Aussie babe gets 20 years in jail for allegedly smuggling pot

[wum]

Friday, May 27, 2005 Posted: 6:51 AM EDT (1051 GMT)

CNN) -- Many Australians reacted with anger and shock after a Queensland woman they believe is innocent was found guilty of smuggling drugs into Bali and sentenced to 20 years' jail.

On Friday Indonesian judges found Schapelle Corby "legally and convincingly" guilty of smuggling marijuana into Bali in a case that has generated unprecedented interest among Australians and a diplomatic balancing act for the nation's leader.

The 27-year-old beauty therapist, who has been held in a Bali jail since her arrest on 8 October last year, was sentenced to 20 years in prison and fined 100 million rupiah ($10,700) on Friday.

By the way, the Muslim cleric who was convicted for his role in the Bali bombing that killed 202 people, 88 of them Australians, was only given 30 months.

JAKARTA, Indonesia -- Australia and the U.S. have expressed disappointment at the 30-month jail sentence handed to Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir for his part in the Bali bombing.

An Indonesian court found Ba'asyir guilty on Thursday of an "evil conspiracy" to commit the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings, which killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/as...a.crime.bakar/

[-ff-]

Why do you say 'allegedly?'


News flash to travellers: OMG! Other countries have their own laws, which they enforce! That part of the customs form that says "death to drug traffickers under Malasyian law" - not a joke!

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

Why do you say 'allegedly?'


News flash to travellers: OMG! Other countries have their own laws, which they enforce! That part of the customs form that says "death to drug traffickers under Malasyian law" - not a joke!

because i'm on her side :( Besides, they dismissed key evidence.

I guess by focusing on a single word in my whole post you've missed the point, once again?

I'll put it in bullet form:

smuggling pot = death, or in this case, commuted to 20 years in prison.

VS.

blowing up 202 innoccent club goers, 88 of them Australians, in the name of Allah = 30 months

[-ff-]

No, I got the point of your post. I was just pointing out how you were a little quick to take the smuggler's side. I get really sick of hearing stories of Western travelers thinking they can do whatever they want wherever they go, and acting surprised when they get in trouble for violating local law or custom. The world is not a playground for middle class white kids - sorry!

As for the 30 month sentence - I agree thats bullshit. Its also politics. In indonesia, the clerics are also political figures who have massive power bases. In sentencing the bomber, I have a feeling that the government was afraid of losing control of an angry population. What would you rather have - a relatively light sentence for the bomber, or a revolution bringing in an islamic fundamentalist government in Indonesia?

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

As for the 30 month sentence - I agree thats bullshit. Its also politics. In indonesia, the clerics are also political figures who have massive power bases.

I think the Australian government should've played their hand better.

They have leverage in the fact that this bomber killed 88 Australians and got a bullshit sentence. On that basis, they should have tried to get Corby some clemency, just like the Sheik.

Originally Posted by -ff-

In sentencing the bomber, I have a feeling that the government was afraid of losing control of an angry population. What would you rather have - a relatively light sentence for the bomber, or a revolution bringing in an islamic fundamentalist government in Indonesia?

I don't know the situation, but you're saying that the population predominantly is sympathetic to the fundis?

why in the world would a people want a revolution that forced them to wear hijabs, not trim their beards, not listen to music, and live like cattle?

I just don't see it.

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by wum

why in the world would a people want a revolution that forced them to wear hijabs, not trim their beards, not listen to music, and live like cattle?

I just don't see it.

Yeah, you also weren't raised Muslim under strict religious conditions, nor were you raised in Indonesia.

[gnosis]

I've been casually following this case, and I think a couple of points are being missed in this discussion:

1) Smuggling drugs (pot) has a death sentence attached to it.
Making the statement that Oz had "leverage" I think has been clearly played out: the girl's sentence was NOT death, but was commuted to 20 years. That's not "life" (at least by the 25-year Canadian standard).

2) It's not surprising that the authorities threw the book at her! She's pretty, white, and Australian. Bali is sort of Australia's "Hawaii" or "Ibiza". They're making an example out of her to send out a poignant message.

But, ya know?...

I've been to Bali, and I was surprised to hear how strict they were about ganja, a natural crop substance.

Yet, magic mushrooms, another natural crop substance, is legal, and readily available, publicly, all over.

I had a hard time trying to understand that one.

Frosty
(smoked the Aussie's kali, in Bali)

[xxViceRoyxx]

Originally Posted by wum

blowing up 202 innoccent club goers, 88 of them Australians, in the name of Allah = 30 months

Im on her side too, blowing up people and using any religion as an excuse to do so is stupid.
The bali bombing was very shady, they did not have enough evidence to proceed with harsher charges. Totally stupid.
I do not believe that religion should be used as an excuse to prohibit, regulate or permit certain things. Fuck nowadays I don't believe in religion period.
This arguement coming from you is in itself very weird since you do follow religion though.
Hypocritical in certain ways, very out of pace. All religions have many points that you can point out as being negative and make fun of, but dont try to make one religion look better than another cuz ultimately they all have their holes and flaws.

[wum]

Originally Posted by xxViceRoyxx

Im on her side too, blowing up people and using any religion as an excuse to do so is stupid.
The bali bombing was very shady, they did not have enough evidence to proceed with harsher charges. Totally stupid.
I do not believe that religion should be used as an excuse to prohibit, regulate or permit certain things. Fuck nowadays I don't believe in religion period.
This arguement coming from you is in itself very weird since you do follow religion though.
Hypocritical in certain ways, very out of pace. All religions have many points that you can point out as being negative and make fun of, but dont try to make one religion look better than another cuz ultimately they all have their holes and flaws.

i wasn't criticizing the religion per se, but just look at the total misapplication of the law.

pot is a victimless crime. Murder is not.

[wum]

Originally Posted by gnosis

2) It's not surprising that the authorities threw the book at her! She's pretty, white, and Australian. Bali is sort of Australia's "Hawaii" or "Ibiza". They're making an example out of her to send out a poignant message.

what's the message supposed to be?

they don't want tourists?

[automatic]

Originally Posted by wum

because i'm on her side :( Besides, they dismissed key evidence.

I guess by focusing on a single word in my whole post you've missed the point, once again?

I'll put it in bullet form:

smuggling pot = death, or in this case, commuted to 20 years in prison.

VS.

blowing up 202 innoccent club goers, 88 of them Australians, in the name of Allah = 30 months

that's all good, except the cleric was acquitted of any direct involvement in the bombing, wasn't he?

you're so fucking lousy at context it's unreal. the cleric was convicted of a hate crime for preaching his radical form of islam, never for actually directly organizing or inciting the bombing, only for indirectly inciting it. he most certainly wasn't the "bomber" you're all talking about above, there was never any thought that he actually was physically involved in any way. in other words he preached about the need to stop the foreign devils and the need for a pure clean islam, blah blah blah, but never actually was shown to have told anyone to bomb anything, and certainly didn't bomb anything himself. his words were pretty inflammatory, i'm sure, but unless you can prove he was in on it they're just words, not bombs.

fuck i wish wum'd just take a critical thinking course so i could stop correcting him all the time.

if you're going to talk about politics, at least read the goddamn articles you quote, if you were a legitimate journalist you'd be open to a libel suit over this.

[automatic]

as for the autralian girl, my heart goes out to here.....we'll probably never know whether she was guilty or innocent, it's not something that looks like it can be "proven" either way.

if she's innocent it's a gross miscarriage of justice, and if she's guilty then i feel sorry for a young girl who made a really dumb mistake with her life.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by wum

what's the message supposed to be?

they don't want tourists?

the message is they REALLY don't want pot.

[ty_guy]

Originally Posted by -ff-

No, I got the point of your post. I was just pointing out how you were a little quick to take the smuggler's side. I get really sick of hearing stories of Western travelers thinking they can do whatever they want wherever they go, and acting surprised when they get in trouble for violating local law or custom. The world is not a playground for middle class white kids - sorry!

As for the 30 month sentence - I agree thats bullshit. Its also politics. In indonesia, the clerics are also political figures who have massive power bases. In sentencing the bomber, I have a feeling that the government was afraid of losing control of an angry population. What would you rather have - a relatively light sentence for the bomber, or a revolution bringing in an islamic fundamentalist government in Indonesia?

a greater good for the great people?

[wum]

Originally Posted by automatic

that's all good, except the cleric was acquitted of any direct involvement in the bombing, wasn't he?

you're so fucking lousy at context it's unreal. the cleric was convicted of a hate crime for preaching his radical form of islam, never for actually directly organizing or inciting the bombing, only for indirectly inciting it. he most certainly wasn't the "bomber" you're all talking about above, there was never any thought that he actually was physically involved in any way. in other words he preached about the need to stop the foreign devils and the need for a pure clean islam, blah blah blah, but never actually was shown to have told anyone to bomb anything, and certainly didn't bomb anything himself. his words were pretty inflammatory, i'm sure, but unless you can prove he was in on it they're just words, not bombs.

fuck i wish wum'd just take a critical thinking course so i could stop correcting him all the time.

if you're going to talk about politics, at least read the goddamn articles you quote, if you were a legitimate journalist you'd be open to a libel suit over this.

ya, i should probably stop doing that

[Grapes]

what's the message supposed to be?

they don't want tourists?

Reading between the lines, I'd say the message is "Just because you're rich, white and hot and THINK our world is your oyster, doesn't make it so."

Not saying they're right in setting such an example, but I think that's what's implied.

[lou_belle]

Mushrooms are probably grown there*
Marijuana they probably think makes people too lazy and peaceful to go along with their fucked up regime.

Personally, I can't believe the way you spend time picking apart wums posts. It's like you don't want him to make a good point. You'd rather be an anal prick than to actually look at what's happening. You stop all conversation with minor details and start going off.
You ARE a STUPID FU**.
I'm not going to listen to anything that you have to say from now on because I know that the capacity of knowledge that you hold is one of discrimination and corrupt "liberalism". You don't bother looking at the real facts..you'd rather sit their and talk about how it felt to grow up in a muslim regime and how sad it is that these kids don't know any better. How their politics prevents justice.
Boo fuckin' hoo~
I'm strongly opposed to the idea that a country's borders can be a death sentence to any person who would like to smoke some ganga on a beach.

And what..now your idiot brain is going to twitch and say "it's not a death sentence."
I'd like to see you go to jail for JUST 20 years until you are fourty-seven and walk out into the world like your life hasn't been taken from you.

FUCK YOU AUTO*

:D

[wum]

anywho

I'm glad i didn't send any tsunami money :)

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by automatic

that's all good, except the cleric was acquitted of any direct involvement in the bombing, wasn't he?

you're so fucking lousy at context it's unreal. the cleric was convicted of a hate crime for preaching his radical form of islam, never for actually directly organizing or inciting the bombing, only for indirectly inciting it. he most certainly wasn't the "bomber" you're all talking about above, there was never any thought that he actually was physically involved in any way. in other words he preached about the need to stop the foreign devils and the need for a pure clean islam, blah blah blah, but never actually was shown to have told anyone to bomb anything, and certainly didn't bomb anything himself. his words were pretty inflammatory, i'm sure, but unless you can prove he was in on it they're just words, not bombs.

fuck i wish wum'd just take a critical thinking course so i could stop correcting him all the time.

if you're going to talk about politics, at least read the goddamn articles you quote, if you were a legitimate journalist you'd be open to a libel suit over this.

What you just said right here is that the rights of "one of their own" are far more substantial than a person coming from Australia who has no defined evidence in the smuggling of herb because it'd be dangerous?
She goes to jail for twenty years for probable weed-smoking.
He goes to jail for two and a half years for the probablility of being connected in a "some" way to the murder of 200 people!
AHH!
The people who assign these missions don't do it themselves?
What are you an idiot?
Oh yeah.
I already knew that.

The fact that you think that the justice system is under pressures from the religious Islam is completely obvious and it's something I don't need you telling me about.
We shouldn't be letting them get their way. What don't you understand?
Even if we speak of improbabilities...it's a way to feel that something is possible.
Why can't you think forward and not be held back with the issues of threats?
If you were a man..you'd allow other people to talk without coming in and preaching shit about the politics of people who don't give a shit about you.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by wum

anywho

I'm glad i didn't send any tsunami money :)

Me too:)

[wum]

"but Islam is a religion of peace"


--Communist Liberal

[lou_belle]

BwahahaH*
I'd rather base a religions righteous platfrom on their HISTORY rather than two words that are so overtly misused it makes me want to barf~

[cinist]

^
christianity has had such a bright and sunny past though, hasn't it?


it was 9 pounds of pot guys, it wasn't just something she brought along on a surfing trip.
if she didn't do it then it sucks, it does. but with everything else going on in the world why is the fate of some lady so important? because she's white?

check out http://foreignprisoners.com - there are a lot of sad cases in the worlds prisons

[cinist]

the little one is egor's cousin

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by wum

anywho

I'm glad i didn't send any tsunami money :)

you're a douche for even thinking this.
tsunami was something completely uncontrolable.

making sure the people survive and begin to rebuild in the after-math said event has NOTHING to do with the way their government deals with those it believes to have broken the law.