So it's official... WW3 has started.

[djmarkpaul]

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Disclaimer: Some suggestive thinking/disinfo and a dose of fear mongering if you ask me, none the less, I find the sentiment important enough to post this.

Last week's headlines prove the point: North Korea fires missiles, Iran talks of nukes again, Iraq carnage continues, Israel invades Gaza, England observes one-year anniversary of subway bombing. And, oh, yes, the feds stop a plot to blow up tunnels under the Hudson River.

World War III has begun.

It's not perfectly clear when it started. Perhaps it was after the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War ended. Perhaps it was the first bombing of the World Trade Center, in 1993.

What is clear is that this war has a long fuse and, while we are not in the full-scale combat phase that marked World Wars I and II, we seem to be heading there. The expanding hostilities mean it's time to give this conflict a name, one that focuses the mind and clarifies the big picture.

The war on terror, or the war of terror, has tentacles that reach much of the globe. It is a world war.

The feeling that the wheels are coming off the world has only one recent comparison, the time when America's head-butt with communism sprouted hot spots from Cuba to Vietnam. Yet ultimately the policy of mutual assured destruction worked because American and Soviet leaders didn't want their countries hit by nuclear bombs.

I sound pessimistic because I am. Even worse than the problems is the fact that our political system is failing us.

But what choice does he have now that the pillars of his post-9/11 foreign policy are crumbling? As Harvard Prof. Joseph Nye argues in Foreign Affairs magazine, Bush's strategy of "reducing Washington's reliance on permanent alliances and international institutions, expanding the traditional right of preemption into a new doctrine of preventive war and advocating coercive democratization as a solution to Middle Eastern terrorism" amounted to a bid for a "legacy of transformation."

The first two ideas have been repealed. The third brought Hamas into power and has so far failed to take root in Iraq or anywhere else.

I believed Iraq was the key, that if we prevailed there, momentum would shift in our favor. Now I'm not sure.

Meanwhile, I'm definitely not using any tunnels.


This article doesn't even include the recent warfare involving Lebanon, that said, I find it to be pretty obvious that we are in another World War.

So... anyone have an estimate of how many false flag operations have been done since 9/11 and/or are gonna be carried by the end of this year?

Time to get used to some new words other than "terrorists" "terrorism" or "terror". I think "urban warfare" or "cerfew" has a nice ring to it, I wonder how long it'll take for them to get in the mix.

[-evil-duerr-]

But on the bright side, its pay day today!

$$$ KA-CHING $$$ !!!! mmmmm, as long as i can afford a bag and a couple bottles of distractions, the whole world can impload and I'll be a happy camper...

[esoter1c]

Dude Bush/Cheney said Dubya Dubya 3 started awhile ago.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....qnjzncm8.html

Didn't you get the memo ?

[project.one]

Join the army and get a rank before they start the draft again ;)

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by projectone

Join the army and get a rank before they start the draft again ;)

That'll make me bulletproof. :285:

[project.one]

Hey, Id rather re-join (if they let me keep my previous time in service) and go to war as a Sergeant then a Private!

[Alex]

^^ I'd rather go to Uni and become a higher officer, that plans attacks etc, than be a sergeant in the field.... or better yet, wait it out and hope years go by and you become too aged to be drafted. lol

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by projectone

Hey, Id rather re-join (if they let me keep my previous time in service) and go to war as a Sergeant then a Private!

Or maybe let Israel fight its own wars, with its own people.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by Alex

^^ I'd rather go to Uni and become a higher officer, that plans attacks etc, than be a sergeant in the field.... or better yet, wait it out and hope years go by and you become too aged to be drafted. lol

Hey, you got a degree to become and officer?
And true, Id rather be an officer!

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Or maybe let Israel fight its own wars, with its own people.

In a perfect world, or just one without Bush and the U.S., maybe!

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Alex

^^ I'd rather go to Uni and become a higher officer, that plans attacks etc, than be a sergeant in the field.... or better yet, wait it out and hope years go by and you become too aged to be drafted. lol

Yeah, planning genocide is so much more cool than executing it ! :285:

[djmarkpaul]

If Americans Knew

...and by some of the responses in this thread, Canadians as well...

[ja_raul]

So wait, this is the official official start off ww3? its about damned time.

[elliot]

sticks and stones baby, woo!
cant wait

[Clayton.]

Where do i sign up?

[Chewy]

Human exsistance as a whole has been one giant fight. Nonstop fighting in one way or another, we will be our own worst enemy. Good job humans, way to go!!!! assholes!!

[C_squared]

I think you all are jumping the gun (so to speak). The shit hasn't been slung at the fan yet.

ultimately a draft would be an ideal way to say... "shit, we all gonna die!"

[Scarface]

Trade in your tinfoil hat for a bomb shelter...or duck and cover.

[decypher]

No way they are going to be able to round up all us Canadians to ship off to the east.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Ever666

Where do i sign up?

http://www.dnd.ca

[thechix0r]

For now at least, I am glad that I am in Canada...

[fable]

A discussion under the umbrella of preparing for WWIII or WWWIII has started, or duck and cover its WWIII is purely alarmist, reactionary, irrelvent, a waste of time, and could even be self indulgent. Nonetheless I apreciate the initial post markpaul soley because of specific examples of acts of oppression come first.

The world is without a doubt in a time of great upheavel, great oppression and great resistance. Government is changing, politics are changing, economics are changing (all pointing out the obvious) But I think in the name of staying focussed, objective, organized and purposeful, one needs to put discussion where ever it is, into the context of whos interest does a specific occurance have in mind, why, and how does it effect you, and regular people in general.

I personally think the key is to be specific AND the put specifics in a general sense.

Or we can talk about how its better to be orchestrating injustices, rather than just carrying them out, like it was so elequently put forth by some/

[Chewy]

there is a quote that enstien said once when he was asked about world war3, i dont know it for word but its something like this.


"what do you think will happen with world war 3?"

he replied, " i dont know, but world war 4 will be with sticks and stones"

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by fable

A discussion under the umbrella of preparing for WWIII or WWWIII has started, or duck and cover its WWIII is purely alarmist, reactionary, irrelvent, a waste of time, and could even be self indulgent. Nonetheless I apreciate the initial post markpaul soley because of specific examples of acts of oppression come first.

The world is without a doubt in a time of great upheavel, great oppression and great resistance. Government is changing, politics are changing, economics are changing (all pointing out the obvious) But I think in the name of staying focussed, objective, organized and purposeful, one needs to put discussion where ever it is, into the context of whos interest does a specific occurance have in mind, why, and how does it effect you, and regular people in general.

I personally think the key is to be specific AND the put specifics in a general sense.

Or we can talk about how its better to be orchestrating injustices, rather than just carrying them out, like it was so elequently put forth by some/

I've had just about enough of your quazi-intellectual, ego-stroking 'alternativist' bumblings. That's what you're doing: bumbling. Quit writing as if you're dissociated from self-interest. Your very existence oppresses others.

[fable]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

I've had just about enough of your quazi-intellectual, ego-stroking 'alternativist' bumblings. That's what you're doing: bumbling. Quit writing as if you're dissociated from self-interest. Your very existence oppresses others.

Please do not assume anything about me as we do not work together, nor have we ever met.

I apologise if my points were not put in simple enough fashion for you. I was trying to communicate two fairly basic points-

>talking about WWWIII in a general non specific sense is alarmist

>it would be much more effective and beneficial to talk about case specific situations and link them together and fine the commonalities and dissect these very commonalities in order to find out whos interests are being served as with whom do we share our interests with

If you where to ask around in this city in the activist community, I think most people who know me, have met me, work with me and even hate me, will agree that my "alternativist bumblings" are well balanced by tangible, purposeful action and participation based on a foundation of principled politics.

If this irks you, do something about it.

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Shakeel Lochan

[SEAN!]

the world has gone through far worse conflicts then this without there being a world war