The all 'consuming' event they call 'Christmas'

[ebbomega]

Christmas isn't even the most important Christian holiday. That's Easter, which has been equally bastardized by Western culture.

That being said, I don't think the gift-giving is Pagan, Christian, Jewish or anything to do with any religion. I think it's just human nature for us to want to spend the darkest parts of the year sharing the fruits of your labours of the year. Kind of like a special last harvest.

[Krusha]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

I'm flipping through the channels and end up watch Loony Tunes 'Bah Humduck' on Teletoon

How ironic they portray Donald Duck as Scrooge running a mega store and having the whole show plastered with Wal-Mart commercials.

The last one made me sick...

Her: 'Joey wants a Guitar Hero 4, Sally wants a PS3... what do you want dear?'

Him: 'I want a big screen TV'

Want, want want... buy, buy, buy.

Watching and hearing this crap makes me sick.

Yes... call me Scrooge but this isn't even close to what I remember this day is supposed to represent.

and what is christmas supposed to be anyway? the tried and tested christian holiday?

nope... pagans were celebrating long before the christian theocracy took precedence over europe

it's the worship of the sun, nothing more... the amount of tradition amalgamated into the largest of christian events is indeed a pagan one

is it just coincidence that jesus is the sun/son, even that word not just coincidental

so the way the story should be told is that the three wise men are the belt of orion, they follow the star of david/bethleham to find jebus ... who on christmas is born again

aka the sun is at its shortest procession on dec 21st, the winter equinox (the whole point of celebration in the first place) and after three days of no movement it begins it's procession to the longest day of the year June 21st, and if you do the math 21, then three days of nothing 22 23 24 ... 25th is when the sun is BORN AGAIN and when the son is born

it's always been about the celebration of the changing of the seasons and always will be

when a theocracy was in place it was about jebus

now that a corporatocracy is in place it's all about buy buy buy spend spend spend

[rawb]

is it just coincidence that jesus is the sun/son, even that word not just coincidental

corporatocracy

[Krusha]

corporatocracy isn't a real word but it might as well be rawb, what else would you call todays world

you really think we live in a time of ideology or do we live in a time of dollar dollar bills yall

[kir mokum]

are you allowed to be surprised by this after the age of 12 or so?

[Krusha]

you are if you're dumb

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

For me it's an excuse to celebrate.

Gifts are nice, but really it's the celebration that's the important part for me.

It's only ever as materialistic as you let it be.

QFT.
However, material gifts can be rather nice sometimes. lol :P

I'm excited to be able to celebrate my holidays with my bf and his family, which will be a nice change.

[Krusha]

Originally Posted by rawb

is it just coincidence that jesus is the sun/son, even that word not just coincidental

please don't make me, make you look like an idiot, if you had any base understanding of religon or numerology and how it relates to linguistics/etymology you wouldn't be posting such stupid pictures

it's all related to math, letters hold a numeric value, as do the pronounciation of vowels and consanents ... hence the use of certain words being repeated in mantras

but of course this kind of discussion would require you to use new parts of your brain, and it looks like you're quite happy where you are

[ebbomega]

^ Unless you're talking in Hebrew that really doesn't apply.

[Krusha]

^ exoterically yes, esoterically no ... numerology does not draw a line in the sand with kaballah

[cubed]

In many circles George likes to refer to himself as Shlomo.

[Krusha]

seriously im not going to reveal any personal spiritual info on a msg board, i'll just end it at that

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Krusha

^ exoterically yes, esoterically no ... numerology does not draw a line in the sand with kaballah

The problem is that once you start looking in more modern languages then you start fusing languages together (Latin beget Italian Beget Spanish beget French beget English, with some German on the side) all that numerology stuff with phonemes becomes invalid because it's not taken into account when the new languages are born.

Unless you're arguing that numerology is inherent in human language (and as such is genetically programmed into us). But I find that difficult to believe.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Krusha

is it just coincidence that jesus is the sun/son, even that word not just coincidental

please don't make me, make you look like an idiot

when was the bible written - Google Search

when was the english language invented - Google Search

[rawb]

HEY WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR EXPLANATION OF HOW THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN TO MAKE SECRET MESSAGES IN A LANGUAGE THAT WOULD NOT COME INTO EXISTENCE FOR ANOTHER 300-500 YEARS PLEASE DO IT IN A WAY THAT WONT HURT MY OBVIOUSLY SIMPLE BRAIN. l

[Krusha]

yeah, lets dig up 5 second answers from google, way to go tardly

i can already see the same group of know it alls ready swarm me with their mob mentality and 2 bit google researched answers, and i'm not having it

i've taken part in various ceremonial circles, including pagan and wiccan ones, i've had this very conversation with credible preists/shamans ... and would rather take their word to the grave than the ones of a couple smart ass fnkers

DONE

fin

EDIT: with the exception of dave, who asked his criticisim with a benefit of the doubt open ender... i'm willing to take this conversation to a PM level, but people like Rawb are more interested in pretending their smart than actually learning something that is fringe to american values

[rawb]

STRAW MAN ARGUMENT ME ALL YOU WANT, ITS A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU OR ONE OF YOUR PRIESTS/CLERICS/SHAMANS/PALADINS/WARLOCKS TO ANSWER:

HOW WAS THE BIBLE WRITTEN TO MAKE SECRET MESSAGES IN A LANGUAGE THAT WOULD NOT COME INTO EXISTENCE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS?l

I MEAN IT'S AN INCREDIBLE LEAP OF LOGIC TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO WERE WRITING THE BIBLE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE TRANSLATION OF THE WORD "SUN" AND THE TRANSLATION OF THE WORD "SON" WOULD BE PHONETICALLY IDENTICAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORDS COME FROM TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOURCES.

[fritz]

If you took the "you're not smart enough to understand this wisdom" attitude before writing your first post instead of your last, it would probably save you some time, at the cost of hilarity.

[-evil-duerr-]

i'm sueing Dr.Seuss for basing the Grinch who stole christmas on my life.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Krusha

and what is christmas supposed to be anyway? the tried and tested christian holiday?

nope... pagans were celebrating long before the christian theocracy took precedence over europe

it's the worship of the sun, nothing more... the amount of tradition amalgamated into the largest of christian events is indeed a pagan one

is it just coincidence that jesus is the sun/son, even that word not just coincidental

so the way the story should be told is that the three wise men are the belt of orion, they follow the star of david/bethleham to find jebus ... who on christmas is born again

aka the sun is at its shortest procession on dec 21st, the winter equinox (the whole point of celebration in the first place) and after three days of no movement it begins it's procession to the longest day of the year June 21st, and if you do the math 21, then three days of nothing 22 23 24 ... 25th is when the sun is BORN AGAIN and when the son is born

it's always been about the celebration of the changing of the seasons and always will be

when a theocracy was in place it was about jebus

now that a corporatocracy is in place it's all about buy buy buy spend spend spend

hi zeitgiest called, they want thier ridiculous theory back.

[MC Hammered]

Originally Posted by Krusha

and what is christmas supposed to be anyway? the tried and tested christian holiday?

Well I did say 'What I remember this day is supposed to represent'

I'm not religious so you can toss all that stuff out.

For me it was about family and friends spending time together and the gifts were just a bonus.

I remember heading out to friends homes to hand deliver a gift on Christmas eve, then hanging out for a while laughing about memories past. Then everyone heading out and someone instigates a snowball fight.

What happened to change all of that I do not know... but as I told my crew all I could think about when typing my thoughts was the gathering we had two weekends ago and I realize how lucky I am.

I'd easily trade all the material things I have acquired for more moments like that one.

[SEAN!]

i blame the white man

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Krusha

corporatocracy isn't a real word but it might as well be rawb, what else would you call todays world

you really think we live in a time of ideology or do we live in a time of dollar dollar bills yall

ideology trumps reality every time

[Courtney]

krusha has taken one to many philosophy classes

[diva]

I'm really getting into Christmas this year. I'm generous with friends and loved ones all year round, but I'm going to use Christmas to further show my appreciation for all the amazing people that God brought into (and kept in) my life this year.