robert pickton guilty

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by Grapes

but I'm glad the second degree murder charges stuck to Pickton despite the questionable character of the main witnesses.

so am I

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by dabbler

unfortunately he may get off in the end of they declare a mistrial because of the judges mistake. Anyone who knows better, please pipe in but I'm fairly certain a mistrial means they can try him once more but only if they can find enough jurors who have never heard the story in the media before. As that is unlikely, then one mistrial might mean him getting off on the first 6 charges.

Can they really call a trial that has just concluded a mistrial??

And what is the mistake you keep referring to?

[Alex]

^ the judge changed(corrected) his advice to the jurors, causing confusion.

[ebbomega]

They can appeal, as always. But I dunno. The fact that the confusion was clarified prior to the jurors concluding their deliberations puts a strong case against mistrial. At any rate, he begins his sentence throughout the appeal proceedings and is off the streets for now, exactly where he needs to be imho.

The judge correcting his advice wasn't causing confusion, it was clarifying it. The jurors came to him and said that they didn't understand his instruction, judge apologized and restated his instructions. This all happened before they finished their deliberations, so any appeal will be against the re-explanation of the instructions. Kind of sounds to me like the judge may very well have just completely avoided a decent chance at appeal, but ianal.

[dabbler]

dude... 6 days into the deliberations by the jury the judge had call back the jury to correct himself on his instructions as to the law and how to decide on verdict.

[ebbomega]

No, the jury went back to the judge and asked him a question. In answering their question he realized that he had given them faulty instructions. He apologized for his mistake and admitted it. Wouldn't you rather he discovered that before they handed down their guilty verdict?

[b0ld]

What strikes me is based on the jury's question about question number 3 which was "Was William Pickton the person who killed the victim?". They asked whether if they are able to say "yes" if they think he acted indirectly.... It got changed around. But given that question it seems like the jury believed that there were others involved... Which is probably one of the main factors as to why he was convicted of 2nd degree murder.

After all his brother and sister also owned the land as well. And the fact that there were countless parties out there and what not... There is no doubt that it wasn't just willy pickton who was involved with this.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

yes, the jury went back to the judge and asked him a question. In answering their question he realized that he had given them faulty instructions. He apologized for his mistake and admitted it. Wouldn't you rather he discovered that before they handed down their guilty verdict?

fixed


and yes I would, but that will be what defense will use on the appeal

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by b0ld

What strikes me is based on the jury's question about question number 3 which was "Did William Pickton the person who killed the victim?".

What strikes me is that question is like something a recent immigrant would write.

[ebbomega]

and yes I would, but that will be what defense will use on the appeal

Yeah, but provided he was clear the second time around they won't have a case.

(I was correcting you on saying the judge called the jury back to correct himself. They called him back)

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Yeah, but provided he was clear the second time around they won't have a case.

(I was correcting you on saying the judge called the jury back to correct himself. They called him back)

i suppose so, kinda both ways as he took hours to answer the question and then called them back to correct himself on his original instructions. I suppose you are correct as they did it first but holy semantics batman

[AGROculture]

Anyone remember my arty "Brush your Teeth" We originally lost Riverside and we ended up doing it last minute in the theatre and lobby of the Plaza of Nations then some warehouse.

Well before we got Plaza, and before Pikton was arrested. We were talking to Dave Pikton about throwing the party there. There was some venue called Piggy's Palace. At the last minute Dave Pikton said he didn't want kids meddling around on his property and abruptly cancelled it.

Thank God! That would've been creepy!

[dabbler]

i know someone who went to an after party on his farm. srsly

[tiedye]

I'm shocked. He was just a little misunderstood, that's all.

[DefJef]

Pork Coquitlam

[KrisisID]

Originally Posted by AGROculture

Anyone remember my arty "Brush your Teeth" We originally lost Riverside and we ended up doing it last minute in the theatre and lobby of the Plaza of Nations then some warehouse.

Well before we got Plaza, and before Pikton was arrested. We were talking to Dave Pikton about throwing the party there. There was some venue called Piggy's Palace. At the last minute Dave Pikton said he didn't want kids meddling around on his property and abruptly cancelled it.

Thank God! That would've been creepy!

what the fuck... yeah it would have been.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by AGROculture

Anyone remember my arty "Brush your Teeth" We originally lost Riverside and we ended up doing it last minute in the theatre and lobby of the Plaza of Nations then some warehouse.

Well before we got Plaza, and before Pikton was arrested. We were talking to Dave Pikton about throwing the party there. There was some venue called Piggy's Palace. At the last minute Dave Pikton said he didn't want kids meddling around on his property and abruptly cancelled it.

Thank God! That would've been creepy!

That is messed up man.

... You're not BSing are you?

[ebbomega]

Pickton given maximum sentence

no chance of parole for 25 years.

Time to see if he appeals...

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Pickton given maximum sentence

no chance of parole for 25 years.

Time to see if he appeals...

he's already served 6 years... so really he has 19 years left.

[impure]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Pickton given maximum sentence

no chance of parole for 25 years.

Time to see if he appeals...

i think canada should follow the US in making a life sentance, just that, LIFE.
this whole 25 yr deal is bullshit.
i mean, look at this guy, he might be out on the streets in 19 years!

[FireWire]

^ Ya my exact thoughts too.

[dabbler]

^^^ life sentence means exactly what it means. LIFE. 25 years here just means it's 25 years before the person can apply for parole.

[dabbler]

Myths and Realities of the NPB


A life sentence means life. Lifers will never again enjoy total freedom.
Offenders, convicted of first-degree murder, serve life as a minimum sentence with their first parole eligibility set by law at 25 years. For offenders convicted of second-degree murder, the judge may set parole eligibility at a point between 10 and 25 years.
Lifers can only be released from prison if granted parole by the Board. Unlike most inmates who are serving a sentence of fixed length, i.e. 2, 10, or 20 years, lifers are not entitled to statutory release. If granted parole they will, for the rest of their lives, remain subject to the conditions of parole and the supervision of a parole officer. Parole may be revoked and offenders returned to prison at any time if they violate the conditions of parole or commit a new offence.
Not all lifers will be granted parole. Some may never be released on parole because they continue to represent too great a risk to re-offend.

[tiedye]

Hence why they call it '25 to life.'

[impure]

the fact that he will be allowed to apply for parole is retarded though. i think. even though the chances of him being granted parole are pretty much nil.
the US has a system like that, but they also have a LIFE sentence.

will he be serving his sentences consecutively or concurrently? (sp)