Help me fine tune my theory

[Ragga_Wh0re]

i grew up in the burbs of abbistan.I was a tom boy,and had mny a red neck friend that lived on farms. So i spent the majority of my time outdoors building shit,burning shit,and riding horses.

...and i still suck.

so what oes that have to say about your theory? not much.

[Liqwid]

^^^^......yer right fucked up val!!!!

j/k

i <3 u...

flying veeegeeez!

~dalyn

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

i highly doubt that i'm the only person who grew up in the city/suburbs that reads a lot and thinks critically of what he sees on TV. i don't think i'm the exception to any rule here. i just don't think you can generalize it like that and say that just because you're in the country you don't watch as much TV. i know lots of people that grew up in country areas and on farms, surrounded by nature and with lots of work to do, that still watched a lot of TV. when it got dark and they couldn't do work, they would go inside and watch TV. i'm not saying that's what ALL people who live in the country do...just like you can't say that all people that live in the city watch more TV and that i'm the exception.

like i said, i do think that the environment you grow up in determines some of a persons character, but i think more emphasis needs to be put on the parents or other agents of socialization that determine whether a kid is going to spend hours in front of a television or go outside and play, whether it is in a city park or a country field.

But that is what theories are - generalizations... not everyone fits them, but the majority do, and thats what matters... if you have ever taken psychology you would see that you skim off the top and the bottom of everything and whats left in the middle is "normal"... so, just because there are things about everyone that don't "fit" doesn't mean that there is no mold. It's just a guideline... however, i do agree about environment but that also goes into his theory, I believe. The theory that your environment (rural or urban) plays a part in your upbringing. Anyways, peace :).
~ Asheai

[MissBehavior]

I grew up in the 'burbs, but I was also involved with Girl Guides from the time I was 6 until I was 20. Because of this, I developed what I think is more of an appreciation for being in nature. It bugs me now because since I'm restricted by not having a car, I never get to go out and away from the city. Whenever I get out into nature I feel much more grounded.

More than anything, I think that my involvement (and my parents MAKING me be) in something for so long was the reason I turned out as well-adjusted as I have...I don't think living in an urban vs rural environment had THAT much of an impact.

[Liqwid]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

I grew up in the 'burbs, but I was also involved with Girl Guides from the time I was 6 until I was 20. Because of this, I developed what I think is more of an appreciation for being in nature. It bugs me now because since I'm restricted by not having a car, I never get to go out and away from the city. Whenever I get out into nature I feel much more grounded.

More than anything, I think that my involvement (and my parents MAKING me be) in something for so long was the reason I turned out as well-adjusted as I have...I don't think living in an urban vs rural environment had THAT much of an impact.

DON'T leave the bubble lisa

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Asheai

But that is what theories are - generalizations... not everyone fits them, but the majority do, and thats what matters... if you have ever taken psychology you would see that you skim off the top and the bottom of everything and whats left in the middle is "normal"... so, just because there are things about everyone that don't "fit" doesn't mean that there is no mold. It's just a guideline... however, i do agree about environment but that also goes into his theory, I believe. The theory that your environment (rural or urban) plays a part in your upbringing. Anyways, peace :).
~ Asheai

first, assuming things don't get you very far. i HAVE taken psychology courses before. and i'm also minoring in sociology.

theories may be born out of generalizations, but they don't usually end up there. brian's theory is a good example of that...the title of this post even says it. he has a theory and he wants help fine-tuning his theory, so he's asked people to discuss it with him. i'm just trying to help him fine-tune the theory by poking some holes that i can see in it.

you don't just made a broad generalized statement and then call it a theory. you do research to prove or disprove your theory, you see if your theory actually holds up to real life situations and applications. if no one did that, then anyone with a stereotype could slap the name theory on it. it has to be able to withstand the criticsm that is thrown at it.

now sure, if there is a nice curve in your research and the vast majority of people fall in the middle, then you can skim off the edges and call them annomalies and that the middle is the more average area. but do you really think if you did a survey of the ammount of time people watched TV in urban vs. rural areas...there would be a really big difference? you would have to do the research to figure that out, before you could say that i am the exception to the rule of a mass community of tv-watching city dwellers.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

first, assuming things don't get you very far. i HAVE taken psychology courses before. and i'm also minoring in sociology.

theories may be born out of generalizations, but they don't usually end up there. brian's theory is a good example of that...the title of this post even says it. he has a theory and he wants help fine-tuning his theory, so he's asked people to discuss it with him. i'm just trying to help him fine-tune the theory by poking some holes that i can see in it.

you don't just made a broad generalized statement and then call it a theory. you do research to prove or disprove your theory, you see if your theory actually holds up to real life situations and applications. if no one did that, then anyone with a stereotype could slap the name theory on it. it has to be able to withstand the criticsm that is thrown at it.

now sure, if there is a nice curve in your research and the vast majority of people fall in the middle, then you can skim off the edges and call them annomalies and that the middle is the more average area. but do you really think if you did a survey of the ammount of time people watched TV in urban vs. rural areas...there would be a really big difference? you would have to do the research to figure that out, before you could say that i am the exception to the rule of a mass community of tv-watching city dwellers.

Well, first off - I was not assuming that you have never taken psychology, I was asking. By saying "if you have ever..." was not an assumption that you hadn't.

Anyways, I know that this is not a "theory" as of yet, but if we are to be discussing it, why is my opinion considered as unrelevant. I was just pointing out the fact that, yes, I do agree with the fact that there is a difference between rural and urban environments and that they do cause a certain amout of self-realization to occur.

I agree that research would need to be done on the subject in order to make it a "real" theory, but that does not invalidate it as an idea. Agreeing to something that has not been proven, does not mean that I think I am necessarily right, just that I believe it could be. It is my opinion. I would happily change my opinion if shown facts to prove otherwise, though at this point we are merely speculating.

All in all, I do not want to argue about this. I am more than happy to discuss something, but only if it is actually a discussion.
~ Asheai

[miss.myra]

Everyone takes a certain amount of pride with where they came from. This theory could be duplicated and reversed for someone who grew up in an urban centre.

I don't know if I'd consider suburbs 'rural', either.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Asheai

All in all, I do not want to argue about this. I am more than happy to discuss something, but only if it is actually a discussion.
~ Asheai

i thought this was a discussion? i'm not angry or anything. but to have a dicussion you need to different view points, don't you?

i didn't say that your idea wasn't valid, and i didn't say that his idea wasn't valid either. i was just dicussing them and bringing up opposite points of view and other ideas that are contrary to yours.

:)

[Liqwid]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Everyone takes a certain amount of pride with where they came from. This theory could be duplicated and reversed for someone who grew up in an urban centre.

I don't know if I'd consider suburbs 'rural', either.

speak for yerself girly!!!

i'm glad to be outtah Maple Ditch and Shit Meadows!!!!

hahaha

~dalyn

[rawb]

i'm sorry, but if your status ain't hood, i ain't checkin' for ya.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

i thought this was a discussion? i'm not angry or anything. but to have a dicussion you need to different view points, don't you?

i didn't say that your idea wasn't valid, and i didn't say that his idea wasn't valid either. i was just dicussing them and bringing up opposite points of view and other ideas that are contrary to yours.

:)

Contrary ideas are what make a discussion. It's always good to have someone that disagrees in order to refine an idea... However, at some points it can go too far and is no longer a conversation and merely arguing for the sake of arguing... I'm bad with that :). I think that the idea that was proposed has merit... and basically it fits in with the idea of environment over nature causing our personality traits... which I believe in. Neither can really be "proven" completely, but both can certainly be argued.
~ Asheai

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Asheai

the idea of environment over nature causing our personality traits

what do you mean by this? isn't the debate usually nature vs. nuture?

whether our biological genetics shape our personalities and who we are vs. things like parents, media, school, friends, etc...

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

what do you mean by this? isn't the debate usually nature vs. nuture?

whether our biological genetics shape our personalities and who we are vs. things like parents, media, school, friends, etc...

lol, yes, I know. And, yes, that is what I meant. I was just putting it in terms of what we were talking about...

[Courtney]

I dont know...I was brough up in a pretty urban place but I am still pretty down to earth and appreciate the basics in life like nature..that could be cuz Im basically an only child so I just used my imagination a lot when I was little..
So I don't think in all cases where your brought up determines those things..

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by Asheai

As for Sidekick's post - I would say that you would be an exception to the rule - not the rule itself.

Very fundamental mistake.

THERE ARE NO RULES!

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

the title of this post even says it. he has a theory and he wants help fine-tuning his theory, so he's asked people to discuss it with him.

Exactly.

[Bobby_T]

PS:
Formal Axiomatic Definition of a Theory (taken from Logic): A statement that can be proven from the empty ensemble of of assumptions. IE: requiring no assumptions at all.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

PS:
Formal Axiomatic Definition of a Theory (taken from Logic): A statement that can be proven from the empty ensemble of of assumptions. IE: requiring no assumptions at all.

Well then, in essence, you have just said that your post is completely retarded. Why would you post something that is assuming anything? How can one ever come to KNOW anything without first having some basis to believe in? Saying some quote is fine, but living by it is completely seperate.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by Asheai

Well then, in essence, you have just said that your post is completely retarded. Why would you post something that is assuming anything? How can one ever come to KNOW anything without first having some basis to believe in? Saying some quote is fine, but living by it is completely seperate.

What?....can anyone tell me what he is talking about?

[middle mike]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

**Disclaimer. This is MY theory, not yours. It's coming from my point of view, being a rural child"

Ok, I have this theory about the relationships (not just romantic) I forge with people and their location of upbringing as a child.

I seem to get along with people who, like myself, were brought up in a rural environment as opposed to an urban one. I often find them to be more grounded, balanced and genuine ("real" if you like). They seem to have a quite different perspective than those brought up in urban environments, epsecially sub-urban environments.

I believe that by being brought up closer to nature and further away from media and countless other influencing factors you are given a chance in early developement to learn about yourself. (I also believe self knowledge is an extremly powerful tool)

THE ESSENCE of all of this is: You are given a chance to discover who you are before someone has a chance to tell you who you are supposed to be.

One of the ways I can explain certain personality types being correlated with being exposed to nature is a more developed and practised skill of interpreting randomness. Nature is as close to being completly random as anything and being exposed to this during childhood gives you a different perception of everyday events than those brought up in an environment of straight lines, squares and circles that the urban environment is made up of.

What do you think? Am I talking out of my ass?

I am one of your best friend and i grew up in an urban-enviroment....does time in boy scouts count...if not should we be friends?

[Bobby_T]

Edit For Asheai^^OK wait....upon further inspection: You totally just contradicted yourself.

[Bobby_T]

Originally Posted by middle mike

I am one of your best friend and i grew up in an urban-enviroment....does time in boy scouts count...if not should we be friends?

Dude, this has nothing to do with who I am and am not friends with.

And what's this "one of" bullshit? hahahha

[middle mike]

^^^ originally I had "I am" and changed for soem reason now i posted my mixolgist review and It reminded me "I am" Werd up ...I am confused about your theory...tell me later.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by BoBBy_T

What?....can anyone tell me what he is talking about?

I think it is code for he is an idiot