male djs vs. female djs

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

ok I'm out of the loop but a girl got signed for producing and her first track is gunna be released but she hasn't even made any yet??

I've made like 150-200 by now, and I'm JUST finally getting on proper labels n' shit

I have seen groups of like engineers and producers making tracks for peope, and they give their input on what to change or whatever.. and the track becomes "theirs" ..... im sorry but thats fuckin lame, if you can't produce and engineer yourself, don't call the track yours and take credit!!!!!

I heard this has been done with certain other people but I'm not gunna comment too much..

dood.

post up some links....

[b0ld]

I think that Shy FX made a great decision by signing up b.traits even though she hasn't produced a track. Why??? its called marketing/selling. I think its also a new approach and quite possibly a much needed change for DNB as to accepting females in the genre. How many females can you name that has made it big in DNB??.. The only one I can think of is DJ Rap, but now you don't hear about her as much at all.

The whole "Digital Soundboy" thing has also been washed out to be honest so its a great new approach.
The last time I saw b.trait's was last year when Noisia came to town. I was impressed because she has improved alot. I couldn't notice any flaws in here mix at all. Sure she has the looks but she also has skill. And I think its to early for anyone to assume whether if she is indeed working on a track or not.

Now when it comes down the argument between male dj's vs female dj's as a whole... In the end female dj's could out play male dj's if they really wanted to. Why? well the true fact that females have a faster reaction time then males and pay attention alot better. To give you an example... I was involved in a drag racing team a few years ago and after witnessing and talking to other pit crews and drivers who have been involved in racing for decades and have traveled all over the place and the one thing that was agreed upon and is on paper. And that is that females are faster off the line then any male out there. So of course it would also consist to attention to detail.

But do you see alot of females racing and making it big? No... Because its mainly dominated by males. The same thing go's with DJ'ing...

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by Revolver

word!....were was she at jungle bells???

out of town unfortunately

[rawb]

IF YOU HAVE THE DRIVE TO GET AHEAD, A GIRL HAS A HUGE ADVANTAGE WITH THE SEX FACTOR. IT IS HOW IT IS, A MALE AUDIENCE WILL NOTICE A PRETTY FACE. WITH JUNGLE BEING SUCH AN INCESTUOUS DOGPILE OF "I HAVE THIS TRACK AND YOU DONT", A CHICK WITH A VIP REMIX IS MILES AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE.

THE GIRL WILL ALWAYS HAS AN EASIER TIME GETTING SHINE. THEY DONT NEED TO BE A GREAT PRODUCER OR TECHNICALLY FLAWLESS, WHICH TAKES YEARS. RIGHT OUT THE GATE AS SOON AS A GIRL REACHES A LEVEL ABOVE "BEDROOM DJ" THEY CAN MARKET THEMSELVES, WHILE THERE WILL BE DOZENS OF DUDES OF THE SAME PROFICIENCY ON THE DECKS WHO WILL NEVER STAND OUT.

BUT, THAT GIRL WILL HAVE TO BE TWICE AS GOOD AS A DJ AS THE NEXT GUY ON THEIR SAME LEVEL TO BE CONSIDERED AN EQUAL. THEY WILL BE FOREVER PLAGUED BY THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE FANS WHO LIKE THEM BASED PURELY ON LOOKS (UNLESS THEY'RE UGLY, BUT THERE ARE NO UGLY GIRL DJS LOL).

IM NOT SAYING BRI IS A GOOD OR BAD DJ, BUT IM SAYING I KNOW PEOPLE IN VANCOUVER WHO CAN SPIN AS WELL AS HER AND HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE PRODUCING, BUT LOOK SHITTY IN A HEADSHOT OR FASHION SHOOT.

IS IT FAIR TO SLIGHT A FEMALE DJ THOUGH? I DON'T KNOW. TO BE FAIR, I DON'T KNOW AS MANY DJS WHO'VE BEEN SPINNING FOR 2 YEARS WITH NO PRODUCTIONS WITH THAT MANY PHOTOSHOOT SHOTS AS BRI. IT IS AN ANGLE THAT SHE IS OBVIOUSLY PLAYING UP, AND IN MY MIND WHEN PEOPLE ARE CRITICAL OF HER "BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL" ITS WARRANTED. ITS GOTTEN HER GIGS ALL OVER THE PLACE, BASED PURELY ON "OMG GIRL DJ LOL", AND IM SURE SHES OKAY WITH THAT. o

[rawb]

Originally Posted by b0ld

The last time I saw b.trait's was last year when Noisia came to town. I was impressed because she has improved alot. I couldn't notice any flaws in here mix at all. Sure she has the looks but she also has skill. And I think its to early for anyone to assume whether if she is indeed working on a track or not.

HEY I HAVENT TRAINWRECKED ANY OF MY MUSIC IN A LONG TIME WHEN IS TIMBALAND GOING TO SIGN ME AND GET ME A PRODUCTION DEAL? OH WAIT NEVER BECAUSE I DONT HAVE TITS AND I LOOK A BIT HOMELESS. IF FLAWLESS MIXING IS THE PRECURSOR TO GETTING ON SOME RECORDS THEN THERES THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF GREAT PRODUCERS OUT THERE.

[ebbomega]

echo "$long_rawb_post" | sed -e "s.GIRL.HOT\ GIRL.ig"

[NinjaBoy]

I'm going to look like an ass for saying this, but by and large female musicans aren't as good. I haven't seen a ton of Female Dj's that have really blown me away.

But in terms of other genres of music, the female musician is a pain in the ass. Their technical skills are never really as good, and they rarely succeed on skill alone. How many kick ass female guitarists are there? How many kick ass female drummers?

Whenever I have played in a band, the female musician is always the one that is the least skilled and isn't able to take critisisms. I played in a group who had a few female members in the past, but they had always led to trouble. In the end the band had made a no girls rule.

Obviously there are some exceptions to the rule, but they are rare.

Doing good music is fucking hard. It takes years of being terrible. Guys by and large seem to be able to handle suffering more then women. Making it big in music is a very male fantasy as well.

[dj_soo]

try classical music - the most "technical" music style out there that takes years and years of dedication (think 8-10 hours of practice a day, every day).

There are plenty of female practitioners of various instruments that are on equal footing as men and garner the recognition for it. So basically the whole "women can't handle the pressure/don't have the dedication/can't compete techinically" is pretty moot.

Especially this whole "technical djing" argument because, unless you're doing high-level scratching shit, beatmixing and electronic music djing is really not that hard in the big picture.

[Kraig]

Interesting thread...

Bri is passionate and determined about DnB. That shows clear in her dedication as a DJ, sticking with the genre, honing her skills on that genre and networking/promoting herself proper and with dignity. ShyFX is clearly a pioneer in his field and sees an opportunity here... he also knows talent and that same dedication/passion that he has. Why not work with someone like that, coach and bring them up to a level where they can produce on their own. I agree with Dabbler/Soo that because she is an attractive person, that did help in the matter... the fact she is a technically sound DJ takes it up several levels and makes her a "double threat." All that's missing is the production component which is coming, which will make her a lethal triple threat.

Best of luck Bri... keep doing what you're doing - criticism like this comes with success and frankly, should be expected. Your passion and skills which will keep growing as you mature as a DJ and soon to be producer will frankly shut a lot of this stuff up... Even after all of that though, you will still have those criticizing... and that's all good. :-)

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

try classical music - the most "technical" music style out there that takes years and years of dedication (think 8-10 hours of practice a day, every day).

There are plenty of female practitioners of various instruments that are on equal footing as men and garner the recognition for it. So basically the whole "women can't handle the pressure/don't have the dedication/can't compete techinically" is pretty moot.

Yes there are plenty. But there are waaaayyyyy more male musicians.

Trust me, I've played in orchestras, and bands. While it's not so obvious in orchestras, your usual band make up is heavily males.

[dj_soo]

i've played in plenty of orchestras and the male/female ratio usually seems even. I took classical lessons for 15 years and the male/female ratio for my teachers was pretty even. I used to go to many concerts and the male/female ratio in the orchestras was pretty even. My mother taught national comp-level piano for 25 years and her male female ratio of students pretty had the edge for females.

Bands - whatever - it's always been pretty male dominated, but that's more due to social pressuring that an inability to "keep up" with males on a technical level.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i've played in plenty of orchestras and the male/female ratio usually seems even. I took classical lessons for 15 years and the male/female ratio for my teachers was pretty even. I used to go to many concerts and the male/female ratio in the orchestras was pretty even. My mother taught national comp-level piano for 25 years and her male female ratio of students pretty had the edge for females.

Agreed, I've found that there a slightly more men, especially when you get to the more eclectic instruments.

Bands - whatever - it's always been pretty male dominated, but that's more due to social pressuring that an inability to "keep up" with males on a technical level.

I believe this is more relevant to the thread though. And I agree it's a more social thing. Women have no problem keeping up. But it's a social thing. Guys are more into the image of a band, than girls are. Thus you have more men going into it, although most will suck it still means there will be a lot more skilled male musicians.

[ebbomega]

Let's just chalk this one up to male ego, k kids? Guys like being rockstars.

What easier way to become a rockstar than to learn how to beatmatch and play cheeseball anthems? Hence, a lot of male DJs.

[dj_soo]

edit: for ninja boy

^ sure, but I'm just against the notion that somehow men are innately more "technically gifted" than women. If anything, women are supposed to have faster reaction times and should be able to outperform men. It's not like playing an instrument requires more strength or something...

And DJing? The notion that men can have an innate edge on beatmatching (which lets face it, that's the only real "technical" thing you do when you dj electronic music - everything else is just knowledge) is laughable.

[dj_soo]

btw, i think rawb pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[.Promoter]

i look at this from a different approach.. im on my way to being hammered right now, and i only felt like reading the 1st 3/4 of page one.. so sorry if im repeating..

But i think the problem is that there are simply not that many girls out there who spin. They are still such a minority behind the decks that they are therefore hard to find at events. And that means that there are even fewer good female djs out there. So you only have a handful of female Djs making a name for themselves, and they are either really hot and mediocer, or really good, or sometimes both.

Think about it. How many male djs out there do you know? Probably well over 50, and i bet you at least half of them suck balls. And those are probably better known guys. Theres still tons of house party djs and home djs and that that never make it anywhere because they suck so much. But from this massive pool youve probably got about a 1000 to 1 ratio at least of male to female djs, which is why its so hard to find true women talent.

And then even if they are good, they still have a hard time getting taken seriously because theres just so few women djs that there is still a prejudice against them.

Anyways thats what i think. I dont think gender really makes a difference, its all in the numbers.

*Edit*

but i do agree with rawb, it is much easier for a mediocer female dj to market herself well. (i went back and read the 3rd page as well)

[dj_soo]

^ I think there's a prejudice against girl DJs due to people like this:



or this:



or this:



Many whom, by all accounts and reviews, can't mix or DJ to save their lives but get plenty of high-profile gigs simple due to their titties.

[.Promoter]

well yeah thats because chicks can ALWAYS sell sex, in every single field... even buisness... so thats something men simply need to get used to. But there just arnt enough good female djs around due to the lack of numbers of female djs period to actually make a reaosnable force off good female djs to be recon'd with

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

edit: for ninja boy

^ sure, but I'm just against the notion that somehow men are innately more "technically gifted" than women. If anything, women are supposed to have faster reaction times and should be able to outperform men. It's not like playing an instrument requires more strength or something...

And DJing? The notion that men can have an innate edge on beatmatching (which lets face it, that's the only real "technical" thing you do when you dj electronic music - everything else is just knowledge) is laughable.

I believe it is more about the difference in rhythm. for the most part girls (obviously) dance better than guys, but beat matching is a lot different. Reaction time or not, I've yet to see a female dj that can beat match at lets say.. the same level as Tyler Stadius. Most guys can't even do it, but there definitely are some. I understand that reaction time (or ability to focus) helps, but thats only one part of it

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by dabbler

I believe it is more about the difference in rhythm. for the most part girls (obviously) dance better than guys, but beat matching is a lot different. Reaction time or not, I've yet to see a female dj that can beat match at lets say.. the same level as Tyler Stadius. Most guys can't even do it, but there definitely are some. I understand that reaction time (or ability to focus) helps, but thats only one part of it

Still don't buy it at all. Beatmatching is a learned skill that comes naturally to some, but really isn't all that difficult compared to other musical techniques and I can't see it being an innate "male" ability. For instance, locally, I'd say someone like ill-esha can match and hold beats pretty damn quickly compared to most guys I've seen DJ.

Sure it requires concentration but it's not like we're talking a 100 metre sprint and all. And if a woman can play something like Rachmaninov's 3rd piano concerto flawlessly with practice then I'd be hard pressed to think that a woman can't get two songs of roughly the same tempo, that were written and designed to be mixed, in time using a pitch slider with enough practice.

I think the reason you may not see it as much is more socialization - how many girl DJs do you think get to a certain level and get less criticism simply due to the fact that they are a girl? Generally in this male-dominated industry (especially dnb) women are either are held at a lower standard or people overrate their ability to their faces simply because they're trying to get in her pants. This may be why some girl DJs plateau at a certain level - they get the bookings due to their looks, they get their following, and they feel they don't need to push it any further... (same could be said about some guy DJs in a right-place/right-time scenario but that's fewer and farther between). Either that or some girl DJs see hot chicks who don't have as much talent get ahead and think "why bother with technical skill? I'll just wear this tube top..."

[rawb]

UGLYGIRLDJPICS.COM IS GOING TO BE MAD PORN NICHE MARKET $$$ FOR ME o

[-evil-duerr-]

beatmatching is like drawing a line for a cartoonist.

doesnt make them a good cartoonist, but they SHOULD know how to draw a line!

[Grapes]

I told Illesha she should get in here and do some damage, she looked at me like I was an idiot :D

[dj_soo]

I think illesha is one of the best dj/producers in the city - female or otherwise. If anyone deserves a spot on a big label, it's her.

[ebbomega]

I agree wholeheartedly. Between DJ skill, vocal skill and production talent, very few people in Van are anywhere near her. Plus hot to boot.