Do you think raves should strictly enforce a 16+ age limit?

[Allya]

Originally Posted by Anjew

I could break your rebuttal down as well but... I'm tired and I need to start my homework :)

I do however hope people appreciate both views.

Same here, man. My marketing and professional sales text books seem to be staring at me right now. And I def can understand your pov on this situation. What this comes down to, I think, more than age is just general maturity and with this territory comes parental control: If more parents passed on decent values to their kids (for example 'fishnets do not count as outerwear or don't be stupid with drugs) then we wouldn't have quite as many of the objections we do with young ravers. Anyway, yeah, back to h/w...

[LeeBrat]

Originally Posted by BongMan

I am a big fan of 16 it seems like a golden number old enough to drive a car old enough to party all night if you do choose so.

nicely put :)

[BongMan]

Why thank you Natalie

[BenGiovanni]

16+... I support that.
I may be 18.. first party when I was 14...but stopped myself til I atleast was almost 16 cuase it occured to me that "raves" were meant for older teens. I think 16 is the golden age.

[Pennywise]

i went to my first party when i was 16

[Goat]

So you're pretty much consenting 16 year old + highschool students, developing minds in a fundamental stage, aggressive exposure and even encouraging attitude towards a primarly drug dominated environment?

Yes or no?

[RaverPo-N1ne]

nott all "younger ravers" are total fucking retards.
im 15 and ive been raving for over a year and if solid or any corperation made a 16 + law before i turned 16 that would crushh me, i know not all people my age are fit for raves but to ban everyone including those who might be ???:275:

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

my interest in being a "raver" peaked from 14-17 ... so naturally i'd be choked if there was a 16+ rule in place. Some of my most memorable parties was when i was 15.
but the reality is most 14-15 year olds (not all) are total fucking retards..

plus im 20 and dont wanna party around their annoying existances , or have to hear about them on the local news.
fuck em!

[RaverPo-N1ne]

PAT YOU CANT STOP THEM FROM LETTING ME RAVE!!!!!

Originally Posted by Pennywise

i went to my first party when i was 16

[Pennywise]

its ok though^
you wear booty shorts

[Aspectre]

Yeah, leanne's a hottie... she's allowed in :)


ps.. I'm only 15 too eh? I'm coming up on sixteen really fast so this "rule" doesn't really matter to me.

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by lil_blue_pill

nott all "younger ravers" are total fucking retards.
im 15 and ive been raving for over a year and if solid or any corperation made a 16 + law before i turned 16 that would crushh me, i know not all people my age are fit for raves but to ban everyone including those who might be ???:275:

Yeah, but the majority are and y'know what they say "one bad apple ruins the bushel". *shrug* And anyways, it would prob take a little time for an age limit to come into effect.

[RaverPo-N1ne]

hahahaha i love you pat and thats all that matters when it comes to you and clay's decisions EHH lol :166:
your going to dooms night right? i got my ticket today :)

Originally Posted by Pennywise

its ok though^
you wear booty shorts

[Pennywise]

i should be there yup!

[BongMan]

^^ fool I hope you are going for free Pat

[BongMan]

Originally Posted by lil_blue_pill

nott all "younger ravers" are total fucking retards.
im 15 and ive been raving for over a year and if solid or any corperation made a 16 + law before i turned 16 that would crushh me, i know not all people my age are fit for raves but to ban everyone including those who might be ???:275:

You wear booty shorts to raves need I really go on??

[Pennywise]

hey jeff...you would be calling this girl sweetie like the other 15 yr olds if you saw her

[BongMan]

The last little girl I saw or talked to at the rave on Saturday was a stupid fool I laughed in her face when she threatened to take my balls dumb little girls. 14 and 15 year olds don't have the ass for booty shorts what kinda fucking fashion statment are you trying to make that you have 0 and I repeat 0 taste.

[done]

Hells yeah 19 up tired of checkin out under age girls make me feel dirty..... plus boooooooooooooozeee CANT GO WRONG:devil1: :217: :pepsi: :195:

Originally Posted by Pennywise

im with bongman


or even 19+ all night raves with booze

[BongMan]

hahahaha I just said the same thing over MSN

[Vitamin-X]

hmmm

I'm favoring the 16+ concept, but I can just imagine the look of evil
joy on the security guards face when he realizes I'v forgoten my ID.

They can deny you access or boot you out for so many reasons already.
Do we really want to give them more ammunition?
Just a thought.

[BongMan]

how hard is it to really bring your wallet or purse my ID never leaves it

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by lil_blue_pill

nott all "younger ravers" are total fucking retards.
im 15 and ive been raving for over a year and if solid or any corperation made a 16 + law before i turned 16 that would crushh me, i know not all people my age are fit for raves but to ban everyone including those who might be ???:275:

umm, did you even read my post?
i said most younger ravers. not all. i realize this.

I partied when i was 15 too. i know there are some decent kids around, but what i was trying to say is that most of the ones who do go to raves (most not all) are retards. and probably have a hard enough time tackling life as it is without getting wrapped up in a weekly drug induced dance frenzy.

btw, altho i dont think theres anything wrong with any teenagers going to raves themselves, there is something wrong with early-teens REGULARLY taking dirty ecstacy and developing amphetamine related problems before adulthood. Thats one of the major reasons i voted yes for 16+ rules (which is still kind of , hmmmmm?) . When your older and you start seeing your friends go down the tubes with drug problems,pregnancy or your own life go to shit, then you can say im wrong.
Party on Garth

[u_kno_it]

Unconscious Parties will and would never enforce this rule, cause if you look at it. The scene needs as many people as it can get to go on right now and get where it once was, and if a 15 year old wants to go have fun not necessarily doing drugs but having fun at a party then be it. If you don't wanna see little kids having fun doing what they do (don't make me explain) go to a 19+ club which has liquor and no well lets hope not, any under age people there. Andrew you have a point that it works in other places but lets be realistic here, you think it will really fly here? I think not.

[Evolve]

Ages 14/15 are the times when kids are most susceptible to media influence & peer pressure. So of course you will see little girls dressing in underwear.

Don't blame them, blame society as a whole as most people are easily influenced by the media, and peer pressure.

As one Unconscious Bro said, we need everyone to keep our fragile scene afloat.

I am on the fence on this one, but Evolve will not be a trend setter and be the first to enforce such a policy.

However, I know the rule isn't currently being supported by any promoters that are active...so if anyone wishes to give this rule a try, throw an event and see if this age requirement will stick.

[Kandyapple]

Who knows unless somebody tries?
I mean to each their own. But even though I started when I was 15. I didn't even go to another party until I was 16. I loved it, but I don't think it hurt me too much to wait. But honestly kamal, do you think the whole scene is being held up by the 15 year olds? We all know where the money comes from with the bigger ones to keep them going. And most of the people I used to love going to hang out with, no longer want to be there, because they don't like hanging out, watching a bunch of fucked up younger kids running around.
And in some situations getting hit on by people that are much older, and just taking advantage of the situation.

And I don't mean to say that this drives everyone from the scene. But I've noticed a big shift in the type of crowd at the bigger parties. It just feels like a big fashon show for people with no tact, and no idea what they may be getting themselves into. Because they are just learning about their sexuality for the first time. And going out full bore, because they have found a place that seems to promote that kind of behaviour. Some promoters turn a blind eye, or they encourage it in some cases.

When I used to think of raves it was fun, colour, music, and new people.
Now it's just kids trying to be sexy, and the really fucked up people.
But I haven't totaly given up yet. I still like to think it's about the music.

But like you said, I could just go to a club that plays what I like, and avoid this stuff all together.
But if everyone does that then where does the rave scene go?
I know I don't see as many people fighting for it like I used too. And I think it's because they are dissapointed with where it is going.