
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Old Jan 30, 05
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Amen....
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Old Jan 30, 05
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Hmmm..makes you think more about using contraceptives and birth control, or just abstinence from sex period.
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