How was Andy B?

[wigglesworth]

Originally posted by k-pryde
hahahahha whoa now chill there buddy. again now who are you to laugh at the people who simply have respect for andy b mainly cuz hes one of the original heads in our city? i definetly didnt, neither did wood, jay auto, myra or anyone else who sided for andy b say that he was the messiah of jungle in this city. hes been there done that for the city's jungle scene and therefore deserves the respect hes getting. and if you disagree, wheres your demo? and you can talk smack about freaky flow all you want but i wouldnt touch dieselboy cuz he actually is my personal favorite. give me all the shit you want about it but i'm sure i can back up every reason why i think hes one of the very best jungle djs ever.

I had to use hyperbole because this is the type of stuff i hear from the insta-junglist, try hards in this city (and lord knows thats the majority of the jungle scene.) All they know of is the ppl who come out here 2 twice a year. They dont think outside of the box.
As for dieselboy. I cant say anything about him technically, but his records are boring to me. After two hours of hard-ass tech step my brain doesnt want anymore.
Tech step's like hardcore, or cold pizza, you either love it or you hate it. Guess which category im in.

Originally posted by k-pryde

i defiently hear where you're coming from and its totally reasonable. people obviously who attended play payed the extra cash to check the party out and would of deserved to hear one of andy's better sets. i cant speak for him on that but i'm sure he wouldnt have a very good excuse to that which is fine. but i REALLY dont think he was trying to play down the crowd. he just simply might of not been having a good day. i honestly think its funny that you're taking it this seriously because you're human as well and i'm sure you have your bad days in whatever you do once in a while. he played a bad set. did it ruin you life? hopefully not so chill out. and i'm sure andy wasnt "flown out" here. probably how it was was that he came back to his hometown vancouver to visit and twisted happened to know and booked him so they didnt HAVE to fly him out here.

You didnt read my post very well. Unless he lost 3 quarters of his record bag somewhere, i dont see how he could be having a bad night with track selection. Track selection does not come into the the whole "he was having a bad night" equation. Those are the records he decided to throw down. Unless he was deleriously sick when he played, or under the influence of some heavy drugs (which wasnt the case because his mixing was fine) he layed down played out tracks for a reason. Im thinking to play down to ppl.

Originally posted by k-pryde

its sad but the most talented drumnbass djs are alot more expensive. what do you expect? its still a young genre with a dj scene that isnt very well built in comparison to production but one day hopefully that will change :y: its funny how you just looked down on dieselboy because he is one of the only drumnbass djs in this world who has something fresh, unique and has consistantly amazing mixing skills every time he plays (with the exception of the odd "bad day" here and there).

Drum n bass has been around for 12 years. Thats not THAT young in the scheme of things.
Drum n bass has a loyal following in this city. It has a farely large group of ppl that are passionate about their music. Compared to the rest of vancouver's electronic music scene, drum n bass has a healthy sized portion of the pie.
I wasnt in vancouver last year, but i heard a lot of good jungle djs were here. Already, craze and adam f are booked.
Im not sure what you're getting at with "what did i expect."
I expected something more then mediocre. Is that too much to ask?

As for a demo...i love to listen to drum n bass. Probably more then any other genre.
It'd be too much for me after awhile though. After 4 hours straight of the stuff i start to go crazy.

[jmzD]

Originally posted by wigglesworth


Its like james steele. This andy b guy played an average set. If he was a local i wouldnt have thought twice about it, and neither would mikey. We would've thought, oh look another average dj from vancouver. But, when someone is brought out of town, there should be something special there. Anthem jungle is not special. Special would be the anthems that ARENT YET ANTHEMS. New records that WILL be anthems.

look man, i have no problem with you, but there are a few things you obviously dont understand.

a) i was booked for the genre i play. plain and simple, its the sound on all 5 of my mixed cds, my live recordings, everything.

b) i didn't fly. i drove 10 hours round trip to come play for twisted.

c) i dont even play jungle, so why you dropped my name in the same paragraph as a dis on andy b and anthem jungle, i don't understand.

d) i didn't play anthems, i played mashups. not very many of which are very popular. except that busta beat track. everyone played that one...

it's just like wood said, 3 people didnt like it? yeah, i'm totally never going to get booked again, i should just give up the funk and jump on the bandwagon with everyone else. i know you don't like those "top 40" tracks and you are entitled to your own opinion, but try to have a little respect for those on the grind, keep our names out of your mouth.

[automatic]

well it sounds like andy didn't bring that many dubs for his show, and maybe he hasn't gotten any lately, but last time he was out he had capone's "twist em out" about 3 months before it got a release.....the guy releases tracks on renegade hardware (3 in the last year), and he's been starting up his own fashion label, so maybe he's lost focus on the djing. regardless, he played too many killer sets at great parties and clubnights in this city, and he's still "debuted" more killer dubs in this city than any other dnb dj. never mind that he ran vancouver's only drum and bass record store (tempo) and had one of the first dnb radio shows...

wood, myra, and myself aren't holding him out as some sort of messiah, but the fact remains that i'd have to say that if you asked me who the current vancouver scene owes the most to i'd have to say it's a tie between andy and rupert from hq...

and , to whoever said that the vancouver dnb scene consisted of "try-hards"....stop drawing your conclusion from the castro-hatted 17 year olds in the second rooms at massives. go to automatic. go to zwack. open your eyes.

[Wood]

^jay i believe andy's label is hardleaders, not hardware... same difference, he's released several tunes on a high-calibre uk label. he also has a tune forthcoming on defunked.

[automatic]

oops.....9663 is right!

[Moon]

Originally posted by wigglesworth
I had to use hyperbole because this is the type of stuff i hear from the insta-junglist, try hards in this city (and lord knows thats the majority of the jungle scene.) All they know of is the ppl who come out here 2 twice a year. They dont think outside of the box.
As for dieselboy. I cant say anything about him technically, but his records are boring to me. After two hours of hard-ass tech step my brain doesnt want anymore.
Tech step's like hardcore, or cold pizza, you either love it or you hate it. Guess which category im in.

one thing i'll point out is that you said Yah, im laughing my ass off. Im laughing at the fact that ppl on this board are talking about the guy like he's the messiah of jungle in this city. i really dont think even on this thread someone has labelled him near to the lines of "messiah of jungle in this city". hes a respectable guy and thats that. i dont have to repeat myself again that hes been around the longest. but now that you say that comment was directed to the insta junglists, fair enough. but to me its the insta junglists who are talkin smack about him (not saying that you are one of course). and as for your opinion for dieselboy, thats fine. its too bad you havent been able to appreciate the amazing programming and tight mixing skills he has. his tracks are boring by themselves, but hey its the djs job to make the tracks sound better.

Originally posted by wigglesworth

You didnt read my post very well. Unless he lost 3 quarters of his record bag somewhere, i dont see how he could be having a bad night with track selection. Track selection does not come into the the whole "he was having a bad night" equation. Those are the records he decided to throw down. Unless he was deleriously sick when he played, or under the influence of some heavy drugs (which wasnt the case because his mixing was fine) he layed down played out tracks for a reason. Im thinking to play down to ppl.

see you probably dont know what its like going up on stage and doing a performance like djing. djing requires really good "crowd reading" since its a pretty big improvisation act and its pretty hard to know what a crowd wants. i'm sure you've heard the phrase that you cant please everyone. may sound like a whiney excuse but hey you have no say in that unless you yourself have been up there and done it. his track selection sucked. fair enough. but going as far as accusing him personally for being a chump and playing down to a crowd... wow he musta really ruined your night eh?

Originally posted by wigglesworth

Drum n bass has been around for 12 years. Thats not THAT young in the scheme of things.
Drum n bass has a loyal following in this city. It has a farely large group of ppl that are passionate about their music. Compared to the rest of vancouver's electronic music scene, drum n bass has a healthy sized portion of the pie.
I wasnt in vancouver last year, but i heard a lot of good jungle djs were here. Already, craze and adam f are booked.
Im not sure what you're getting at with "what did i expect."
I expected something more then mediocre. Is that too much to ask?

yes it is young. if you look at the number of drumnbass producers, djs and mcs in the scene, its nowhere near as big as an electronic genre like house or trance. why? just look at the fuckin numbers! what i mean by this is that drumnbass has never really consistantly been up there as a dominant genre in the electronic scene till only rescent (and the odd few times in the last 12 years of course) drumnbass has always been under big changes and developments over the years and the following of it has never been all too consistant. trance and house? well its pretty self explanatory. but dont get me wrong drumnbass today has come a LOOONG way and the potential it has is HUGE! now that spectrum has broken the ice barrier and booked a big drumnbass show for the commodore, things are definetly looking alot more hopeful for the scene here in terms of size. the loyal following for drumnbass is definetly under the debt to the promoters and djs like Andy B, who put the time to bringing the sound to the city when it had zero following back in the day. but other than that, the drumnbass following is getting bigger and more enthusiastic heads who love the music rather than the cliques are always welcome :y:

Originally posted by wigglesworth

As for a demo...i love to listen to drum n bass. Probably more then any other genre.
It'd be too much for me after awhile though. After 4 hours straight of the stuff i start to go crazy.

hahaha fair enough. but ever seen a dj who can keep a crowd entertained for over 8 hours? not that its been done with drumnbass but i'm sure one day it can be respectfully acheived =) the skys the limit

[wigglesworth]

Originally posted by automatic
and , to whoever said that the vancouver dnb scene consisted of "try-hards"....stop drawing your conclusion from the castro-hatted 17 year olds in the second rooms at massives. go to automatic. go to zwack. open your eyes.

I went to dieselboy when i came home from australia. Thats one of the biggest drum n bass events of the year, and that was enough for me. I think fidel himself would've been jealous of the hat collection at that party. Way too many "jungle soldiers" for me.

I'd go to automatic or zwack....but an all jungle club night or party in this city has a weird vibe. Everyone's so bloody serious there.

Less seriousness about trying to be a junglist, and more fun and coming as who you are. Not an image.

[wigglesworth]

Originally posted by k-pryde
but now that you say that comment was directed to the insta junglists, fair enough. but to me its the insta junglists who are talkin smack about him (not saying that you are one of course). and as for your opinion for dieselboy, thats fine. its too bad you havent been able to appreciate the amazing programming and tight mixing skills he has. his tracks are boring by themselves, but hey its the djs job to make the tracks sound better.

I didnt say anything about his programming or mixing skills. I think they're damn good. I talked about his BORING tracks as you said. Why make boring tracks sound good when you can make good tracks sound great?

Originally posted by k-pryde

see you probably dont know what its like going up on stage and doing a performance like djing. djing requires really good "crowd reading" since its a pretty big improvisation act and its pretty hard to know what a crowd wants. i'm sure you've heard the phrase that you cant please everyone. may sound like a whiney excuse but hey you have no say in that unless you yourself have been up there and done it. his track selection sucked. fair enough. but going as far as accusing him personally for being a chump and playing down to a crowd... wow he musta really ruined your night eh?

He wasnt doing much reading. He started off with played-out, and he ended with played out. There was nothing else. He didnt try any other type of sound.

Believe it or not, my night didnt rest solely on andy b's set. I had a great time. Im just passionate about the scene in vancouver and about the music. Im not always nice when it comes to critiqueing someones set.

I think this threads done. There's ppl on this board that are saying although he might've played a bad set, hes done a lot for drum n bass in vancouver.
Fair enough. I never debated that.
But this is show business. A lot of the time, you're only as good as the last time you performed.
Say he was a singer. Maybe he had an off night with some kind of throat cold and hisvoice was bad, but the songs he sang were awsome. Look at neil young. Same thing.
But if someone sang well, but their songs were fluff, would you really care about them?
Same deal here.

[mikey]

Originally posted by wigglesworth

I'd go to automatic or zwack....but an all jungle club night or party in this city has a weird vibe. Everyone's so bloody serious there.

Less seriousness about trying to be a junglist, and more fun and coming as who you are. Not an image.

I've been lotus on tuesday quite a few times, and the "vibe" there isn't stange. From what I saw it was just people who loved the music. A few odd balls, but it was generally a good croud...

[wigglesworth]

PLUR

[stringbeans]

Originally posted by wigglesworth:
I went to dieselboy when i came home from australia. Thats one of the biggest drum n bass events of the year, and that was enough for me. I think fidel himself would've been jealous of the hat collection at that party. Way too many "jungle soldiers" for me.

hahahahahaha

the vancouver dnb scene is way too boh boh boh'd out

john
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[rawb]

i hear a lot of bitching, but not a lot of party throwing.

i really like the vancouver jungle scene right now, but if i didn't, i'd throw a party or plan some sort of event. no point in bitching if you aint going to do anything about it. boohoo all you want, but nothings going to turn out how you like it until you do something.

[wigglesworth]

Agreed.
I dont have a problem with them the way jungle club nights/raves are thrown. I have a problem with most of the ppl that show up.

Breaks on the otherhand....

[Wood]

Originally posted by wigglesworth
I'd go to automatic or zwack....but an all jungle club night or party in this city has a weird vibe. Everyone's so bloody serious there.

hey, quaffing stellas and punching each other in the nuts is serious business for some.

[miss.myra]

Originally posted by werdyboy
i hear a lot of bitching, but not a lot of party throwing.

i really like the vancouver jungle scene right now, but if i didn't, i'd throw a party or plan some sort of event. no point in bitching if you aint going to do anything about it. boohoo all you want, but nothings going to turn out how you like it until you do something.

I'll kick you in the junk and steal back my monkey if you don't throw another party soon.

k thanks.

M

[automatic]

Originally posted by wigglesworth
I went to dieselboy when i came home from australia. Thats one of the biggest drum n bass events of the year, and that was enough for me. I think fidel himself would've been jealous of the hat collection at that party. Way too many "jungle soldiers" for me.

i didn't go to dieselboy, but i'd guess that it was probably amongst the most mainstream of the d&b acts that came to town. shows like that along with aphrodite, freaky flow, and rap tend to attract a lot of the younger crowd, the scenesters and bohsters along with a good crossover from the rave crowd. come to john b next week if you want to know what the real club based scene is all about.

and as for dieselboy being boring.....from what i heard he played an awesome set and had the place bumping. while i'd be the first to point out that as a producer his tracks are below average, he's a great technical dj, and most of the fun of a show like that is generated by the crowd more than the act anyways.