Religion!!!

[lithe]

science is the religion of the post-modern liberal.

people generally subscribe to the scientific paradigm of the time as unquestioningly as others accept their 'faith'.

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EDIT: nevermind

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by lithe

science is the religion of the post-modern liberal.

people generally subscribe to the scientific paradigm of the time as unquestioningly as others accept their 'faith'.

what the fuck are you talking about? :070: hahahaha

[Moon]

Originally Posted by lithe

science is the religion of the post-modern liberal.

people generally subscribe to the scientific paradigm of the time as unquestioningly as others accept their 'faith'.

yeah i agree

there are just as many idiots who put total faith in science who obviously haven't really dug into what really is known about the world. i think religion is a good thing to have for guidance and direction to some sort of ideal. just like how scientists constantly question theories, religious people always question their religions.. and somehow arn't convinced that our existance is merely scientific.

[wum]

Originally Posted by lithe

science is the religion of the post-modern liberal.

people generally subscribe to the scientific paradigm of the time as unquestioningly as others accept their 'faith'.

this would have a much bigger effect on society than most people would think. Namely, if you're an evolutionist, you can't help but be a Socialist, and with that you can explain away human nature as a pathology and diagnose the world as sick. this is what social engineers do :)

[Sniper]

I think that if the person is so religious and trys to push some one into a religion than they are inturn disobeying what ever god they may worship........this is because they are trying to take away our god given free will to choose

[interloper]

Originally Posted by bananasinpjs

seeing as I have yet to hear a good argument for why all religions are bad, my answer would have to be yes.

--Joanne :P

How about this for religion. Almost every war fought was due to a conflict of religion. Think about the millions of millions of people who died for their religion. I have to agree that religion has created many beautiful things but it has killed far too many men. It's funny when religious figures advocate war yet war is the one place that there is no presence of a so called "omniscient diety". All religion does is stir up conflict, it is useless except for manslaughter. Religion is like a vistigual organ, we have no need for it when we use our brain.

-Preet

[interloper]

Originally Posted by lithe

i think religion can be a beautiful thing. people with strong beliefs in a higher being seem to have more peace than their atheistic counterparts, except where the latter have replaced god with a more modern reverential figure.

however, religion can, obviously, also be divisive.

it's narrow-minded and naive to make a blank judgment as to religion's inherent 'good'ness or 'bad'ness, considering the spectrum of what it can represent.

Bullshit, want to enlighten me with the sources of your conclusions? Where did you learn this tautology from? Home school? There is no evidence that people who believe in a god are more peaceful than those who do not. I dont believe in a god, Hitler was a Christian (to quote a book on hitler and stalin, parallel lives "hilter was intoxicated with the presence of the church"). Stalin was religious, he also killed over 20 million of his own people. There.

-Preet

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Sniper

I think that if the person is so religious and trys to push some one into a religion than they are inturn disobeying what ever god they may worship........this is because they are trying to take away our god given free will to choose

AGREED! that is why we have brains to figure out what WE, as individuals, should believe and tell the rest to fuck off or accept change.

[yoko*]

Religion is just another paradigm, just another way of seeing and explaining the world around you. Everyone, whether religious or NOT, have ways of explaining the world aorund them and are likely (and more likely as they grow older) to believe that they themselves or their own explanations are right.. so "narrow-mindedness" is not exclusive to those who are religious. Many of us possess beliefs about the way the world works and find it difficult to accept other views which challenge our own.

[Clayton.]

I'm not a religious person, i don't not believe i guess you can say i'm undecided but i don't wanna get into that.


I still where a saint christopher medal though.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Ever666

I'm not a religious person, i don't not believe i guess you can say i'm undecided but i don't wanna get into that.


I still where a saint christopher medal though.

just smile...jesus loves you :) hehe

[lithe]

Originally Posted by wum

this would have a much bigger effect on society than most people would think. Namely, if you're an evolutionist, you can't help but be a Socialist, and with that you can explain away human nature as a pathology and diagnose the world as sick. this is what social engineers do :)

this will be my 'wtf' response.

how is the belief in evolution conducive to socialism? perhaps i'm misreading what you mean by 'socialism', i'm stuck with the marxist-leninist definition. though it is fun to describe human nature as a pathalogy, do you mean that it's deviant [and, if so, from what?], or that it's the manifestations of a disease [and, if so, what disease? original sin? ;)]

[Bitchin]

Me and REALLY religious people dont get along.

They always seem to fuck up my life and shit. You dont even wanna know.

Damn God Ladys.

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by lithe

science is the religion of the post-modern liberal.

Umm I have my doubts. One of the main thrusts of the postmodern movement has been to destabilize the epistomological foundations of science. Leading thinkers under the banner of postmodernism, particularly Latour and Feyerabend, have shown ways in which science is situated (western), value-based, relative and mis-interepereted. We'd be hard-pressed to say postmodernists, particularly liberals, think of science as religion (or something to rely on).

We need to remember that science is not THE way of knowing, it is A way of knowing.

Originally Posted by interloper

Almost every war fought was due to a conflict of religion. Think about the millions of millions of people who died for their religion.

You have neatly categorized people into religion, but religion is not the leading cause of war. The fact of the matter is, WW2 was not about religion; it was about ideology. So was Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and most recently Iraq. Cultural difference, imperialistic interests, intolerance has been the cause of serious grief too; which covers most of the other wars I can think of....
Even in Ireland, where everyone talks about Catholic/Protestant battles - arguably that's more about independance and dignity, more about English blood and Irish blood than it is about religion.
Your anti-religion sharade in this thread is weak and ill-thought out. You sound like a teenage child rebelling against your parents. Moreover, you're giving us atheists a bad name.

[lithe]

Originally Posted by interloper

Bullshit, want to enlighten me with the sources of your conclusions? Where did you learn this tautology from? Home school? There is no evidence that people who believe in a god are more peaceful than those who do not. I dont believe in a god, Hitler was a Christian (to quote a book on hitler and stalin, parallel lives "hilter was intoxicated with the presence of the church"). Stalin was religious, he also killed over 20 million of his own people. There.

-Preet

when i said "have more peace" i didn't mean to imply that religious people are more peaceful in regards to violence or war, but that they posess more 'inner peace'. believing in a higher power leads to believing in a higher purpose, a plan, and meaning to life. you can explain away catastrophe in the world and in your own life by ascribing it to god, whichever your god may be, and that makes it easier to cope with. war has been waged countless times in the name of god, much more explicitly than with your examples of stalin and hitler, but these wars tended to be believed in by their executors. whatever external manifestations religious fervour may have, a belief in god tends to placate individuals by making them believe that there is something 'else' out there - that gives meaning and purpose to their lives, and that governs them. one of the most beautiful things i've ever been privy to has been a group finding solace in god after a tragedy. it's alien to me, never having been religious in the slightest, but it was beautiful.

[surfacing_X]

religion makes me wanna puke

[lithe]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Umm I have my doubts. One of the main thrusts of the postmodern movement has been to destabilize the epistomological foundations of science. Leading thinkers under the banner of postmodernism, particularly Latour and Feyerabend, have shown ways in which science is situated (western), value-based, relative and mis-interepereted. We'd be hard-pressed to say postmodernists, particularly liberals, think of science as religion (or something to rely on).

We need to remember that science is not THE way of knowing, it is A way of knowing.

good point. i was probably too hasty with my use of the word postmodern, i just thought it had a nice flair. ;)

i mean to say that, like people who blindly accepted their religious paradigm, modern people, even those who consider themselves well-educated, tend to accept the current (pseudo?)scientific world as its presented to them. though these people tend to have slightly more cynicism than the zealots of the past.

[Anjew]

If there was no religion in the world. Half of the world would cease to exist. The world would be plagued with suicide, war, genocide people would not be able to live.


Religion is a great way to see someone with morals and guidelines to follow young. To respect others around you, to help out in your church it's a very positive environment provided the church isn't a cynical one.


If proof was out there that there is indeed a Jesus Christ then great. For the Christians who believe in it. We're going to be glorified. Let it be.

[Antenna_Boy]

science has developed cures for diseases....what has religion done to cure diseases? :070:

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

science has developed cures for diseases....what has religion done to cure diseases? :070:

what has science done to save your soul?

i personaly believe science is a tool to better understand how God works.

[(val)Liam]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

science has developed cures for diseases....what has religion done to cure diseases? :070:

shamans used plants to cure the ill...

[(val)Liam]

Originally Posted by interloper

Hitler was a Christian (to quote a book on hitler and stalin, parallel lives "hilter was intoxicated with the presence of the church"). Stalin was religious, he also killed over 20 million of his own people. There.

-Preet

yeah, hitler was a christian, not debating that, but didn't he base a lot of his ideas about superior/inferior races on darwin's theory of evolution?

[MarcelM]

Either only one religion is true, or they are ALLLLLL Wrong, and the second one is my guess. But I could be wrong, I will definitely know it after I am dead

[maztraz]

Religion: What a big word for our modern beliefs....

Is it the good or is it the bad....???Everyone has that gone through there head atleast more then once...But We don't always realize that there is always a good and a bad side on what humans creations can do and have done....We often refuse to admit any posstive things when it is to much of a lie for our belief....It is just a outside to our modern world, but what isn't a oustide????Yes, indeed everythin has a outside and a inside....For those of you that believe in god let there be a middle, for those that believe in Spirituality let there be a middle, for those that believe in Evolution let there be a middle, and on top of that for those that religion is a priority let there be a middle and if you don't accept the way that others believe keeping it parallele is a good solution but diping your fingers in the pot of gold is just selfish and closeminded......

I don't think that god is important but belief is, yes....Without belief ''The world would be plagued with suicide, war, genocide people would not be able to live'' but once again you have your reasons to live but don't let it run over you...It is only a part of you, not what you are...
Tentation is surrouding you everyday, learn to make the right choices, learn to except other that aren't a threat....

Religion should be your own beliefs with the fact that you can share it a pretty similar way with others and same thing on the other side....It shouldn't be something that only one will care for others.... individuality is something that should be respected and is often violated in religion...