Pope John Paul has died

[QuanNeur]

Originally Posted by -ff-

A great man would have had the courage to change catholic doctrine regarding birth control and helped fight the spread of AIDS. A great man would not have stepped up homophobia by delcaring homosexuality an "ideology of evil."

Absolutely.. I find it bizarre that so many of you can claim to know nothing about the pope, that you don't even subscribe to catholicism and in the same breath announce that you've been deeply moved by the pope's death. The pope has a terrible track record in addressing key issues of our times, yet you relate to him as a great man? Are we so desperate for tragedy that we may seize hold of whatever happens to dominate the 6:00 news, despite whether we actually understand it, and warp into a personal fantasy intended only to satiate that twisted human desire for sorrow and melancholy? Are we that emotionally starved?

There are so many other things out there worth getting emotional for. If you must dramatize then pick a real issue.

[Zêus]

Originally Posted by mojo

he passed away at 9:37pm Vatican City time.

RIP

im not catholic, but still. he was a great man.

Very true... I wonder if he went to the same place that all those AIDS victims in Africa went.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by QuanNeur

Absolutely.. I find it bizarre that so many of you can claim to know nothing about the pope, that you don't even subscribe to catholicism and in the same breath announce that you've been deeply moved by the pope's death. The pope has a terrible track record in addressing key issues of our times, yet you relate to him as a great man? Are we so desperate for tragedy that we may seize hold of whatever happens to dominate the 6:00 news, despite whether we actually understand it, and warp into a personal fantasy intended only to satiate that twisted human desire for sorrow and melancholy? Are we that emotionally starved?

There are so many other things out there worth getting emotional for. If you must dramatize then pick a real issue.

I've met a lot of Communists that despise the Dalai Llama, and tibetan society to boot because of their social hierarchy and the fact that they have slaves.

No leader/religion is perfect. I've yet to witness any kind of leader that doesn't make mistakes that can make a lot of people unhappy. The pope was not perfect, Catholicism is corrupted, it's old fashioned- BUT I see absolutely wrong with people who wish to respect a fallen leader. Did you see how many people in the world that were deeply moved by the death of Ronald Regan for fucksakes?

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Did you see how many people in the world that were deeply moved by the death of Ronald Regan for fucksakes?

I think that's his point. People all want to jump on the 'mourn the fallen figure' bandwagond, despite the horrible things he's said and done. Just like

Reagan. Sure he was the 'great communicator' and won the cold war.

He also presided over the invasion of panama and grendada, the iran-contra scandal, called aids a retributive plague from god for the gays, among many other things.

'Great' men indeed.

[decypher]

^^ Not many people read between the lines.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by -ff-

I think that's his point. People all want to jump on the 'mourn the fallen figure' bandwagond, despite the horrible things he's said and done. Just like

Reagan. Sure he was the 'great communicator' and won the cold war.

He also presided over the invasion of panama and grendada, the iran-contra scandal, called aids a retributive plague from god for the gays, among many other things.

'Great' men indeed.

How can they change a thing they've done after they're dead? There's nothing wrong with wanting to respect a fallen leader.

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

I think that's his point. People all want to jump on the 'mourn the fallen figure' bandwagond, despite the horrible things he's said and done. Just like

Reagan. Sure he was the 'great communicator' and won the cold war.

He also presided over the invasion of panama and grendada, the iran-contra scandal, called aids a retributive plague from god for the gays, among many other things.

'Great' men indeed.

go start your own religion

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Custard

i thought satanism used the upside-down pentagram.

Black magic, doesn't have any original symbols. What it infact does, is take original symbols from white magic, and pervert them in some way, usually by some sort of inversion.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by baby-phat

I think you have way too much time on your hands my dear.

I get that enough. Typically from people that have no understanding of the occult, or are just in denial of how the world works.

Originally Posted by baby-phat

Alot of very interesting/intriguing (sp?) ideas but way too much time. What I meant by what I said was just that he seemed to do alot of good for people in general. So therefore that is just my opinion. And I am entitled to it. I'm not very religious or even anti-religious so I never really paid any attention what-so-ever to whatever kind of symbolisms the pope had apparantly flaunted.I didn't post to argue with you so I am just not going to bother anymore.

He seemed to do good because the major networks out there can make Wayne Gacey look like Santa Claws if they really wanted to and people would eat it up like hot cakes. I don't base my beliefs on opinion, but research. By the way I am making a side career out of theology so it isn't something about having too much time on my hands, but good guess.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Anjew

hey mark paul if ya don't liek it.
then dont' worry about it. you seem to be very passionate on the fact that the pope is evil.
did he burn down your ancestors homes? if so i understand and i will pray for you.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I don't claim who he is as a person, because I only know him from what I've seen on public appearances and such, where he is playing a role. I don't claim who he is as a person, because I don't know. You don't either. However, if you bother to look into the symbolism he flaunted, you would know that he is in cohoots with some very powerful fraternal orders and secret societies that institute the beliefs of many in this thread. Sorry but the truth hurts.

Yeah I really claimed him to be evil, for all I know, he could have been a nice guy, I doubt it, but there's a chance.

Instead of praying for me I got a better idea, while you're waiting for someone to save you, DO IT YOURSELF!

[dre420]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I don't base my beliefs on opinion, but research.

Anyone can say that, but without providing evidence it means nothing.

anyone knows a lot about bibles and such?


whats the deal on the next pope being untichrist? i have nooo idea, but would love to find out more!
anyone?