Lack of Progressive @ Raves.

matéo · #1 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Its funny how progressive house is huge around the world but here in vancouver the only progressive you hear is @ club nights. I'm sure I could name alot of djs that play progressive at a rave party here and there but when is the last time someone played a progressive house set in the main room @ 3am.

What are the "Uplifting Trance fan's opinions on this" even the djs!!! Dennis?? Why hasn't any of the local trance djs dabbed into a little progressive in the main room??? I know 90% of the breaks djs in the city love throwing down house during a set and theres a ton of house djs dropping deep house into there filtered funk sets so why everytime I hear a trance song in the main room I know it will be followed by another one very much the same.

cheebus420 · #2 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

yeah I agree. If you look at the DJMag top 100, the top 10 are always trance / progressive DJ's. Yet in vancouver , unless it's a club night or a Plaza Party, you never see them.
We have a lot of talented trance DJ's even on FNK, like Sean Walsh and Danny Taylor.

Sykonee · #3 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Your kidding, right? You really don't know?? Oh, well...

*Sneaks off to VIVID*

matéo · #4 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

*Looks at Skyonee, then looks at title of thread*

matéo · #5 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

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Originally posted by cheebus420
We have a lot of talented trance DJ's even on FNK, like Sean Walsh and Danny Taylor.

I know and these are part of the few that play some progressive house and even breaks and Sean is very underrated here in Van (danny gets nuff respect)!!!! But where I would like to see them is at a rave!!!!!

D · #6 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Good post Mateo. This is something that myself and sean have have been talkign about for the past 2 years. Comes down to selfish and uneducated time slots IMO.

That is all

matéo · #7 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Very True.

I myself was once complaing to a more experienced dj (Kuma) about how at ten o clock I cant drop a bunch of experiemntal or progressive breaks b/c they clear the room. He told me to lure them in with the more funky stuff you do enjoy and then beat them over the head with whatever you want.

I think it is good in a way that Van doesnt get exposure to more deeper sounds. It gives us djs that do play the stuff a bit of a challenge to work the floor. Anyone can rely on Anthems to fill a floor.

*Geminiz* · #8 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

A lot of progressive is played at the Rowing Club parties, other than there I usually only hear it at clubs. I find this odd as well . . . perhaps it's because progressive is not as energenic as the funky stuff? I'm really not sure.

matéo · #9 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

you're right but when it comes to taking the listener on a journey proggy is where its at. Rowing club parties equal older crowd equals probably a better knowledge in what good music is.

stringbeans · #10 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

i personally dont like progressive anything.. so i guess its a plus for me

*Geminiz* · #11 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Well thats sort of how I see it, at parties people are all hyper and dancin away enjoying the music, and it's great because through out there night there is usually diversity. At rowing club parties, if there's an awesome DJ or two in a row and you get into the groove of the music it's amazing. I love progressive, it's got soul, but I don't need to hear 5 hours of it. I like to change things up a bit. I guess what I'm trying to say is progressive has such feeling to it, and other genre's seem to bring the hype!

cheebus420 · #12 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

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Originally posted by Sykonee
Your kidding, right? You really don't know?? Oh, well...

*Sneaks off to VIVID*

ummm maybe you didn't read the title of this forum or the original post that said "besides club nights" .

de-ken · #13 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

its because vancouver is still relatively uneducated and backwards when it comes to the music scene.

the market is too small to support such "diverse" tastes in music like prog.

talking about raves? who goes to raves? young teens, asian thugs, thugs, etc. The biggest turnouts u can imagine at raves in vancouver are like 2500-3000 ppl. not that much at all when u compare to bigger markets.

the fact that ppl still like hard house in this town says it all! whats popular in van is still hard trance and stuff, but all this stuff is already taking a back seat around the world... which goes to say that vancouver is behind!

SEAN! · #14 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

its because everyone at raves is ggaked out and progressive is too boring.

i love progressive

Crazy Dave · #15 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

fuck I could say this about a 100 genre. Get over it, Vancouver has never liked variety.(ps I'm bitter about the scene not you) Shit where's all the breaks or techno? What about hardcore, or booty house?

Oh yea, there is a few promotion crews doing events with the Prog/Tech-house you speak about. I'm sure there was good chunk of it at the Gong Show.

D · #16 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

hey mateo,

add me to your msn

[email protected]

greetz,

dan

*STARFISH* · #17 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

here here
i fully agree
*sigh* :soak:

Erica · #18 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

that's why i prefer going to clubs a LOT more than going to raves these days. i <3 progressive. big ups to vivid and the new loaded night!

Sykonee · #19 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

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Originally posted by cheebus420:
ummm maybe you didn't read the title of this forum or the original post that said besides club nights.

Actually, I did, but subtle humour seems to be lost on a lot of posters here.

And I can't be bothered to explain it to you. If you don't get it now, wait a few more years.

Ree Fresh · #20 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

I can only compare Vancouvers sene to my experience in Australia. Talking with Aussies and tons of UK'ers... their attitude towards music is way diffrent. I found the ppl over there were much more open and apreciative of all music. Never heard any of this "i only listen to.... I cant stand.... Im soo... " comment I hear in Vancouver all the time.
I love how the Brits refer to it as "dancy music" They where never really picky about house vs trance vs breaks etc. They knew the diffrence and had some preffrences but they kinda loved it all!
Either where a bitter and picky city or the rest of the world does more drinking and drugs to care?
Maybe progressive dj's should hand out pills to ravers :moon:

Sean · #21 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

Traditionally raves in Vancouver have had the most retarded line-ups imaginable as far as programming is concerned. It's hardtrance, hard house, trance, and yeah that's it, in random order interspersed throughout the night. The number of times I've seen "opening" DJs at plaza drop huge anthemic shit is mindboggling -- the opening DJs job is to warm-up the crowd and set it up perfectly for the headliner, not play the same shit the healiner's playing to show how l33t you are and how you can copy the sounds of DJs in Europe and import their record box over here. I honestly don't think that the crowd at a party wouldn't like progressive, I think they're just trained to like banging 4 4 shit because that's the formula that is ALWAYS laid down for them.

The reason for this IMO is due to the lack of truly "professional" promoters in the city. If you look at a city like Montreal, or any other similar such quality city, you have people that throw parties because they want to promote, not because they want to give themselves a platform to play their crappy music at. How many promoters in the city would consider not booking *themselves* at a party if they didn't think their sound suited the rest of the line-up? Fuck, I'd even be happy if they structured the line-up around themselves, instead of booking whatever big DJ or two and then throwing X locals who are ripping that guys sound off at random places around him.

Anyways, if you'd like to check out the way *I* think things should be structured for an EDM night, with progressive & breaks leading into techno and techtrance, ending up with driving uplifting trance, then check out Viva on Friday. The idea behind the night has always been well-structured, up-front, quality new tunes.

Moon · #22 (**permalink**) Mar 30, 04

a party that has a really good progressive dj then a trance dj who knows how to bring the place to complete euphoria is an unforgettable party.

soma · #23 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 04

Quote:

Originally posted by cheebus420
yeah I agree. If you look at the DJMag top 100, the top 10 are always trance / progressive DJ's. Yet in vancouver , unless it's a club night or a Plaza Party, you never see them.
We have a lot of talented trance DJ's even on FNK, like Sean Walsh and Danny Taylor.

matt I'm taking you to viva this week

Sean · #24 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 04

Speaking of which, we need another Soma opening set before I jet off to Montreal. May is looking promising.

mux · #25 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 04

Went to "The Gong Show" last-last weekend, and it was progressive house from 9pm-6am. In fact, I found it very difficult to dance to; waaaaaay too slow for my tastes. I enjoyed it, and the DJs were excellent, but ended up sitting down for a good portion of the party.

Progressive house, IMHO, is midnight stuff. Get people onto the floor, hit 'em a bit harder than the 10pm-12pm house guys, set 'em up for the 1am prog-breaks guy, 2am acid guy, and then at 3am, WHAMMO, the 140-150bpm rave techno. Follow up with some bangin' hard techno, then the 5am trance guy, then the 6am "epic twance" guy to wind it all down. Party.

Putting 120bpm stuff on at 3am breaks the flow of a good party, IMHO.