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Oct 27, 05
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We may not make as much money but ventia and bev are right to say it is the same shit different pile...its the same logo that repersents the same mark. People are too stupid to read further into things...what they see is what they want. Nike is nike no matter where it is sold. And the stigma attached to the swoosh will never die. So, i can't disagree with those who find it unethical, i once felt the same way...but my reality forced change. "You can have these shoes for free...or you can have no shoes." And supporting my family is fine with me, because i happen to LOVE a lot of nikes...even if most favorite are sold elsewhere ie: livestock. :( Last edited by Tea; Oct 27, 05 at 01:24 AM. 
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tho the manifesto is cheesey as hell, Last edited by SEAN!; Oct 27, 05 at 01:54 AM.
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Oct 27, 05
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Since I don't think lululemon is capable of irony, I'll have to at least give them points for clever marketing by bagging advertising in an advertisement. lets people feel like they're part of some sort of subersive or progressive counterculture while they're participating in the problem. hell - shopping is just another drug made to look great by advertising.
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Oct 29, 05
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if your going to speak up on nikes legitemcy of ethical practise, it might help NOT to put up a link sponsored by the company? I think in the end, ALL of us do one way or another, support an unethical practice and to get to the point of where we are not, is in fact quite difficult. So with myself personally, I give people slack as well as myself, if they are in the process, but also understanding that while this "process" occurs millions of people are being exploited throughout the process of corporate business. The idea of large corporations being a negative entity, is a continuously proven fact. The practice of capitalism, and catering to consumerist ideals inherently has exploitation written in their respective intangible "clauses" But I will agree, that when making referrals to such corporate entities, its good to be specific, although difficult. You had spoken on China earlier, and not imply that you are an "uncle tom" in anyway, but china amongst other nations has an amazingly high level of "slave labor" esque practices in many areas of the nation. This isn’t to segregate china- all nations are guilty or way or another, but considering that N.America is may be one of the highest consumers of Chinese produced products, I think working from within a company like Nike would be a very positive thing--- only if you were planning to bring it down! Your a rep? Well perhaps you may be an very ethical, caring person, and I would never presume to know you personally, but understand that your are essentially a "salesperson" (not necessarily a bad thing) for a company that historically has made its mark off the exploitation of the poor and desperate. You are one small piece in the giant Nike puzzle, and if you are planning to try to make change from the inside, all the best, but if you are just doing your "thing" and trying to justify your job as to not have the backlash involve you, then a word of advice, "salespeople" no matter what the situation are the direct front for inhumane capitalist practice, and you are either exploiting, or getting exploited. On a personal note, the more I get into the graphic design aspects of my work, the more I hate it, and the more I am formulating plans to somehow work through the process, keep my soul relatively intact and find some way in hell to alter the directive of corporate intrusion into peoples everyday lives. I think I’m going to have better luck becoming a eunuch- As for lululemon, I think it is possible to have ethical sales practices, and at the same time interject some social philosophies. If one can hold onto legitimacy of advertising(thetas sort of a paradox ain’t it?) and understand they are a "business" that ALSO is trying to inject of social consciousness and self betterment initiatives, AND they are an ethically run business, then who am I to denounce them? But its really easy to get caught up in your idealistic lies as well, ill be honest it has, will happen to me again. The fact the Lululemon is Canadian is a bullshit ideal in my personal opinion. Who fucking cares? Is being a Canadian company any more legitimate than anywhere else in the world? Are we any better in our approach to business? We along with the US drive the capitalist system. Id rather support a local, company that involves community feedback, is an "essential service" of some kind(in a broader sense) and provides something other than a "material" product. I break the higher bearacracy down into two components, the lawyers, and the salespeople. There needs to be more "creation" without the monetary value attached, piece of whatever, that are valued upon their own merits, and their contribution to society or cultural ideals. There needs to be more creators, outside the realm of the exploited and young, there needs to be more giving, and there needs to be a return to bartering. Because at this point there is a definite shift apparent to how money is being made. These days there seems to be less money being made of the actual product, than the money itself?!? And that’s just ripe for a complete collapse of these systems where we operate in. So asides from artists(in the broad sense) trades people, health practitioners, and theoligists what are all the other people going to contribute? What are all the bureaucrats going to contribute. I see the world in the next thirty years, a place where the people who are doing the most toiling, and mindless labor, will be in fact the "sales people" and "lawyers of today" because your work is neither tangible or philosophical, so in the context of contributing to society, what really do they do? bla bla bla action+mobilization fable
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Nov 05, 05
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ps- I like the manifesto
marketing or not there is so much freakin' negative imagery and soul crushing messages out there I like when a company tries to tap into the more spiritual side Lululemon is a company that was originally founded in respect to yoga and like it or no yoga is a spiritual practice POsitive messages rock life affirmation is somethng we should all think more about good on Lulu for tapping into something that we want to be a part of and ya drink water it's rad.
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Nov 05, 05
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Nov 06, 05
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I found a Dempster's Bread ad in my Flare magazine, that was kinda similar, so I thought I'd post it, too:
The image is a side of a bread bag and in the nutrition label, instead of nutritional info is a manifesto of sorts... This is a bread ad for a bread company that's not about bread. Its about feeling good. It's about smiling when nobody else can see you. It's about laughing at a joke over a week old. It's about nourishing happiness that's downright infectious. So, perhaps in a small way, it is about our bread. And how it's made with good things like whole grains and fibre. After al, isn't it how we feel on the inside that shows on the outside?
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i think he was, and im not discriminatory against gay guys at all
but you took my fucking drivers license out of my wallet and wouldnt let me pay non tax for my little sister.....hes an idiot...... seriously ive never had worst customer service then i have at that store, and i still end up dropping hundreds of bux there, all of which is going back this weekend!
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