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Nov 25, 09
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How did I know....
No one on this board would be discussing this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120issues01 http://www.investigatemagazine.com/a...atestissue.pdf EDITORIAL: Hiding evidence of global cooling - Washington Times What the Global Warming Emails Reveal - WSJ.com Climate Emails Stoke Debate - WSJ.com Falsifying data, ruining careers of those who present data contradicting them, deleting e-mails and research that doesn;t prove their theories... Politicians like Al Gore found to have photo shopped images to put in his new book, after he has already flat out lied and grossly over exaggerated data to prove his point... This is nothing but fear mongering. Remember, a lot of these scientists have made their CAREERS out of government funding to research climate change... if they're now discovering there is no climate change, don;t yout hink they'd panic and try and hide the data so as to continue living the lifestyle they have grown accustomed? This bullying, fear mongering with doomsday scenario's, and profiteering is comparable to the Catholic Church. Now, who still thinks we should dump billions of dollars in to cutting down green house gasses, when recent data shows there is 0 warming over the past decade, and scientist have been less than honest? 
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Nov 25, 09
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AJ covered this. one of the few times I have seen him cry.
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Bitter rawb, that something you believed in turned out to be a lie? It's OK little buddy. This actually has turned out for the better for humanity-unless, of course, you wanted the earth to come to an end, or to destroy the global economy even further.
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A great day to be an infowarrior
 
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I've been on a board about one of my favorite authors, a gaming message board, and a board about radio where this hasn't been discussed. If this was a board about politics, science or global warming I think your question would be valid. I know it's a side note, but what I found interesting about this was that the New York Times said they wouldn't publish this story because they don't condone hackers stealing people's emails, but they published Sarah Palin's leaked emails... The moral of the story is, people are bias plain and simple. Maybe global warming isn't as bad as people think, maybe it's worse. Either way, why risk it, when we all know that we should be finding alternatives to some of our society's polluting byproducts?
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This hasn't disproven a single thing. No actual data was released. Scientific Method doesn't work under the principle if "two of the thousands of scientist who argue a theory act unscrupulous the theory is officially wrong."
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If the evidence has been falsified, IE no legitimate evidence, and a conspiracy has actually been established; why would we continue to worry? Sure, it could exist, however so could god. Should we all convert to x religion to find salvation? And donate all of our money to x religion, in the hopes that our planet will not be destroyed?
Also, don't side step this one Nijaboy. You know as well as I do, that this board(Coffee Lounge) always has entertained discussions regarding politics and current events. I remember several discussions about global warming, that had heated debates, most of the poster's on this forum aggressive believers. This is a huge turn of events, yet no one brought it up for discussion.
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People need to realize that in this situation we had a monopsony with the UN being that one customer, essentially hiring scientists to justify its world wide tax.
This is exactly like the pharmaceutical lobby or smoking and how their "scienitsts" work. There are TRILLIONS of dollars to be made on the back of global warming. follow the money
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In 1953, the Eoanthropus Dawsoni, was revealed to be a hoax that a team had created to prove evolution. Does this mean that evolution is now a fake science because a small team of people had lied, despite the work of everyone else in the field? In 2001 it was shown that Jan Hendrik Schön, had falsified his paper in nanotechnology. Does this mean the field is now dead? If global warming had only been researched and championed by the two people in the emails, you would have an argument, but a field of science doesn't end because two people were unethical. Quote:
News we've missed lately: The fort hood attack The elections in the philipines The upcoming troop deployments for Afghanistan The US refusing to back the land mine ban North Korea/South Korea's recent aggressions And that's just from the last week or so.
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The e-mails talk about falsification of data, ruining credibility of dissenters, banning dissenters from writing in journals regarding different theories, and 'unifying' scientists under 1 opinion. That complete removes peer review. The fact that year after year, month after month, international polls show that more and more individual scientists are dissenting from the opinion that global warming exists, let alone being man made, also adds a lot to think about.(I could try and find a source for that, but I've spent probably 10 hours reading over the past few days and honestly can't remember which article I read that in. I also don't want to guess at the numbers, as I can't remember them). I agree that GW may be happening, and it is possible that human's have caused it- however, especially with the new information that has been unearthed, I think there is far too little credible information to completely overhaul the world, and punish the 1st world countries while letting the developing world off the hook, compromising the world economy even further during a recession....
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Not to mention it was more than 2 scientists involved in the e-mails. Articles simply just show 2 main individuals involved in the research
Also, the information that they had refused to release, showed a 0.0 degree warming effect in teh past 10 years. That is the research by the institute in question, that refused to release their findings.
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i did, i'm writing an entire heavy metal album about it. you're fucking up my future with your whistle blowing. there is no place for whistles in hard rock.
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As for overhauling the world, I don't mean to be a downer, but shit all has been done. PS - Next time you "agree that global warming may be happening" don't start the thread with: Bitter rawb, that something you believed in turned out to be a lie? It's OK little buddy. This actually has turned out for the better for humanity-unless, of course, you wanted the earth to come to an end, or to destroy the global economy even further. then follow it up with: If the evidence has been falsified, IE no legitimate evidence, and a conspiracy has actually been established; why would we continue to worry? Sure, it could exist, however so could god. Should we all convert to x religion to find salvation? And donate all of our money to x religion, in the hopes that our planet will not be destroyed?
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I said that I agree that it *could* be happening. I'm not egotistical enough to believe myself to be all knowing. Facts, figures, theories, theories dissproving theories- have all been concocted by human beings. We are flawed, therefore our methods may be flawed.
Do I believe humans are causing climate change? No. Personally I think it more plausible that heating and cooling trends are caused by solar flares, and that as the earth heats, CO2 is released from the Ocean. However anything is possible, NinjaBoy. As an agnostic, my beliefs extend beyond just religion in to science. I don't know what's out there, I don't know what drives the forces of the universe. Anything is possible.
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in 1 post, directed at rawb, I stated that. It was a beak. You can't base my entire thread on one hostile post.
I stand by my initial post. Regardless, what has gone on IS fear mongering possibly for political or financial motivation. The earth may have been heating in the 80's and 90's, but it hasn;t for the past decade. In the 50's and 60's scientists believed we were entering in to an ice age... Climate definitely changes, however the assertion that it is constantly WARMING due to HUMAN ACTIVITY year after year is proving to be less credible.
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Nov 25, 09
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Too early to tell. Something tells me we're in for some more celebrities dying and or balloon boy bonanza to cloud controversy.
Whether this information is right or wrong, it's a little too late going into the Copenhagen summit, and we'll all be raped by the carbon tax. Frankly I like my 42" flat screen.
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Nov 25, 09
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turn off the tv, turn off your pc.
I would recommend staying as far away from alex jones best as you can, he is not the gospel truth. Use your brain, he does this for a living so he sensationalize everything and his website is riddled with adds tshirts and shit to buy. The government will never get a one world government, implant you with mind controlling microchips and make you sterile, are you retarded? If they were to pull that they would instantly have MILLIONS of combatants poking them with sticks and burning their buildings down. Rebellions/Revolutions always win. I cant wait to do my part and fuck shit up. global warming is myth 100% dont buy into it. if you dont like something make it less relevant to your live. (excuse me i am sleep deprived)
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