Terri Schiavo died today

.muffy. · #1 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

One woman's life has caused so much media attention lately, and after almost two weeks without the feeding tube that kept her alive, she passed away in a California hospice.

READ MORE (snagged from msn news)

What's your take on it?

xxViceRoyxx · #2 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

I think that she should have been left alone.
The media is a bitch.
Her parents took it too far, i wouldnt be surprised if they pulled it off as an attempt to grab media attention. If i were in her vegitative state, i wouldnt wanna be kept alive.

" but her death did not end the controversy as her parents accused her husband of not allowing them to be present during Schiavo's final moments."

See what i mean, fucking bullshit.

decypher · #3 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

They won't allow euthanasia, but they do allow her to starve to death. hmmmm

bungoshlung · #4 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^its called passive euthanasia

wum · #5 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Euthanasia implies an end to suffering.

decypher · #6 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^^ i wasen't asking a question... just pointing out the sick technicality of the situation.

EDIT: for bungoslung

impure · #7 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

funny thing.
on the news last night, right after they mentioned something about terri, they mentioned that the pope now has a feeding tube in.
they were quick to mention that there are great diffrences between the two cases.
nice how they have to point things like that out.

decypher · #8 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

George stroumbolopolous on 'The Hour' brought up the point that Schiavo's parents sold all the personal information of people who donated to them, to a marketing corporation. hmmmm

bungoshlung · #9 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by decypher

^^ i wasen't asking a question... just pointing out the sick technicality of the situation.

EDIT: for bungoslung

i know you werent asking a question, but removing a means of life support (ie: feeding tube) and allowing the person it die is a form of euthanasia

but yes, it is quite sick and likely a horrible way to die.

wum: one could argue that being in a vegetative state for the rest of one's life is suffering, just depends on your take.

impure · #10 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by decypher

George stroumbolopolous on 'The Hour' brought up the point that Schiavo's parents sold all the personal information of people who donated to them, to a marketing corporation. hmmmm

now THAT looks bad on them.
holy fuck.

.muffy. · #11 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

I think that it needs to be noted that Euthanasia involves a normally quick proceedure in which the patient dies quickly.
Starving someone and letting them die slowly over the course of a week and a half should be considered torture and inhumane.

wum · #12 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by .daisy.

I think that it needs to be noted that Euthanasia involves a normally quick proceedure in which the patient dies quickly.
Starving someone and letting them die slowly over the course of a week and a half should be considered torture and inhumane.

Actually it's supposed to be euphoric and peaceful now, just like the Holocaust at Dachau :)

mapleleaf4ever · #13 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by .daisy.

I think that it needs to be noted that Euthanasia involves a normally quick proceedure in which the patient dies quickly.
Starving someone and letting them die slowly over the course of a week and a half should be considered torture and inhumane.

No kidding... take out the Tube, add a couple cc's of insta-death and then there wouldn't have been the media Circus around this whole issue. If I hear the word "feeding tube" one more time, someone is getting a knuckle sandwich with a side of kick ass.

miss.myra · #14 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Regardless, it's impossible to die in peace when you have a fucking media/protestor circus going on outside for two weeks.

.muffy. · #15 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

not if you're completely incapable of being able to register what's happening around you, as was the case.

miss.myra · #16 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^ Yeah but arguably, Dr's have also said she's not capable of feeling pain, but a lot of people wouldn't like to believe that, a lot of professionals would also disagree. The thing is, we don't really have any idea of what she feels/thinks inside. Only she would.

It's not a peaceful experience for her (soul) for her family or her friends to have to wrestle through that everytime they go to be with her. That has to be a bit distressing.

wum · #17 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

^ Yeah but arguably, Dr's have also said she's not capable of feeling pain, but a lot of people wouldn't like to believe that, a lot of professionals would also disagree. The thing is, we don't really have any idea of what she feels/thinks inside. Only she would.

It's not a peaceful experience for her (soul) for her family or her friends to have to wrestle through that everytime they go to be with her. That has to be a bit distressing.

If she can't feel pain, why was she loaded on morphine

http://www.kasa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3145889

FireWire · #18 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Who's Terri Schiavo? Sorry... I don't have cable TV.

miss.myra · #19 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^ Exactly.

Again, my point was medical professionals have a hard time agreeing. You just gotta take a look at everything from both sides. Though, I don't know if you're totally capable of that wummy :)

wum · #20 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

^ Exactly.

Again, my point was medical professionals have a hard time agreeing. You just gotta take a look at everything from both sides. Though, I don't know if you're totally capable of that wummy :)

When in doubt... starve someone to death?

miss.myra · #21 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by wum

When in doubt... starve someone to death?

aha..exactly what I meant

(or completely not.)

wum · #22 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Anyway. the point is, she was in pain. If not, starvation would not be a war crime according to the Geneva conventions, and they wouldn't be pumping her full of morphine. i think it's pretty cut and dried.

neoh · #23 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

if her mind is working through all of this, just think what she must of been thinking, to know you are going to die of dehydration/starvation slowly and not being able to do or say a fucking thing about it.

b0ld · #24 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Starving someone to death with no food or water is purely inhumane. The body is comprised of what like 80% liquid. Being in her condition no one can tell whether or not she was in pain or not because she can't communicate anything out. But I'm pretty sure she was in pain. I can't imagine thinking of vital organs drying up and shutting down on you and what not. Just pure cruel. This is more of a doctor assisted suicide to be quite honest. The fact that she was in a "hospital" type facility with nurses and doctors where the resources were there this should of never have happened. And even if she did want to die based on her condition there are other alternatives. One is using morphine. I know someone who is a military nurse for the u.s army, and he said that in many situation so far in iraq with soldier or civilians that would be severely injured and were die'ing and had no chance for survival yet they were still somewhat alive the doctor would need to make the decision on overdosing them with morphine until they go unconcious and die. Its either that or the person would literally scream in pain to death. Here you got something who can't express pain because of there condition. So what is Michael Shiavo gonna do now? go after the pope and take his feeding tube and oxygen tube out...

.muffy. · #25 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^please paragraph your comments properly...it makes it way easier to read.
Thanks.