Lack of Progressive @ Raves.

[soma]

Originally posted by Sean
Speaking of which, we need another Soma opening set before I jet off to Montreal. May is looking promising.

just let me know when is a good week sean

[ebbomega]

Re:MUX's post...

I'm pretty much in full agreeance here.

You guys ever hear that rant that Z-Trip went on? About sayin basically Fuck all this genre shit... why don't we play all kinds of music, and then everybody can have fun.

Progressive gets really fucking boring after about hour 3.

[Sean]

Errm, 120bpm Prog House? No wonder you were bored. Pretty much all of the prog records I buy start at 130-132bpms and I usually pitch em up a couple %.

Having an "all progressive" party could also be quite boring, but no more boring than an all trance party IMO; and this is coming from someone that runs a trance night. I think diversity of genres, structured together such that the energy is constantly building all night until peak-time, and then winds down while still maintaining a lot of energy is the key.

[miss.myra]

^ I agree.

[neoh]

Yeah, more prog is definantly needed at these parties, but if you would imagine - the dj's have to look after the majority and not the minority. Every time you hear a prog song you know the die hards because they have their hands in the air worshiping the dj! not many of them, I however am one of them. And yes, and all prog party would definantly be hard to dance to, but personally, i'm there for the music - if I have to stand all night to hear beautiful music, I will.

[hardstylin]

well i know my companies parties are all about energy and the vibe, which IMO is the most important thing at a party.Plus we are all about promoting hard music in the scene. this is what are line up looked like at project mayhem our last party
hard trance/hardstyle 10-11
hard uplifting trance 11-12:30
hardhouse 12:30-1:30
hard tekk(me) 1:30-2:30
jump up dnb 2:30-4:00
dark driving tekk 4:00-5:30
hard uplifting trance 5:30-7:00
Now prince george is where we throw parties and PG is a breakz town all the way breakz breakz breakz and this party was all hard shit, and every single person that came up to me or i talked to told me it was the best party they ve been to ever or in the last 3 years, not because they like the music more but because of the vibe and energy the music created for the party was insane and thats just it you could have a prog party and say all the prog junkies show up and everyones loving the music and partying hard but the energy levels will be so low that the party just wont have the jump to it thats makes people say wow that was sick party.

[zarlon]

i dont think i like progressive for the simple fact it doesnt seem to progress

ehhh.. not my loss

[MC Hammered]

Originally Posted by Erica

that's why i prefer going to clubs a LOT more than going to raves these days. i <3 progressive. big ups to vivid and the new loaded night!

The new Loaded night on Fridays is dope.

[M!SKA]

Originally Posted by neoh

Yeah, more prog is definantly needed at these parties, but if you would imagine - the dj's have to look after the majority and not the minority.

Read Sean's post again... he's saying that what the promoters and DJ's decide to play is what influences the majority's taste. If all you hear is the same bangin 4x4 beats, its all you're going to want to hear.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by hardstylin

well i know my companies parties are all about energy and the vibe, which IMO is the most important thing at a party.Plus we are all about promoting hard music in the scene. this is what are line up looked like at project mayhem our last party
hard trance/hardstyle 10-11
hard uplifting trance 11-12:30
hardhouse 12:30-1:30
hard tekk(me) 1:30-2:30
jump up dnb 2:30-4:00
dark driving tekk 4:00-5:30
hard uplifting trance 5:30-7:00

I'm sorry. There's way too much "Hard" in those genres for a bunch of genres that really aren't hard.

Hard Uplifting Trance? Am I the only person who sees that as an oxymoron?

[hardstylin]

I call real synthy hard trance uplifting hard trance because thats what it is. all uplifting trance doesnt have to be weak on the beat side. and as far as are really that hard when im in van for twisted ill give you a copy of my hard tekk CD i garuntee you wont hear anything harder.

peace

[Senior]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Re:MUX's post...

I'm pretty much in full agreeance here.

You guys ever hear that rant that Z-Trip went on? About sayin basically Fuck all this genre shit... why don't we play all kinds of music, and then everybody can have fun.

Progressive gets really fucking boring after about hour 3.

Well said, DJ's that play to a crowd regardless of genre should be the norn not the exception.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by neoh

Yeah, more prog is definantly needed at these parties, but if you would imagine - the dj's have to look after the majority and not the minority. Every time you hear a prog song you know the die hards because they have their hands in the air worshiping the dj! not many of them, I however am one of them. And yes, and all prog party would definantly be hard to dance to, but personally, i'm there for the music - if I have to stand all night to hear beautiful music, I will.

good prog isnt hard to dance to...it just a takes awhile to build by 2 or three hours into the party everything should be banging and the walls dripping.

thats what i love about prgo, its alot more complex, and it builds after ever song, after awhile itll just be a frenzy...


fuck this...im gonan go listen to some way out west..peace

[Sean]

^--- Exactly.

[inkster]

Originally Posted by mux

Went to "The Gong Show" last-last weekend, and it was progressive house from 9pm-6am. In fact, I found it very difficult to dance to; waaaaaay too slow for my tastes. I enjoyed it, and the DJs were excellent, but ended up sitting down for a good portion of the party.

Progressive house, IMHO, is midnight stuff. Get people onto the floor, hit 'em a bit harder than the 10pm-12pm house guys, set 'em up for the 1am prog-breaks guy, 2am acid guy, and then at 3am, WHAMMO, the 140-150bpm rave techno. Follow up with some bangin' hard techno, then the 5am trance guy, then the 6am "epic twance" guy to wind it all down. Party.

Putting 120bpm stuff on at 3am breaks the flow of a good party, IMHO.

i concur. it was pretty bumpin' around midnight, but by the time that the prog had been playing for a bit, everyone was standing around mingling. i left at 4.

that venue would have been conducive to something funky (some french house would have set the place off) or some mindfuck music (acid techno would have been perfect for that place).

to use an analogy i've used before, progressive always seems to take me on a journey. but the journey is on the kingsway bus at 3 in the morning.... stopping constantly, never really seeming to go anywhere.

[ebbomega]

^^ That was an analogy?

[kevkao]

I just wanna say, 130 bpm is NOT too slow to dance to. For those of you that mostly listen to hard stuff, then yes, I can imagine suddently going from 145 down to 130, 130 will feel really slow. I've only been able to see progressive djs like Steve Porter, Sasha, Steve Lawler, Lee Burridge in Vancouver, and dont you dare tell me that their music is too slow to dance to. Those who went, know they rocked the house from beginning to end. All I gotta say is that you just have to listen more so you can understand, feel, and appreciate the music. I only know people who moved away from harder stuff to slower stuff, and not the other way around and they'll tell you why!

[ty:rone]

sweet brought progressive to raves.
and 1998 - 1999 they did with such perfection
the online sets prove it.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by 4:20

sweet brought progressive to raves.
and 1998 - 1999 they did with such perfection
the online sets prove it.

I might be %100 wrong on this... but I thought both progressives (old vs new) where two totaly different genre's. The older prog, was proghouse and progtrance coming to gether (IMHO where the trance of the last 3 years came out of) Now the new progressive is a type of tech-house.

Any one got comments on this?

[ty:rone]

ya ur right actually.
the progressive house now is a totally different sound in my opinion too..

[kevkao]

I think prog house and prog trance is 2 different styles, but then again you could have a track that is in between. Prog trance imo is like what PvD is playing, and that is quite different from the prog house sound.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

I might be %100 wrong on this... but I thought both progressives (old vs new) where two totaly different genre's. The older prog, was proghouse and progtrance coming to gether (IMHO where the trance of the last 3 years came out of) Now the new progressive is a type of tech-house.

Any one got comments on this?

The only way it seems that "Progressive" progresses anymore is that every year some new boring genre picks up the moniker. Other than that, the name seems to have squat to do with the genre.

[Special-K]

Goddamn, if i got booked more this wouldnt be a problem :)

[johnnyfever]

alot of Progressive guys don't do the rave thing in general, Progressive is making it's way there...........just takes a little while longer before people get into Prog, banging music is easy to accept, prog is for the thinker, and btw, VOLUME FRIDAYS @ The lotus has some of the best prog in Canada!!!! ;)

[mikefasssy]

wow. if you 'like' progressive but say you can't 'dance' to it then pretty sure you don't like it enough.

but yes, more progressive haus is needed.