mom tasered holding 1 month old

[Ragga_Wh0re]

I dont buy it.


Mentally ill mom stunned with Taser to save child: Vancouver police

[rawb]

DEAR DIARY l

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^as a mother...that wasnt even funny.

[ebbomega]

BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS MOTHERS CAN NEVER DO WRONG. JUST ASK THAT GODESSA CHICK, SHE'LL TELL YA ALL ABOUT ITl

[Ragga_Wh0re]

true story.

But this thread was focused at the fact some young girl was tasered while holding her baby, and not about how fantastical(fantastic+magical) i am.

I think they should shoot people with fast acting tranqs instead of tasers, there has to be a better way.Especially if theres a baby being held by the person being tasered, wouldnt the shocl travel through her and into the baby as well?????

[ebbomega]

You say "holding" like she was just slinging it in the arm. Read the frelling article again.

The mother was
a) 16 years old
b) mentally handicapped
c) SMOTHERING HER CHILD

I know you're a fantastic mother and all, but if you're suffocating your child I really hope the authorities incapacitate you and take your child away from you. Especially if you're on the run from a foster home that's there to help both you and your child out.

As for the tranq scenario, you do understand that improper dosages (particularly on someone that's a minor) can very easily lead to bodily damage and death, and is more dangerous than tasering, right? Not to mention when introduced in tandem with mental health issues you stand even more chance of damaging the girl's brain. Also injecting a needle into someone's vein when they're resisting is a lot easier said than done.

I understand your indignation but quite frankly this was the safest takedown for the sake of the child that could have come about. Nobody's dead, the baby was taken out of an unsafe situation and is getting the attention they need now. Get off your high horse. Just because some teenage chick gets knocked up doesn't mean she's infallible. I really think you need to learn that lesson already.

[b0ld]

fyi.... another person who is in physical contact with another person that is getting tasered should not feel any affects at all. Given if this was the case... I don't think police would be using tasers at all since they deal with physically restraining a suspect while they are being tasered.

[tiedye]

It's all Juno's fault for making teen pregnancy cool. I blame the media.


Now where's that sarcasm button?

[Ragga_Wh0re]

i was thinking more along the lines as blow darts filled with ketamine or something. And after reading the province article it paints a completely different picture of the situation and makes no mention of her being "mentally ill" Im sure she was emotional and acting irrationally but thats instinct taking over. She was trying to protect her young, and the ministry intervened and fucked it all up as per usual.

Im not going to draw any conclusions 100% yet, but knowing the track record of the VPD and social services my opinion is a lil bit biased. Im sure as the week moves along so will more evidence, but instead of the police investigating themselves an unrelated third party should.

Anyhoo, my heart goes out to that young mom who obviously needs some guidance and I pray that her and her baby are reunited and that the ministry for children and families finds a better way of defusing potentially dangerous situations such as this.

[rawb]

I BET SHE WAS POSSESSED BY ANGELS l

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

...Im sure she was emotional and acting irrationally but thats instinct taking over. She was trying to protect her young, and the ministry intervened and fucked it all up as per usual.

Im not going to draw any conclusions 100% yet...

Huh??

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

i was thinking more along the lines as blow darts filled with ketamine or something. And after reading the province article it paints a completely different picture of the situation and makes no mention of her being "mentally ill" Im sure she was emotional and acting irrationally but thats instinct taking over. She was trying to protect her young, and the ministry intervened and fucked it all up as per usual.

Yeah, because the Province has never been known to omit information to make a story more sensationalistic. *rolleyes* Much like you choosing to ignore such reports in order to make this look like the poor-mother getting tasered for no reason, when in reality there seems to have been PLENTY reason for them to do so.

Ketamine blow-darts? Jesus, you watch too much Johnny Quest. Those would neither be fast-acting nor would they be guaranteed to work, esp. if she's got a history of mental health issues - how do you know that substance abuse (and as such resistance to substances) isn't in her history? How does anyone ever know that? Tasers are the most prominent form of non-lethal takedown right now because they work and are relatively low-risk (compared to say drugs or guns).

[tiedye]

Just fucking shoot the bitch already.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Yeah, because the Province has never been known to omit information to make a story more sensationalistic. *rolleyes* Much like you choosing to ignore such reports in order to make this look like the poor-mother getting tasered for no reason, when in reality there seems to have been PLENTY reason for them to do so.

Ketamine blow-darts? Jesus, you watch too much Johnny Quest. Those would neither be fast-acting nor would they be guaranteed to work, esp. if she's got a history of mental health issues - how do you know that substance abuse (and as such resistance to substances) isn't in her history? How does anyone ever know that? Tasers are the most prominent form of non-lethal takedown right now because they work and are relatively low-risk (compared to say drugs or guns).

All you can do assume also, the link i posted has a very vague story. You beleive what you want to, but youll be hard pressed to make me a beleiver of what you do and vice versa.

Either way, theres a baby without its mom. Whatever the reason Im sure can be worked out so that it benefits both of them, and not an inefficient system.

[-evil-duerr-]

this story is shocking

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

All you can do assume also, the link i posted has a very vague story. You beleive what you want to, but youll be hard pressed to make me a beleiver of what you do and vice versa.

So far it's too soon to make beliefs based on all these assumptions.

My point is that you're screaming that they did it wrong, I'm posing the question "What else did you expect them to do?"

So far the only answers you've given (Ketamine blow darts? lol) have been severely poor, so I'm not sure what else you wanted these guys to do. Physically violent takedown could have harmed the baby, use of guns or darts could have missed and hit the baby (you really want to be the cop who missed the mother and gave a 16-year-old's takedown dose of drugs to a baby? You really think a baby can survive something like that?). You're just quick to critique because you have this weird maternal instinct that seems to think that no matter what a mother knows best what's right for her child, even though this supposedly "vague" article you produced said rather clearly that the child was being smothered by a girl with a mental handicap.

I'm not saying that the mother is entirely at fault here, but given the situation wtf else did you expect the authorities to do? (Say blow-darts again, I dare ya)

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

Either way, theres a baby without its mom.

THAT WAS TRYING TO FUCKING SUFFOCATE IT. HOW IS THIS NOT IN THE WIN COLUMN FOR EVERYONE?

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

i was thinking more along the lines as blow darts filled with ketamine or something.

Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about eh? A fucking blow dart with a tranquilizer? What is this a god damn movie?

And after reading the province article it paints a completely different picture of the situation and makes no mention of her being "mentally ill" Im sure she was emotional and acting irrationally but thats instinct taking over. She was trying to protect her young, and the ministry intervened and fucked it all up as per usual.

Wait...

Im not going to draw any conclusions 100% yet,

Yes you did, look above.

Anyhoo, my heart goes out to that young mom who obviously needs some guidance and I pray that her and her baby are reunited and that the ministry for children and families finds a better way of defusing potentially dangerous situations such as this.

Some people are just not fit to be parents. So praying that anyone who had a kid is reunited with them is a bad idea. Unfit parents with kids is probably the best way of instigating potentially dangerous situations such as this

[EPID3MIK-7]

Just imagine VPD rolling around with one of these bad boys.



Ma'am PUT THE BABY DOWN!

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^thats what Im saying!!!

We've all dealt with police in one instance or another, and Im sure we can all agree that no matter how rational and polite you are being to an officer they can be a total fucking a-hole to you and 9 times out of 10 pretty fucking combative. Now, factor in a scared 16 year old girl with her baby whos only a month old. Now because none of you have had a baby yourself you can not relate to the emotional or hormonal state of a female right after shes had a baby (baby blues...post partum) etc. That being said, how would you react being in that state when theres social workers trying to take away your baby and then the police show up trying to take it away from you also??When from what i got from the situation the girl was at the babys father house when she shouldnt have been.Ok, bad girl BUT STILL pinning down a 5'1 110lb GIRL AND TASERING HER WITH A BABY IN HER HANDS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE.

I dont know what they could have done to defuse the situation, but obviously what they did wasnt the best option in my opinion and im sure most other people...like parents, would agree.

And ninjaboy,how is she unfit to be a parent? For all we know the "mental illness" shes suffering from is post partum or a bad case of the baby blues WHICH IS NORMAL and common and can be dealt with.

Right now its all speculation,so stop speaking with such conviction and be a little bit more receptive to the other side of the arguement and have a little something called empathy and compassion for 2 human lives that might never be the same again after experiencing such a traumatic thing. keep in mind, this is an infant which is in a crucial developmental stage of life. Creating a bond and being nurtured by its mother is the utmost important and I am deeply saddened that this baby for whatever reason is being cheated out of this. Either by the system, its dysfunctional family or what have you. Its a tragedy, and I beleive more support should be available to young parents especially ones that come from broken homes themselves. Its easy enought o shrug it off and say good riddence but it still doesnt break the cycle and thats what the system should be focusing on, not putting a bandaid on a booboo and hopeing it'll go away.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

We've all dealt with police in one instance or another, and Im sure we can all agree that no matter how rational and polite you are being to an officer they can be a total fucking a-hole to you and 9 times out of 10 pretty fucking combative.

In all my experiences they've been very respectful as long as you don't raise your voice. I've been busted three times throwing illegal raves on city property. Each time they calmly talked to me, checked everything out. Two times they allowed me continue citing that everyone seemed responsible.

Also working at a club has involved several incidents where the police have had to be involved. Again, never a problem.

Which begs the question, what are you doing so often that has the cops getting combative. (There is a difference between them establishing dominance of the situation)

Now, factor in a scared 16 year old girl with her baby whos only a month old. Now because none of you have had a baby yourself you can not relate to the emotional or hormonal state of a female right after shes had a baby (baby blues...post partum) etc.

This is the true sign you are talking out of your ass. "You can't say anything because only I have experienced this".

Fine, you are no longer to comment on any politician because you have never been in office. Also, any entertainment issue is no longer fair game since you are not involved in the industry, and you can not relate to the emotional state and work environment people in that industry have to go through.

The true sign of a lack of understanding is being able to state without debate that your opinion is the only one valid.

That being said, how would you react being in that state when theres social workers trying to take away your baby and then the police show up trying to take it away from you also??When from what i got from the situation the girl was at the babys father house when she shouldnt have been.Ok, bad girl BUT STILL pinning down a 5'1 110lb GIRL AND TASERING HER WITH A BABY IN HER HANDS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE.

From what I've read she was sufficating the baby. As you know a baby is a very fragile creature. Taking down someone (which you are not allowed to comment on since, I've taken people down and you haven't) isn't as easy as you'd think.

Assuming she was suffocating the baby (which seems to be the case, since it's hard to believe that they would walk in and taser someone calmly holding a baby after a two hour stand off), you have to take down the woman.

The police options are, forcefully grabbing the baby (not good, easily could lead to a child being killed), tackling the mother, or tasering her.

Which do you think the best option is?

I dont know what they could have done to defuse the situation, but obviously what they did wasnt the best option in my opinion and im sure most other people...like parents, would agree.

How wasn't it the best option? The child is fine, the mother is in custody...

And ninjaboy,how is she unfit to be a parent? For all we know the "mental illness" shes suffering from is post partum or a bad case of the baby blues WHICH IS NORMAL and common and can be dealt with.

And for all we know she's a paranoid schizophrenic who had threatened the child's life. My point is you don't know, but you can't condemn the VPD's actions without any doubts. Your's is simply an uninformed opinion, based purely on the fact that you are a mother.

Right now its all speculation,

Exactly, "so stop speaking with such conviction and be a little more receptive of the other side's arguement.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

Now because none of you have had a baby yourself you can not relate to the emotional or hormonal state of a female right after shes had a baby (baby blues...post partum) etc. That being said, how would you react being in that state when theres social workers trying to take away your baby and then the police show up trying to take it away from you also??When from what i got from the situation the girl was at the babys father house when she shouldnt have been.Ok, bad girl BUT STILL pinning down a 5'1 110lb GIRL AND TASERING HER WITH A BABY IN HER HANDS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE.

And here you are making your assumptions. Right down to the "Y'ALL AIN'T PARENTS SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION" argument.

I dont know what they could have done to defuse the situation, but obviously what they did wasnt the best option in my opinion and im sure most other people...like parents, would agree.

In your opinion then, what was the best option? You keep saying they had other things they could do but you've failed completely to provide any other than blow darts (lol). Please, I'm interested in finding out what these mythical police procedures for getting a suffocating baby away from a dangerous mother are, because you, as a parent, obviously know what they should be doing.

And ninjaboy,how is she unfit to be a parent? For all we know the "mental illness" shes suffering from is post partum or a bad case of the baby blues WHICH IS NORMAL and common and can be dealt with.

For one, she put her baby between her and law enforcement officials, making their ability to take her down when she was out of control very difficult, and especially dangerous to the child. That doesn't piss you off as a parent?

Right now its all speculation,so stop speaking with such conviction and be a little bit more receptive to the other side of the arguement and have a little something called empathy and compassion for 2 human lives that might never be the same again after experiencing such a traumatic thing.

You make no sense. First you claim it's all speculation then you get pissy at people for having no empathy. Maybe we have no empathy because WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION. You're giving the mother far too much benefit of the doubt.

keep in mind, this is an infant which is in a crucial developmental stage of life. Creating a bond and being nurtured by its mother is the utmost important and I am deeply saddened that this baby for whatever reason is being cheated out of this. Either by the system, its dysfunctional family or what have you. Its a tragedy, and I beleive more support should be available to young parents especially ones that come from broken homes themselves. Its easy enought o shrug it off and say good riddence but it still doesnt break the cycle and thats what the system should be focusing on, not putting a bandaid on a booboo and hopeing it'll go away.

I agree with you. Right up to the point that the mother is suffocating the child. At that point, you've given your rights to "form a bond" or "nurture" the child up completely, because you've outright put their lives at risk. Good luck forming a bond with a baby at their funeral.

You'd think that someone who's such a vehement mother might be a little more concerned for the immediate safety of a child.

[NinjaBoy]

DEAR VPD, PLEASE USE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE!

[cubed]

On a side note, I tasered Ninjaboy on the weekend while he was trying to drown a kitten.

It was pretty awesome.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by cubed

On a side note, I tasered Ninjaboy on the weekend while he was trying to drown a kitten.

It was pretty awesome.