EXTREMELY important message about Summerlove

[cinist]

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Originally posted by Sean
I really don't see why idiots were complaining about Ferry Corsten. Christ, the only people who would have complained about that are tools that don't like trance and wouldn't have seen him anyways.

Oh well, I'll still be there.

Actually, some of us tools that don't like trance - which btw im extremelly sorry for liking my own style of music that isn't trance - just thought it was too soon to bring Ferry back is all, just wanted it mixed up even if it was another trance dj. So next time before you open your ass which operates as your mouth, think a bit... props to Twisted for listening to feedback period!

And props for keepin it goin, the "Tent of Love v3.0 - pimpin it since '97" will be in full affect... Pharcyde 'll be sweet.

aye aye and goodbye

[cinist]

if you cant beleive in the power of god just a add an O and you've got the power of good! aye captain

ohh and ya isnt all trance the same heh sorry

[ty:rone]

Originally posted by Wood



None of that stuff stopped people from going for the past 10 years, why should it now?

I think it comes down to people just being disenchanted with the whole rave phenomenon, like now that EVERYONE has experienced it, it's not worth going out of the way for anymore

true.
true.
but notice summer love 2 years ago?
it was a big difference from 3 years ago.
it just slowly started dying.
disenchanted, other factors.. wutever it be...
probably it because of going out so far.
sucks to see the scene die kuz i sure still want to see shit go on aside from clubbing to see just ONE dj and pay a rave related price.

[cinist]

bring it back to tha G-house baybah
(sing that in y0 head thanks)

[AGROculture]

Originally posted by rawb
save our scene! buy our tickets!

That was funny it really was
It sounds pretty silly but its serious, if anyone wants to see these types of shows go on they should buy tickets in advance

Its very very unlikely what happened to RN will happen to Summerlove but if it does poorly in attendance it'll be a long time before we see line ups like this again

AGROout

[Trancer]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY ALL THESE PHAT HEADLINERS ARE BEING CANCELLED, ITS REALLY PISSING ME OFF. INSTEAD OF FERRY WHO ELSE ARE WE GOING TO GET IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME. I SAW PICOTTO, AND FERRY THEY WERE UNBELIVABLE. SO WHY THE CANCELLATIONS??? BECAUSE SOME PERSON IS SAYING THEY WONT ATTRACT PEOPLE. IF THESE PEOPLE CANT ATTRACT A CROWD THEN WHO THE FUCK WILL. I HOPE THESE CANCELLATIONS WONT TURN THESE DJ'S AGAINST OUR CITY. :finger: :finger: :finger:

[Sean]

Actually, some of us tools that don't like trance - which btw im extremelly sorry for liking my own style of music that isn't trance - just thought it was too soon to bring Ferry back is all, just wanted it mixed up even if it was another trance dj. So next time before you open your ass which operates as your mouth, think a bit... props to Twisted for listening to feedback period!

Haha, YOU wanted to mix it up? Were you tired of listening to all of the ferry corsten productions that you've never heard before in your entire life?

Sorry, if you hate trance then why the hell do you CARE what the trance headliner is? I'm really failing to comprehend. If some huge jungle headliner was brought in once every other week I seriously doubt you'd see a bunch of people that couldn't care less about jungle complaining.

The point is, no one who likes trance would complain about Ferry coming back unless there was a chance to replace him with someone like Armin or PVD.

Re: tools
I couldn't care less what genre of music you like. What I could care less about is why a self-professed trance hater cares who the trance headliner is, and complains when one of the biggest names in trance worldwide is booked twice in a 3 month span (once for a club of 900 and once for a huge outdoor party).

[inkster]

the more summerlove changes... the more it stays the same.

[inkster]

Originally posted by Sean


Haha, YOU wanted to mix it up? Were you tired of listening to all of the ferry corsten productions that you've never heard before in your entire life?

you mean the one that goes all floaty, then breaks down, then goes all floaty again?

Sorry, if you hate trance then why the hell do you CARE what the trance headliner is? I'm really failing to comprehend. If some huge jungle headliner was brought in once every other week I seriously doubt you'd see a bunch of people that couldn't care less about jungle complaining.

hahaha. i love this. anyone who doesn't like trance is automatically a junglist.

The point is, no one who likes trance would complain about Ferry coming back unless there was a chance to replace him with someone like Armin or PVD.

i like trance! i hate the fluffy schlock that ferry puts out.

Re: tools
I couldn't care less what genre of music you like. What I could care less about is why a self-professed trance hater cares who the trance headliner is, and complains when one of the biggest names in trance worldwide is booked twice in a 3 month span (once for a club of 900 and once for a huge outdoor party).

twice in three months... for a city as small as vancouver, this constitutes "PLAYED OUT."

i really can't even believe this is in dispute at all.

only in vancouver...

[Sean]

Originally posted by cinist
ohh and ya isnt all trance the same heh sorry

heh ys all trance is teh same haha u r so funee

[Sean]

you mean the one that goes all floaty, then breaks down, then goes all floaty again?

Yes, that one.

hahaha. i love this. anyone who doesn't like trance is automatically a junglist.

Oh I'm sorry; I guess I misread the part where that assumption was made.

That was called "an example."

i like trance! i hate the fluffy schlock that ferry puts out.

Great! Who would a more suitable headliner for you be, and do you think that they'll be replacing Ferry with anything remotely NEAR that headliner?

twice in three months... for a city as small as vancouver, this constitutes "PLAYED OUT."

i really can't even believe this is in dispute at all.[/b]

K, I'm glad that the rave authorities in Vancouver stepped up to give me the definition of "played out." Was my mistake from the beginning =(

[Anjew]

yeah ferry may have been the biggest draw but .. think how much it costs to book him and fly him over....
Smart move. for sure. thanks for the heads up.

[Anjew]

Originally posted by Trancer
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY ALL THESE PHAT HEADLINERS ARE BEING CANCELLED, ITS REALLY PISSING ME OFF. INSTEAD OF FERRY WHO ELSE ARE WE GOING TO GET IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME. I SAW PICOTTO, AND FERRY THEY WERE UNBELIVABLE. SO WHY THE CANCELLATIONS??? BECAUSE SOME PERSON IS SAYING THEY WONT ATTRACT PEOPLE. IF THESE PEOPLE CANT ATTRACT A CROWD THEN WHO THE FUCK WILL. I HOPE THESE CANCELLATIONS WONT TURN THESE DJ'S AGAINST OUR CITY. :finger: :finger: :finger:

...... uh..... were you yelling at the computer when you typed this?

[inkster]

Originally posted by Anjew


...... uh..... were you yelling at the computer when you typed this?

i usually like to think of people talking with their mouth wide open when typing in all caps. sort of like bender.

[inkster]

Originally posted by Sean

Oh I'm sorry; I guess I misread the part where that assumption was made.

That was called "an example."

and it's always the same example too. whenever trance fans need a villia^H^H^H^H^H^Hcontrasting type of music, they always choose jungle. on the other side of things, when junglists do this, they always choose trance. kinda funny how that works out.

Great! Who would a more suitable headliner for you be, and do you think that they'll be replacing Ferry with anything remotely NEAR that headliner?

i don't know the genre well enough to have any suggestions right now. this doesn't really matter, though. i know what i like, and i don't like ferry. even if i did like ferry, i'd probably want to see someone else instead of seeing him twice in 3 months.

to which you say: "oh but but but. my friend didn't get to see ferry the first time@!##"

his fault. are promoters obligated to book djs twice in short succession just because the first time wasn't convinient for some people? this seems like an awfully large sacrifice in variety just for a few people.

K, I'm glad that the rave authorities in Vancouver stepped up to give me the definition of "played out." Was my mistake from the beginning =(

if by 'rave police' you mean 'people who have a fucking clue', then yes, you may proclaim me to be Constable Inkster of the Vancouver Rave Police.

keep in mind that even though there are only a few officers debating your wishes in this thread, there are many more. kraig's testimony that twisted received a lot of flack about ferry's 2nd booking is evidence to this.

i still can't believe this is an issue...

you do have the right to remain silent, you know, right?

[Sean]

Originally posted by inkster
and it's always the same example too. whenever trance fans need a villia^H^H^H^H^H^Hcontrasting type of music, they always choose jungle. on the other side of things, when junglists do this, they always choose trance. kinda funny how that works out.

Fair enough; I should have used a more general example. This doesn't change my point in the slightest, however.

i don't know the genre well enough to have any suggestions right now. this doesn't really matter, though. i know what i like, and i don't like ferry. even if i did like ferry, i'd probably want to see someone else instead of seeing him twice in 3 months.

That's a bold assumption. I love Ferry and would have been perfectly happy to see him twice in 3 months. Like I said, unless he's being replaced by someone just as big then myself and most other trance fans will not be nearly as happy.

to which you say: "oh but but but. my friend didn't get to see ferry the first time@!##"

Uh, no. All of my friends who like trance went to see Ferry the first time. They were also really looking forward to seeing him again.

his fault. are promoters obligated to book djs twice in short succession just because the first time wasn't convinient for some people? this seems like an awfully large sacrifice in variety just for a few people.

No, they're not obligated. Would you like to have any other hypothetical arguments based on things I didn't say or even imply? You know what they say about assumptions...

As for the "just a few people" line, I bet Ferry was a bigger draw for this party than any of the other headliners despite the fact that he was here a mere 3 months before.

if by 'rave police' you mean 'people who have a fucking clue', then yes, you may proclaim me to be Constable Inkster of the Vancouver Rave Police.

K, I guess macking on girls in the #loungex chatroom for a year gave you this authority

keep in mind that even though there are only a few officers debating your wishes in this thread, there are many more. kraig's testimony that twisted received a lot of flack about ferry's 2nd booking is evidence to this.

Forgive me for doubting that twisted received "a lot of flack" about this. As per my original point -- and the only one that really matters -- I highly doubt that any of the people complaining would have cared to see Ferry in the first place.

Now if Twisted replaces Ferry with someone like, James Holden let's say, then I'll give them props for trying something different. I highly doubt this will be the case.

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The only point to actually be made here Sean is that even if my favorite dj/band in all the world came back to town 2-3 months after they just played here - I wouldn't be excited to go and neither would most of the people who had already scene him/her/them. I might go, but definitely wouldn't be interested in spending a lot of money to hear the exact same shit I had just heard when there is so much more stuff out there. If they came back a year or two later full of new and innovative stuff that i had yet to hear live, then i would be all over that shit. This has absolutely nothing to do with trance lovers vs. haters (that junglist example is funny cauz u were using a very prominent stereotype - i don't hate trance i just hate bad music and to me MOST trance is bad), this has everthing to do with a smart business decision because they know people cared a lot the first time he came through, and this time they won't care nearly as much.

You need to understand Sean that you are basing your point on the fact that you (and maybe a couple friends) would spend the money to go see him twice in a row but most people wouldn't and it just doesn't make sense from a promoters perspective.

[Sean]

Originally posted by pbreak
i don't care anyway cause as per our longwinded discussion a long time ago i hate trance...

That was from a previous thread; verbatim.

But thank you on behalf of those of us who do enjoy trance for complaining about a headliner we were all looking forward to seeing.

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did you even read what i just wrote? you and like 4-5 other people are the only ones unhappy enough about this cancellation to post and you are the only one to continue bitching. I (amongst others) was merely trying to give Kraig and Twisted some feedback (from a fellow promoter) so that they might throw what I think would be a better all around show - diversity is a wonderful thing. Is it alright with you that we have different opinions and that i wasn't thinking of you and your friends when I "complained".. did you ever think that Kraig and Twisted might have gotten a LOT more feedback then just from this one website... i would have to imagine so to cancel one of their headliners. Either way they obviously had their reasons now fukin live with it.

and if you're so pissed that Ferry isn't coming, why don't you put the money up yourself and bring him out yourself - then you can test all of our theories above and prove who is right, wouldn't that be fun. oh, but that wouldn't work out cause if we were risking YOUR life savings it's a whole different story. There are so many factors involved in bringing this level of talent out that you just don't have a clue about so fukin drop it and be excited about it the next time he comes out...

[Sean]

I'm a little upset that Ferry isn't coming because he was my main draw for the party. My original post was not made to show my displeasure with that decision.

What I'm more upset about -- and what my post was about in the first place -- is people COMPLAINING about one of the biggest DJs in the world being booked twice in the span of 3 months. Especially when said people aren't even interested in trance in the first place.

There are so many factors involved in bringing this level of talent out that you just don't have a clue about so fukin drop it and be excited about it the next time he comes out...

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K, thanks for coming out.

[Senior]

Ferry Corsten = Asian ravers

Outdoor Party = No Asian ravers

Ferry Corsten at outdoor party = big waste of money

He'd be perfect to sell out a Plaza show but not in Chilliwack. Fact is I haven't seen more than 2 rice rockets at a party in Chilliwack since 2 Nasty.

Maybe people don't want to hear it but it's true. This way they can spend the money on better production or some talented artists =)

[Sean]

Yeah, for sure.

Again, my point was not that they shouldn't have cancelled Ferry Corsten if they had legitimate business reasons to do. I was simply baffled by their claim that they were getting flack for booking one of the biggest names in the world twice in a 3 month span.

Either way, props for bringing out Rank1 and The Thrillseekers. I'm pretty sure these are both acts that would have never made it out here were it not for this party.

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Originally posted by Sean
I'm a little upset that Ferry isn't coming because he was my main draw for the party. My original post was not made to show my displeasure with that decision.

What I'm more upset about -- and what my post was about in the first place -- is people COMPLAINING about one of the biggest DJs in the world being booked twice in the span of 3 months. Especially when said people aren't even interested in trance in the first place.



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K, thanks for coming out.

Sean, it seems pretty obvious to me that you don't know how to actually listen or understand what other people are saying - if you actually understood what i said you would have known that no one was ever COMPLAINING - I just like to see diversity no matter how BIG the fukin name is, i made that absolutely clear 5 posts ago but you still don't get it - you don't care that other people are allowed their own opinion which doesn't agree with yours and live in disbelief that people who like trance might not like Ferry Corsten simply because he is such a big name. Say whatever smartass comment you want or rehash the same shit you've rehashed everytime since your first post, im done here because you are a waste of my time.

And i find it funny that you quote the last half of that paragraph but not the part about YOU actually putting your money were your ass (i mean mouth) is.

[Sean]

I didn't quote that part of your post because I failed to see how the hell it related to anything I've talked about. What the hell does ME not bringing Ferry Corsten into town have anything to do with my complaining about the complainers that got him axed?

Maybe I've forgotten or something, but I don't recall trashing Twisted for not bringing Ferry in anymore. If they can't afford to bring him in, or whatever, then that's fine.

Back to the topic at hand:

Ferry Corsten (this was based on feedback from people in regards to booking Ferry again so quickly...

That was from Kraig's initial post. Forgive me for wondering who the hell in their right mind that actually gives a shit about ferry corsten would ask for someone different.

I'm one of a handful of people on this BOARD that has been unhappy enough to voice my opinion. Why don't you check out tranceaddict.com and see how many of the western canadians there are saying "Wow I sure am glad they cancelled Ferry Corsten for the sake of diversity and replaced him with someone that's half as good as far as we're concerned!" Ferry Corsten is a name that a lot of relatively clueless people will recognize, and it's these relatively clueless people that make up the nucleus of rave-goers.

I fully understand your point of diversity. In your own words, however, you "couldn't care less", so I wonder why you felt the need to voice your opinion on the matter. I COULD have cared less about Ferry being here, and I'm upset that Twisted have cancelled him based on "feedback" they've received by people like yourself.