Dec 02, 05
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"White Trash"
(Admins if the title is too offensive I can change it)
The other day, Fable posted that "white trash" wasn't a racial slur to him. And when Wum got banned AGAIN, that pain person posted how they felt it was a racial slur. As convoluted as Paininass's post was, I got what she was trying to say, that she was offended by that. (this is not an attack on either of you). My point is, is it a racial slur? Are you offended by it? I, for one, am. When someone of a different race, hurls that insult at you, it is meant to do the same thing. I don't get how it should be any different than me saying something racially slanderous to someone else. I personally don't think it should be any more accepted on this board than any other racial insult. 
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Dec 02, 05
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or when he called me a white suburban elitist libertarian blah-dee-blah
Call me asshole, fuck nozzle, dip shit whatever.... don't drag my ethnicity into it. I know that I won't step over that line no matter how upset I get at someone. The problem is that it's a standard thought that us white folk don't have to deal with racial profiling and the such when as far as I'm concerned that is hardly the case. I'll agree that we don't face it as much or even as harshly as some but we do indeed deal with it.
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Dec 02, 05
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^ asshole. :P
But seriously, I was called it once in high school by a Vietnamese gentleman that was quite isolated from everyone else. I corrected him in English class so he called me a "stupid piece of white trash". The teacher didn't think it was right, but not for the reason that it was a racial slur, but the fact that he had called me a name. I pointed out that for that guy, it was racially motivated. The teacher then agreed. But you are right, no matter how mad I get at a person. Their color isn't a factor.
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Dec 02, 05
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Is it a racial slur? I do not know.
To make myself clear Wum was banned for his insensitive anti-semitic view and posts which I found offensive. I suggest to those who wish to argue go spend your time seaching and read the past history before you open your mouth and start spewing. It is quite annoying having a discussion with someone who don't even know the background of what they are talking about. I do not have the time to go and argue the fine details of what crosses the line or not when it come to a racial comment. If you find it offensive please point it out to an admin and we will look at the post and the context of the message it was put in. If someone posted that 'all those dumb fucking chinks in Richmond shouldn't be driving because they can't see straight' got posted and that was the one and only time it happens then I would probably let that go and carry on. If the user decides to follow up with that and continue to bash a certain ethnic race then I will take a more serious look at things. If you are upset by this 'white trash' comment then it has been noted. Am I going to search for all instances of it and edit them out? No I am not. If it continues then bring it to my attention again and I will speak to the user and take action as required. That is all I can do. Please note that in this entire reply I have stated WHAT I WOULD DO and with that I make the judgement call. If you do not like how I address this situation then please take the issue up with another admin. Quote:
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Dec 02, 05
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I don't think the issue was whether or not you should ban fable at all... I mean he can annoy me but he's hardly come close to where I'm screaming for him to be banned. I don't appreciate being cut down because I happen to be white and doing well for myself but such is life right?
As for banning wum again I'm all for it. I've never appreciated his posts and it doesn't seem like he would have learned his lesson anyways. When it comes down to the racial slur aspect though it INDEED is a slur. Now I don't go crying to mommy if I'm called a honky, white trash, gora, what have you but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. It's meant to come off as an insult so it's a slur. I don't understand how it can be looked at any differently.
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Dec 02, 05
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No no, I am not saying Wum should not be banned. I read the posts, I agree with your decision.
I found it offensive that someone would deem that statement socially acceptable. Nothing needs to be edited. I stand by my belief that if you are willing to put it in writing, then you should suffer the consequences. I do believe that if one person were to continue to use that remark, that they suffer the same disciplinary action that Wum did. It is no different. I also hope that those that thought it was acceptable before learn that it isn't.
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Dec 02, 05
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I think it really depends on how it's used.
I kind of agree with Sean...racial slurs can be funny if they're MEANT to be funny - like in Guess Who? when Ashton Kutcher is telling black jokes and the entire black family thinks it's hilarious - but if they're used in a negative, attacking fashion then they become offensive.
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Dec 02, 05
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I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG TO USE WHITE TRASH, IT WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT A RACIST REMARK, THAT DELUTED MY OWN SOCIO-POLITICAL STANCE. I USED THE TERM 6 TIMES, AND ON ALL OCCASIONS IT WAS UNACCEPTABLE.
With saying this, we also have to put racial profiling of caucasion people in a historical context, which unarguebly puts the caucasian race under the title of "oppressor" 99% of time when involved in such a situation. But! We cannot hope to change the future, without changing the present ideology, and the success of ideology being transformed into workable policy, and popular belief is depandant on an approach that is free from generalization and prejudice. My sincererest policies to anyone and everyone i offended. Mods, do what you need to do, your running the show, and i gotta respect that. But respect that im going to do what i believe i need to do/write/say. Once again, my sincerest apologies. Bongman your an idiot, who just happened to be caught in the crossfire, and it still doenst excuse me using the term, but i find your words uneducated, rhetorical, and useless. Bias is expected, insolence isnt. For the record, i do not believe any racial or sexist slur is acceptable, if i slip up from now on, bring the pain please, im ever learning myself. shakeel lochan PS Avana: i appreciate that you brought up the topic, in the manner you did. Last edited by fable; Dec 02, 05 at 02:43 PM.
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Dec 02, 05
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Mateo - I wasn't offended that the term was used, I was offended that it was said by someone, who says that they are a peace activist, that it was socially acceptable.
And yes, it can be funny when some jokes are made, like Natalie said. Fable, it takes a big man to admit that it was wrong. And regardless of who is the opressor 99% of the time, the point shouldn't be to point out who has done it the most in the past, it should be what you can do to change it in the future.
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Dec 02, 05
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This reminds me of the time this black guy called my white buddy "white trash". My buddy took a pipe to his face and destroyed his jaw, now the guy has all fake front teeth in his mouth. So, yes "white trash" is very offensive to me and every single white person. Some people can talk about it and some people react in a violant way. I'd react in a violant way aswell if someone called me "white trash" to my face.
I'd also expect someone to do the same to me if I called them "a niger" or "a raghead" or "a chug" or "a chink". It doesn't matter which term is used and how, its still offensive. Society should abondonthose words from their vocabiulary. Also, the only way I can see it being funny (not accepted) is when its used in the context of a joke and everyone knows its harmless and serves no alternative motive. Racism is wrong and I personally do not stand for it, we live in a mulitcultural country. People should respect other people's religion/culture and not disscriminated if someone is of a different dissent. But, like I said fable apologized and I respect that.
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Dec 02, 05
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When I think of white trash, I think of a duragatory term mostly aimed against a particular socio economic group, maybe even limited to a certain area geographically, I think of 'trailer trash' and it doesn't really offend me. I would be far more offended if someone insulted my religion, or the scottish :p
...really good thread though, a good honest discussion without too much mud flinging.
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Dec 02, 05
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i like all races. spics, wops, sand ******s, terrorists, white trash, frogs...
i just hate jews. white trash is a racial slur, kids. why? because it brings race into it. hence the word 'white'. edit: after someone made a really bad holocaust joke at work one day conversation looked something like this: "god, man, we're gonna get fired if we keep making racial slurs like this." "that wasn't a racial slur!" "of course not! it's just a joke against jews!" (for what it's worth i have nothing against the jewish, and used to be a practicing kabbalist mystic. but i can appreciate a good ethnic slur, if it's actually funny...) Last edited by ebbomega; Dec 02, 05 at 07:44 PM.
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Dec 02, 05
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I'm white and I don't find it offensive. If someone called me "white trash" I'd say "fuck you, I'm not white trash" because I'm not, and leave it at that. I agree with Myra that I relate the saying to "trailer trash". Quote:
Racism = BAD Violence = GOOD You can't be serious...dear god please tell me you're not serious. (ps - if you got called "white trash" and then you proceeded to instigate a brawl you'd just be proving their point)
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