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Jul 02, 08
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LOLS@ secrete societies compared to the neo-cons. 
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Jul 02, 08
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Saying that secret societies are responsible for all the events they are given credit for over the internet is pretty ludicrous. It basically puts forward the idea that these groups are infallible. Over their hundreds of years of existence:
They have managed to control the outcome of major historical events without being exposed? If this is the case then it is the most organized, well run group in the history of mankind. With no infighting, and seemingly psychic powers of deduction. As we've all seen, the direction and intelligence of a group diminishes the more people you add to it.
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Jul 02, 08
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that shits ridic.
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Jul 02, 08
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while there are secret societies out there, they are of a magickal order ... they are more interested in the control of people in a psychic sense, not geo-political, which happens to be a by product of what they're trying to do ... all this will sound pretty crazy for someone who only believes in a physical world, which i understand, for many seeing is believing, but it still doesn't change whats going on
if you look at the world though, we are headed into a dark age, we are controlled by desires and lust and fear through are media outlets ... conspiracy theories are gonna pop up, there are people out there who are paranoid and it's a market worth tapping into/exploiting/white washing humanity is interesting shape shifting lizards are not
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Jul 02, 08
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you'd learn that they are indeed falable and there have been many schisms like the emergence of the bravarian illuminati during the late 18th century enlightenment movement yes they are completly exposed and are well known to anyone who is willing to investigate the information. the united sates of america is founded on masonic principles first and foremost. the cornerstone of the washington monument,the statue of liberty,layed by the freemasons. great seal of the united states,freemasons. i could cite all day long but im not going to. information is there. trace the freemasons back and you are lead to the templar knights and knights of malta with vatican connections and the crontrol of,still to this day, of the single largest fortune this planet has EVER seen. kights templars take their roots from the gnostics and early christians. gnotics and early christians take alot of their teachings from mystery schools form egypt, central and east asia. masonic,illuminati,templar,vatican,bilde rberg,hells fire,OTO,on and on and on. BOOKS have been written on these topics and the societies that study them since the first sumerians/babylonian priests scribed glyphs into walls. i dont see where the big hoopla is over all this stuff. it all seems to be so basic. what irks me is people like P.A.R.T.Y spouting off that whole "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" thing...wich just turns people off to a incredibly fascinating and integral segment of society we all belong to the rothchilds and the usuray system anyways. spoonfeeding people consipiracy garbage is a extremely effective and efficient way to breed alienation in people. Last edited by Revolver; Jul 02, 08 at 01:19 PM. Reason: added last line of the rothschilds part.
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Jul 02, 08
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our* media outlets ... god i'm a newb
one other thing, the way i wrote what i did .. secret societies aren't concerned with politics and should be divided from old boys clubs like masons, the only reason conspiracy theories connected them is that at higher degrees of masonic initiation kabbalistic rituals are employed, but most masons are not like that , they're just in there to get that promotion at work more easily or to charge their speeding ticket to the lodge
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Jul 02, 08
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me and jim are heading to the pitch and put later on this early evening!..i have a extra set of clubs if you need or this saturday. lookin forward to it. and i enjoyed those links you sent me about the moonlandings. EXCELLENT information in those articles. i can't help but be completely absorbed by both parties in that disscussion....anyways we'll talk about that IRL.
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Jul 02, 08
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Jul 02, 08
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Teutonic Zionism Maritime Admiralty Law ....chances are you've never heard about any of these terms, there's a good reason for that. It's shrouded with paranoia and misinformation, good luck on finding any decent sources. *** What irks me most about conspiracy culture (besides people doing it for personal valor and all the crackpots) is that many people's skepticism is more psychological then logical. The debate is more psychological then anything really, no matter what side of the fence you're on. I have to say studying the fringe has sparked more interest in that field for me...as understanding the individual and group mind is key to understanding such topics as in the subject header. I've dealt with many here that find a fairly convincing rebuttal to whatever fringe topic being debated/argued ... and then write off any investigating because at that point 'its not worth their time'. Fact is, there may be an even more convincing counter point, but it doesn't matter to an audience that doesn't want to hear it. This is how great lies and great evil can and does span the globe. Conspiracies are psychological. People believe television. People believe newspapers...people are willing to take someone else's word on what's going on, and most people aren't willing to challenge the status quo. Power doesn't ask for permission....and the fact is society IS controlled. It is arrogant to think that the sheer amount of organization that has happened in this society was done without a structured power to guide it on its way. We all know there are people out there with untold amounts of cash and that cash gives them near absolute power. It's been like this in every era of human civilization (civilization NOT history). Ask why there's been no audit for the fed, no one knows who they are besides them and their minions. It's not a conspiracy on the global level...on the global level it's just business as usual. Those who know, know. Those who say they know, don't. I have more questions then answers, I know shit all. I am surprised though how much more I know compared to the average person, and how it's obvious with the amount of mediums there are in media to keep us entertained and to dumb us down and keep us in an infantile state. People deserve to be fucked over as a whole, because they assume they know, when all we know is what we're told. Those that don't settle for answers but are determined to find the proverbial 'truth', are often met with cruelty...it has been the case all throughout history. TLDR version:  JordanMaxwell.com
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Jul 03, 08
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Be careful to claim you know something as a fact without any hard evidence, but is only based on the suspicions of others. It's a guaranteed path to ignorance. Anecdotal evidence is what you seem to present. I find it difficult to take your arguments at face value. I believe you've had issues with religions in the past. You are presenting your arguments in the same way they do. Purely on faith. You present a notion. That what we know is wrong. Our perceptions of the world around us are incorrect. We should change our perceptions based on writings you forward us. Writings without hard evidence to back them up. Conspiracies are psychological. People believe television. People believe newspapers...people are willing to take someone else's word on what's going on, and most people aren't willing to challenge the status quo. This is a faith based argument. Like religion, I should be willing to change my perception of the world because you, and people writing the same beliefs as you have faith in them, nothing more? Much of the reasoning you use, can be used to justify Christianity. I'm unwilling to do so, therefore I am ignorant. I apologize, and am unwilling to change my perceptions based on works with no evidence published on the internet. I've enjoyed reading up on conspiracies in the past, but require more then an anecdote to change my opinion. Trying to change my perception by posting the same writings as "facts" isn't going to change my opinion, nor most people's. Last edited by NinjaBoy; Jul 03, 08 at 01:02 AM.
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Jul 03, 08
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I remember writing that pretty clearly. I know what I'm told, and I know what I tell myself I know, and I know most what I get my hands into. You only really know something that you do yourself, and even then there's a biased. Quote:
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I must admit you're fairly crafty at playing devil's advocate, it's too bad that in doing so you can entirely miss the point. Quote:
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I simply shine a light to a corner you ignore, and have too many times here made it too bright, so you look away. Besides being incorrect at how I see your views as incorrect, I am also here to streamline the aims of conspiracy culture into the mainstream. I believe you can be as skeptical as ever and learn to agree to disagree, and also learn to work together as the world keeps turning one way or another. Do you not see humanity creating conditions that if not soon reversed, will be irreversible? Famine, disease, war, dogma, maybe you're not like me and you can just live your life knowing these things go on in the world and you except it as human nature. I know we can do better, and I'm doing my part. Quote:
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That's absurd if it wasn't so fucking funny! Can you seriously give me one quick example of this or have you already eaten your words? Quote:
Do you have a vision for the future, or do you just go along to get along, letting humanity drifting on its way, whatever that direction may be? Quote:
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Jul 03, 08
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Stop using words like "psychological debate" like it has sweet fuck all to do with anything in conspiracies. If anything psychology taught me how to think critically, and it's that critical thinking that generally amounts to me deciding that your ideas are a load of unsubstantiated bullshit. If you want to talk psychology, bring up some peer-reviewable evidence and we'll talk. Until that happens, you can really stfu with words like "psychological debate," because this is baseless alarmism and theorizing, NOT PSYCHOLOGY.
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Jul 03, 08
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You call me ignorant, but as a man of science, I can't believe an argument that you present. One lacking fact, that can't stand up under scrutiny and is forced to use the argument "you're just ignorant" when backed into a corner. I fail to see how jumping into a pseudoscience that has never been able to withstand any sort of serious scrutiny, shows that I'm enlightened. I've accepted long ago that I can't change your mind. I have no problem with that. You are, and will never be in the position to change the world's perceptions. In the years you've been "researching" and spreading this "knowledge" what have you accomplished? For example: Hallow Earth is a crazy idea. With not a single fact to back it up. All supports can do is present their ideas. But I think both you and I could agree it would be crazy to support the notion. There's not a single fact to back it up! It defies logic! And in the same way that we wouldn't be able to support that, I can't support many of the ideas you present.
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Jul 03, 08
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Last chance you get to do this before I put you on ignore...I find you have some intelligent comments here and there and that's why it hasn't happened already...but I am getting tired of your attitude. No need to sling mud now.
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Jul 03, 08
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anyways....i was just at a family BBQ and someone in my extended family is a former RCMP detective and is now a P.I and dose other stuff he cant really talk about.
anyways i had a big disscussion with him about conspiracy theories and the fucking quacks who gobble them up and spout off like they 'GET IT' and 'OMG DUDE I SO KNOW WHATS GOING ON...YOU NEED TO WAKE UP" ect. ect. he spoke with me about zeitgeist,9/11 truth,masons...ALL OF IT., this was like the most 'plugged in' guy you would ever meet and he knew all of this shit. he said that they use alot that stuff to help profile people who are mentally unstable, potentially harmfull to society, are extremely alienated and tended to be prone to substance abuse and escapeism when he told me this i kinda sunk in my chair a little bit cause well as a generalization ITS TRUE!! lol... he's a pretty cool guy though, chatted further about his upcomming trip to southeast asia with his wife, and the parallels between the pyramids of gyza and the pyramids at ankor wat and how they relate to the orion constellation.....super cool guy.
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The "psychology" that you present is the same kind of jazz-psychology that booksellers like John Gray swear by. It works like this: 1) Take a psychological trend that is generally accepted as present but not consistent feature of humanity in general 2) Take these trends and explain them as absolutes. Use anecdotal evidence to convince your audience that these absolutes are so. 3) From these trends, form a logical system that fits within the scope of these trends. If any trends refute the assertions made by such a system ignore them. 4) People (particularly gullible people who don't know how to think critically) would be likely to believe such a system as long as it is presented in a logical form, even if assumptions are made, simply because people are more willing to put causality and synchronicity ahead of randomness - they look for patterns in the noise (that's real psychology, btw ;-p ) The problem is that then it ceases to be a theory and starts to become a meme. As the meme grows other people take other assumptions and other trends, present them as absolutes and form more intricate (and equally baseless) arguments to bring up when someone who actually does understand the psychology behind it calls them on it. You speak of this mass hypnosis type near-comatose state that people get into by watching and believing everything that they see on TV. While I agree that such a trend exists, I disagree that this has anything to do with the state of the world. The people that are these mindless drones and zombies really have no effect on what happens in the rest of the world. These are the people who work at K-mart or as a janitor until they retire and then expect the government to cover their pension until they die of fatassery. You really think that someone with a PhD in communications is going to watch Fox News as a very legitimate information source? Of course not, because he's been trained on how to properly think critically. Critical thinking (and this is more of that real psychology) is about challenging popular ideas and pushing tests upon them to determine whether such assertions are feasible. It is the scientific method as applied to human thought and human behaviour - which is exactly what psychology is. What you are doing is looking at the gaps in what is in the public understanding of what is happening and filling it with whatever sensationalistic story people would think interesting enough to pass on. While that makes it a strong meme, it doesn't make it the truth. Conspiracy theorizing is no more psychology than Intelligent Design is science. Quote:
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Jul 03, 08
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So you think you can find peer-reviewed evidence to support your point of view? I challenge you to find some.
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Jul 03, 08
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What's wrong with you people? Do you all really feel you need peer reviewed study to give you a pre-approved opinion? What ever happened to people having logical debates without being overdependent on "so called," expert opinions. So far, none of you have demonstrated (other than Markus) the ability to go point for point, without taking snippets from his commentary and chopping it up to your likening, regardless of the point behind his opinion. Come up with your own logical conclusion.
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Jul 03, 08
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 Who said anything about facts? We're dealing with psychology here...specifically cognitive, educational, personality and social psychology. Before I can even start presenting facts, there are many aspects in each of those fields to consider. In short though, it can be understood from the meme by RAW known as reality tunnels. I could get into it, and post some peer reviewed papers that support my thesis, but I've been met with a whole lot of hostility and so far it seems that I wouldn't have an audience here that would really appreciate that. I'd rather build up my business, and write this into a book after I'm more established financially.
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Jul 03, 08
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Its a worthy challenge, and would take a considerable amount of time seeing how I don't live and obsess about this stuff like I used to and how many here still seem to think I do. I would gladly do this, but no one is paying me for my time...if someone wanted to buy some drinks and have a debate about it I'd gladly spend an evening to gather related materials, but so far, no one that disagrees with me here is able to keep it civil so it doesn't really seem to be worth my time. If you'd wanna make a bet out of it though I'd be game.
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Jul 04, 08
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And no, I'm not going to pay you to try and prove that your correct. Also, as far as civil, I have never done anything except insult the ideas you present. You have gone on here many times insulting people's intelligence and reducing the arguement to name calling. You are the last person in this discussion to talk about keeping it civil.
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