The Rave Scene Is Dead and No One Cares

[Wood]

rave has been dead for a long time, what's been going on for the past 10 years has been nothing more than attempts at re-capturing the initial catharsis the movement generated when it appeared in the late 80s. Let it die already. it's become a grotesque mockery of what it was when it began. The past 10 years have seen every imaginable type of botch, swindle and money grab passed off as 'peace, love unity & respect' - granted many people behind the scene still have their heads on their shoulders and their hearts in the right place..... but there needs to be a shift back to reality. DJs are not gods, partying is not a lifestyle, drugs are not a religion. We can all still dance, party & enjoy the music & people, but we need to stop thinking that doing so makes us special or different from anyone else. We are simply celebrating life just as people have since the dawn of humanity.

[Senior]

Originally posted by Wood:


rave has been dead for a long time, what's been going on for the past 10 years has been nothing more than attempts at re-capturing the initial catharsis the movement generated when it appeared in the late 80s. Let it die already. it's become a grotesque mockery of what it was when it began. The past 10 years have seen every imaginable type of botch, swindle and money grab passed off as 'peace, love unity & respect' - granted many people behind the scene still have their heads on their shoulders and their hearts in the right place..... but there needs to be a shift back to reality. DJs are not gods, partying is not a lifestyle, drugs are not a religion. We can all still dance, party & enjoy the music & people, but we need to stop thinking that doing so makes us special or different from anyone else. We are simply celebrating life just as people have since the dawn of humanity.

Well said.

[taylormade]

nobody listens to techno.....so lets go!!!!! .!..(-.-)..!.

[crackjoy]

well, as i am new to the scene, i cant see anything wrong with it. sure, u guys may not think it is as good as it used to be, but its hella fun for me! :tounge1:

[AGROculture]

I disagree with Wood

Raves have never been dead

They've just changed, Changed everything from Crowd turnout, types of people, vibe, Music, Venues laws etc etc

And you can't really say they've turned for the worst, I mean I think the rave scene was much better a few years back but there's people that would disagree with me and say there's way better parties now, or you may say there were way better parties in 1995

Styles change, subcultures change....thats all there is to it

So I don't think its dead....just different, those who can't adapt will slowly die out like any other business

There's alot of factors that have changed Raves

The strict laws are apart of it........I remember going to legal parties in the Korean Cultural Ctr as well as other small venues back in 1997
Spanish Cultural Ctr in 1999
Even Mitchel Island in 2000

Making those illegal and the absolute lack of venues have drastically reduced the amount of small vibey parties there used to be. its funny cause when they were legal they were alot safer than they are now, having security and rules to follow

With the Plaza opening.....That was and is great for Massives.but oif course its so expensive to throw a party there so the ticket prices are high.....really high.......one of the highest for a rave in North America. That being said.....once ravers drop out of the scene, the new ones don't come in as fast.....too expensive! over time that reduces the turnout of the parties which in effect creates a shitty party.....then the party sucks....people feel ripped off...and then less come to the next one....its hard to get out of that downward spiral

3. Raving is fun....it really is!...and it caught on quick...got very mainstream and tons of people came out which changed the whole crowd and vibe

There's lots more that have changed things to, but there's some example.....like styles of clothing the rave scene will keep on changing....for better or for worst

AGROout

AGROout

[AWOL]

I think we need to get back to the basics. More ghetto parties, more beach parties, more free parties.

And more people should do e and flail otherwise go to a club if you're going to give attitude about how YOUR scene should be.

Partying is much funner when when everybody is trashed and no one gives a shit.

rob

[AWOL]

I think clubs are going to be the future of parties, just look at the UK.

[AGROculture]

Originally posted by AWOL
I think we need to get back to the basics. More ghetto parties, more beach parties, more free parties.

I 100% agree

but take it from me who has thrown his fair share of underground parties, its not as easy as it used to be to consistantly find new secure safe venues that won't get shut down.....Also once you get a couple parties shut down, its hard to regain peoples trust

As people remember thats what happened to me last year....More and more people kept coming and its hard to hide 800 people (kick it) all night!

AGROout

[yourlilbaby]

Im afariad i havent been able to go to many partues lately becuase of school and shit but i just wnated to take a minute to thank all those who have been involved. You guys put an effort forward and the parties ive been to have been some of the most memorable moments in my life

[ƒORM]

It's all about reorganizing the troops. After lx went down some ppl were clueless. I think thats one of the main reasons why we believe in maintaining a community. If we had no love for the scene we'd have shut this domain name long time ago.

fORM

[narcotix]

Originally posted by pbreak


cheaper tickets?? as if $20 isn't cheap enough for a party - even very small raves cost a lot of money to throw (in proportion to how much money is in the bank account, i.e. none) - 1st party i went to 7 years ago was $35 and i didn't think that was too much then. A scene can linger through the dedication of individuals who are doing it out of love for it, but will never flurish unless there is financial support from the people in it.

As per variety in music, check out the edumacated thread and then get back to me. And we (at least some of us) are experimenting - only problem with that is when something doesn't work it ends up costing the promoter a LOT of money, which is usually coming straight out of their paycheck.

a lot of other good points above from both sides, too many to get into but whether or not it's dead... probably never die, just change - for better or worse we will have to wait and see.

wtf ... i never said to make ticket prices that low, i don't know what parties u go to.. but i pay more than that... and yeah back in the day they were $35.. even when ticket sales began being sold off at 40-45.. i still bought tickets. i was a paying customer.. i was thinking maybe they should start off ticket prices at a lower price such as $35..

face it or not. 17 and under will be the new generation of "noobs" or that age range... every year we see new young aged ppl go to parties.. think about it a bit.. well they don't have a job. they don't work.. how do u expect them to cough up $45 bucks? ask mommy and daddy for the flow? w/ the media blowing shit up w/ the drugs and all that other crap that a few years ago ... i doubt their parents would give them any cash.

another thing is transportation... if its not a plaza.. out door ect. have shuttle buses.. i think RM did have shuttle busses.. but i don't think they advertised very well that transportation was available to be purchased..

[normal josh]

when i first started partying, parties were 10 to 15 or 5 to 10 with non parishable food item, (this was good, it got the cite on the side of raves in the beginning) this was the underground, not huge name dj's small 250 communitiesof ravers...

i dont think the scene is dead or will ever die

AS LONG AS THERE IS DANCE MUSIC THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO DANCE!

AS LONG AS THERE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DANCE ASS NIGHT!

i think that there is a generation gap of jaded ravers probably those who started 5 years ago...
its time to wake up and smell the underground...

its time to stop bitching and get a bunch of freinds with 100 bucks a pop and throw some damn good cheap parties...

its just time to stop bitching and reolize that this scene as well as ALL other scenes change, they never die... people still square dance for god's sake!!!

[SEAN!]

who needs raves when clubs are open till 5am?

[normal josh]

/\ who needs raves??

all of those ticket buying ravers that arent 19 is who

[inkster]

Originally posted by narcotix



wtf ... i never said to make ticket prices that low, i don't know what parties u go to.. but i pay more than that... and yeah back in the day they were $35.. even when ticket sales began being sold off at 40-45.. i still bought tickets. i was a paying customer.. i was thinking maybe they should start off ticket prices at a lower price such as $35..

face it or not. 17 and under will be the new generation of "noobs" or that age range... every year we see new young aged ppl go to parties.. think about it a bit.. well they don't have a job. they don't work.. how do u expect them to cough up $45 bucks? ask mommy and daddy for the flow? w/ the media blowing shit up w/ the drugs and all that other crap that a few years ago ... i doubt their parents would give them any cash.

another thing is transportation... if its not a plaza.. out door ect. have shuttle buses.. i think RM did have shuttle busses.. but i don't think they advertised very well that transportation was available to be purchased..

five years ago called. they want their relevancy back.

[inkster]

Originally posted by Sean!
who needs raves when clubs are open till 5am?

clubs are a controlled environment. sometimes people like a bit of freedom.

[Mirka Cerny]

In my utmost humble opinion, this is a VERY SORE subject for me. But really what is a rave? Have we ever been able to have a rave in this city without cops, overpriced venues, chaos etc??? No. Not in the mainstream sense. The reality is our scene is unique in that it is developing into something different from any other place in the world. I think it is better to embrace the diversity of talent and music that flows through this city's veins than worry if we measure up to places like the UK etc. There are no raves in Europe. They have festivals and the club scene rages wildly.
We are growing.....it is happenning. Don't freak out. You will miss the good stuff going on right now.

[ty:rone]

raves changed since '88 or something?

1st year: die hard MDMA fans

the following years: profit type people on one side
and the plurry profit doesn't really matter type of people on the other

[MissZiggy]

For most people, when they think of 'a rave' all they think about is the drugs that go on. They don't see the people that go just to hear their fav dj or to flail like they've never flailed before. All they think is that it's a place for everyone to get fucked up and ruin they're lives. A lof of people I know wouldn't mind going to raves, as long as they don't have to deal with some jibtechwarrior candy kid sitting in the corner convulsing. I guess we just learn to ignore it.

[Candy-Kid]

This thead is done ever year. Just bump up the other theads of this

btw spanish was the best place to party! like 3$ and your gold until 2am

[AWOL]

Originally posted by kid icarus
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all of those ticket buying ravers that arent 19 is who

No offense but maybe the scene would be better with a older crowd. How many parties in the UK and rest of the world are just a room filled with minors? You think a scene could survive by 15, 16, 17 year olds? And alot of people don't go to raves anymore cuz they feel too old at age 19, which is sad.

[Senior]

(Kicks the hornets nest)

Just trying to stir up some meaningful deabte here people...

[Senior]

What I'm getting at is that the word rave is just a label. When people say the "rave" scene is this or that it really doesn't mean anything. People have come together and danced as a form of celebration long before there was "raves."

[Goat]

*ah-hem*


please pardon the crude goatlike language contained within this speel of words inspired by the mentioning of the premature death of a truly wonderful group of gifted people who have tought valuable life lessons, brought happiness, and more than just a little funk to the musically enthused in the world, and more closer to home, the Vancouver area; emotions boiled over and could not be contained.

The Rave Scene Is Dead and No One Cares

^ fuck that! the 'rave scene' is far from dead. while facing what could be compared to a sprained leg, while several cancellations of primo line-ups and events have taken place, putting a somewhat uncomfortable change of pace in 'THE scene', is far from ready to be sent to the glue factory.

everything changes, nothing stays the same. instead of dwelling on how the scene WAS, focus on what the scene IS and where you'd like to see it at.

dood, if a hairy high white kid can hand out flyers to the next party (whoever the promotor may be) with no personal gain, why can't you?
while picking up those 3,4,6 flyers lying on the table and handing them out, may not seem like a big difference, every little bit helps. 'The scene' is what you make of it, if you're gonna focus on all the bad and negativity in it (yes, it was around back then too) , that's all you'll ever see. contribute and make remedy with what people have begun to call, in disgust and scorn, the 'vancouver rave scene'.

Do you really want to know what ISn'T helping 'the scene', as you're calling it? this bullshit stereotyping of what a 'certain type of raver' is supposed to be. whether you've labelled yourself or have been labelled by another as, " candy kid, party kid, junglist, elitest etc" or whatever else you want to call yourself, GROW THE FUCK UP. this isn't fucking elementary school. if you're in 'the scene' for any other reason then for love of the music, people, and dancing, go the fuck home. you've lost sight of the simple reason why (what should be 99%) people are out there. to have a good time, listen to some crazy beats, and meet some vibrant, interesting, and well rounded blend of people of every wich orientation and upbringing.

to add onto that, if you're consuming pre-assumed ideas of how and what people are supposed to act like. imagine, how does it look from a 3rd person outside perspective on the way you, as someone who's classified and divided your peers through stereotyping has just been stereotyped as a close minded waste to society who is willing to disregard and chance of actually getting to know someone simply due to their outward appearence.
face it, you're a fucking raver, i'm a fucking raver, that smelly guy flailing with the glowsticks over there beside the speaker is a fucking raver. there doesn't need to be any 'plur' or lovey dovey feelings, just simple acceptance and respect that the person next to you is there to listen to the same InSanElY CraZy GoOd beats that you are, whatver his skin colour, clothes he wears, or genre of music he prefers to listen to.



read that. now re-read it. i know most people that read this will be dismiss this right off the bat as garbage...but just take a look at who this is coming from. how is it that the noob hairy bald kid who's usually mangletarded beyond belief at parties (doesn't help contribute to the outside of image of 'raver', i know) is able to identify the attitude and or belief system lacking that is or should be associated with a 'rave'? seems sorta weird, doesn't it?
then again, if what i interpreted as the 'rave scene', and my beliefs on 'raving' are so incredibly assbackwards and i'm nothing more than a fucked up junkie spewing verbal garbage packed to the brim full of misguided idealism and naive good intentions, someone correct me now and i'll never step foot inside a rave again.

peace and respect

-max

[AstroFemme]

Originally posted by cerah
No one really understand the effort that goes into these events until they help in throwing one or they do it themselves. Nearly everyone seems to want the perfect lil party in a really cool venue downtown with fancy lights n lasers and big name DJs from overseas that'll go all night for no more than $10-15 a ticket.

As for "it's not dead it's underground" sure it is to some degree but you still need the influx of "newbies" to keep things going. Every underground scene be it the punk, rock, metal, etc. needs the main scene to survive. Underground parties still cost money and "ravers" are dying out, growing up, moving on with their lives.

It's no wonder the larger scene is dead with the type of attitude "newbies" get upon arrival. Going to a rave was supposed to be a fun happy thing where everyone was accepted and now it's as large a clique as they come. The second a "newbie" makes one lil mistake (that we ALL initially made back when we started partying) they're torn apart and flamed and made to feel like absolute shit. Tell me is this the type of scene you want to be involved in?

that was incredibly well said.

~kimmy