The irony of Kanye

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i don't think you know the actual definition of "ironic"

now THAT is ironic

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by omega_image

what aspect of his skill level do you find lacking?

mmm, maybe wrong choice of words. His music doesn't appeal to me, but not much pop music does. It probably has less to do with him lacking skill, and more to do with me having conflicting tastes in what good music is.

His production is on point, just isn't my taste - it all feels very plasticky and soulless. His lyrics are typical pop music fluff, but I am sure that's what he's going for because that's what sells. I guess thats what I meant by he's a better businessman than musician. But all of that can be argued about until the cows come home since art is subjective.

the only song I really liked of his was gold digger.. but I think that had more to do with me just being a fan of the Ray Charles sample and less to do with Kanye.

[dj_soo]

huge fan on kanye here - just for his personality. Actually, I like his character more than his actual music.

He reminds me of Ric Flair.

[omega_image]

i've never had an issue with kanye. but then again, i've never really looked at him to be the best producer, mc, etc.

his appeal to me has come from his overall message. he's always stuck to what he's been about, and has always had an open mind.

one of his key quotes is "i'd rather be hated for what i am, than loved for what i'm not". to me, that quote sums it all up. he knows people love to hate him, and he plays it up better than anyone that i've lived to see.

just as soo stated, he's basically that mega superstar villain, except his audience is a lot larger than the wwe fan base.

[omega_image]

to add to my previous post, i fucking love kanye.

[veN]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i don't think you know the actual definition of "ironic"

Neither did Alanis.

Point is, we get what she means. Right?

[dj_soo]

^ but that was the ultimate irony right there - a song called "ironic" where none of the examples of irony were actually ironic?

Hipsters would be proud if it had been ironic to enjoy alanis at the time...

[Disco_Whore]

^Do you honestly think so? I think it was actually Alanis' only way to save face. (Particularly since 1 of her ironic situations is actually ironic. If NONE of them were, I might buy that theory)

[dj_soo]

pffft... alanis' genius will be vindicated sooner or later.

[veN]

Terence, my Karma was for the Hipster part of your comment. I Lol'd.

[Billy Shears]

Kanye West is like a 12 year old Canadian Puff Daddy

[Senior]

lets focus on what's really important here, Justice is amazing!

Maybe 'irony' by its self was not the best solo word to use... I should of fit in hypocrite in there, but then again that doesn't really fit either? Face it Kanye is such a confusing ball of ego and drama, that any word in the dictionary could be used to describe him.

The big picture is not irony, but I do find it ironic how after dissing a video justice did in 2006, Kanye than gets a same director of Justice's video in 2007. Last year you dist their video and this year your getting the same director.

No the videos are not connected in an ironic way, but the relationship Kanye has with Justice's video history is.

And for those of you who never bothered to look up ironic in a dictionary because you memorized Alanis Morsette's song "ironic":

Irony: irony - Definitions from Dictionary.com

1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

2.Literature. a.a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. b.(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.

3.Socratic irony.

4.dramatic irony.

5.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

6.the incongruity of this.

7.an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.

8.an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

[Larry King]

I have never understood the Iowa caucus.









Yours sincerely,
Larry King

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Maybe 'irony' by its self was not the best solo word to use... I should of fit in hypocrite in there, but then again that doesn't really fit either? Face it Kanye is such a confusing ball of ego and drama, that any word in the dictionary could be used to describe him.

The big picture is not irony, but I do find it ironic how after dissing a video justice did in 2006, Kanye than gets a same director of Justice's video in 2007. Last year you dist their video and this year your getting the same director.

No the videos are not connected in an ironic way, but the relationship Kanye has with Justice's video history is.

And for those of you who never bothered to look up ironic in a dictionary because you memorized Alanis Morsette's song "ironic":

Irony: irony - Definitions from Dictionary.com

1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

2.Literature. a.a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. b.(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.

3.Socratic irony.

4.dramatic irony.

5.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

6.the incongruity of this.

7.an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.

8.an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

still don't see it really - he got pissy over the video for We Are Your Friends winning over his and sure took the oppourtunity to create a scene, but flat out states (in the video you posted yourself) that the video for D.A.N.C.E. is brilliant - hence probably geting the same dude to make it.

i see no hypocracy there. I see an oppourtunist sure, but not a hypocryte.

[UPCHUK PARK]

DON'T MATTER IF WHITE GIRL LOVE OR HATE KANYE. KANYE STILL REIGN SUPREME.

HE TAKE SHIT YOU LIKE AND FUCK WITH IT TO CREATE "KANYE SHIT". YOU THEN LOVE OR HATE "KANYE SHIT". EITHER WAY "KANYE SHIT" ON EVERYONE MIND.

Originally Posted by dj_soo

still don't see it really - he got pissy over the video for We Are Your Friends winning over his and sure took the oppourtunity to create a scene, but flat out states (in the video you posted yourself) that the video for D.A.N.C.E. is brilliant - hence probably geting the same dude to make it.

i see no hypocracy there. I see an oppourtunist sure, but not a hypocryte.

But than I dont completely see hypocracy or oppourtunist? I don't think there is a one solid answer to really describe this senareo or comparison... Many see my point and than many have seen a whole different issue with comparing the videos.
Overall I think it's just kinda interesting with what has all gone on. Your thoughts?

[omega_image]

did we not just provide 2 pages of our thoughts?

[LEEROY CHANG!!]

THIS IS GREAT

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

His lyrics are typical pop music fluff,

Mmm.... I disagree. I consider his lyrics to be in the "good" range, and when you compare him to his top 40 contemporaries, he blows them out of the water.

[Grapes]

Excellent flow, too.. something which a lot of two-bit, no-talent MCs don't seem to have a handle on these days.

[miss.myra]

big fat MEH on Kanye West. His voice annoys the hell out of me, his attitude is even worse, and his need to create stupid phony beef to sell albums makes him no different than 50 cent in my mind.

don't get me wrong, there is tons of commercial rap artists that have had drama in their time that I love..I'm just not feeling kanye. Not feeling his flow, or his lyrics, or whatever hot artist of the week he's sampled in his newest beat (but I'm so out of the loop I've never even HEARD justice..)

New wu album is dropping soon. Now THAT is hot.

but to each their own.

[Wood]

^he's playin it safe too, i mean beef with Justice? not much chance of a drive-by there...

[Billy Shears]

Originally Posted by Billy Shears

Kanye West is like a 12 year old Canadian Puff Daddy

lol, I got bad karma for this. Let me correct it...

The difference is that Puff Daddy (or Diddy, or Donkey, or whatever he's going by these days) models his persona after Donald Trump, while Kanye seems to base his style and persona on your average pompous, 20-something trendy hipster prick.

[Grapes]

Bad karma again, you're not sounding any smarter.

You've now explained a difference between them, but you still haven't given a reason to compare them in the first place, other than they're both black, rich, and hip hop stars.