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Nov 12, 03
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I wouldnt even call it a war
just a hostile take over 
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Nov 12, 03
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are you fuckin insane?!?!?! i wouldnt go and fuel the fire for the american war machine!!!!
the only way i would go to war is if canada was directly threatened by invasion or some other extreme situation. because i love the country i live in.
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Nov 12, 03
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Yeah, if I was drafted, I'd go. Since I have a skinny frame, I doubt I'd be put into an infantry position. Probably just end up with a desk job. :kimmie:
A war against terrorism is a nobel endeavor. It's just a shame the American government's gone about it all wrong. They've been using 19th century tactics when, in the 21st century, you can do more harm with finances than footsoldiers.
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Nov 12, 03
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the americans should just copy how the israeli intelligence agency gets all their bad guys..those mother fuckers know whats up when it comes to hunting down elusive terrorists and killing them.
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Nov 12, 03
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the only reason canada would have a draft would be if there was a damn good reason for it. cuz seriously, our military is shit. there would have to be a BIG, serioust threat if canada was needed. like the whole middle east uniting and declaring jihad against every infidel nation.
so ya, if there was a draft, i would go.
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Nov 13, 03
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I found it disgusting, though not surprising, to see how many of you would find this war justified so long as the Canadian government would say so. You are destroying your Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom's rights of civil disobdience. For shame. This is not what made this country great, in fact our country was founded by the means of civil disobdience. And yet how many of you are so eager to die and kill because some figurehead of a dictator would tell you that your country is in danger, when there's clearly a movement of well sourced,
intelligent individuals who are telling you why and otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I have the facts to back these claims which it seems are to boring for you to look into for even 1 day out of your lives, because if you did, you wouldn't be spouting so much patriotic propaganda. Don't you atleast owe it to yourself before you sacrifice your life that maybe, just maybe, there is a point to all this rabble? It's easy to point fingers and laugh with buzzwords that have become so utterly cliche that they have literally no purpose other than to attack one's character like "conspiracy theorist" or "left" or "right" wing *fill in the blank*. But we are the ones handing out flyers to you on Robson street, organizing rallies and marches at the Vancouver Art Gallery while you're busy buying your happiness like tv told you to. And you have proven what many already know, that most people will believe whatever they want to believe. Still I wonder, what's so bad about considering yourself to be wrong? Altruism? Letting factual documents and sources make up your opinion rather than patriotic propaganda? Do you even know who CanWest Global is? You should, they own about 80% of daily newspapers and major media in this country. So even if your paper has a different name then your neighbors, ever thought that maybe the agenda and programing in these papers is relatively the same, just maybe? I will in a moment hopefully prove to you why this War on Terrorism is fabricated and unjust, and maybe you already have that opinion. Why should that opinion change because your government says so? The facts aren't any different, is it also because tv told you? Or maybe your parents? teachers? Think outside of the box. Let facts make up your mind, I can assure you that I have done so already and it is the reason why I have so much earnst on this subject. ... I now turn you to a 30 second clip of social conditioning to ring in a one/new world order, Bush Senior's U.N. love speach, because the U.N. are out there just to help you know: http://tv.phaseiii.org/?channel=20&v...iew_fair_use=1 Not enough, fine, I'm just getting started. Here, watch some 9/11 social conditioning. Remember how the U.S. gov said they had no idea about plots to hijack planes and explode them, possibly into buildings? Well, incase they forgot that it already happened on 1970, September 12th by Palestine Liberation Organization who hijacked three passenger planes and took them to airfields in Jordan. Well here it is again, a few months before on one of their own networks! http://tv.phaseiii.org/?channel=2&vi...iew_fair_use=1 ^This is from one of the episodes from Fox's pilot series, the Lone Gunmen. The Lone Gunmen are characters from the X-Files tv show. In this episode, a secret government agency (like the CIA) take remote control of a passenger airplane and try to crash it into one of the World Trade Center buildings. This was played in July 2001 if I'm not mistaken, and still to this day the U.S. gov denies prior knowledge, and you have to ask yourselves why. I could go all day but it probably won't make a difference, the onus is on you. If you want more well sourced info I'd check out tv.phaseiii.org go to the "documentry" channel and watch the 911 flicks as they aren't boring and are very well sourced for the most part. Or you can PM and arrange to meet up where I can show you how Canadian and International laws have been drasticly manipulated post of 911 and it is no accident that you have probably not even once heard about it on the news. This shit doesn't happen over night, you have to understand that, it is all incrimentalism. Remember Canada was colonially aquired, all for the purose of divide and conquer, that is the number 1 reason for borders to exist. ... There is no way this can last. The brave new world is a cyber plantation where, thanks to so-called free trade, under the NAFTA and GATT treaties and the claimed-to-be negotiated MAI, it is now officially sealed in writing that global corporations can act as their own sovereign nations. Laws don't apply to them anymore, and every human being on every country on earth must now compete against each other for who will work for the lowest wage. http://www.flora.org/library/mai/mystery.html As the veneer of democracy fades away, as the world's downsized until it explodes, as the shantytowns piled behind the mall become visible, as the savages on the other side of the wall break through, and everybody from gun-crazy militias to gangsta rappers to community activists to working families just struggling to put food on the table all mad at the same thing, you'd think there'd be a widespread united opposition, right? Well as usual, the real conflict is not what they say it is. It's not the left versus the right, but the top versus the bottom, a class war marketed as a race war. That we are being manipulated and programmed to fight, to keep us all from turning our most potent weapons -- our time, our energy and our souls -- against the real enemy and taking back what is rightfully ours. We are living in the new dark ages. Only if we let ourselves. I repeat, there's no way this can last. I'd rather work for something I want and not get it than work or vote for something I don't want and get it. And what we got now, I repeat, there's no way this can last. Wake up and smell the noise. Corporate dictatorship is headed for a train wreck. And that train wreck will most likely happen in our lifetime. Not right away, but probably in our lifetime (definitely in our kids'), and if we aren't ready to cut the crap, and know how to work with each other, to zero in and focus on what's really important, and have an idea of what we each have got to do to be ready to do it right, we will get fooled again. One day, it will be too late. Wake up and smell the noise, wake up and smell the noise!
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Nov 13, 03
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I hear what you're saying but there are a few fundamental things you should (and probably are but are worth repeating here) be aware of. Terrorism has absolutely nothing to do with fanatics causing violence for the sake of violence. It's about desperate people forced into desperate actions to have their voice heard. And, although there are instances of non-violent methods to make one's voice heard, all too often it is violence that any of us ever are willing to pay attention to. I've already stated that those hoping to end terrorism in the world are going about it all wrong; much in the same way an individual may lop off an arm because of a skin blemish. Is there an answer to all of this? I don't know. 6,000 years of recorded history still hasn't come up with one and, unless we somehow gain a Roddenberry-esque mentallity about humanity, I can't see it ever happening. Just look at this little lifestyle we call raving here. Look at how segratated it is because of a difference of opinions. How can we expect the billions-large human race to gain a better sense of its place on this planet when barely a couple thousand of 'electronic-music lovers' can't get along civily in the Lower Mainland without the aid of artificial stimulants? We are highly fortunate to live in a place where our freedoms are not trampled upon and the most we have to complain about are a lack of medical facilities in the neighborhood because our current government closed it down. How fat and lazy we have become in our own prosperity. But does this make us evil, ignorant goose-steppers because we turn a blind eye to the suffering in the world? Not at all. We suffer as well, in our own ways. Suffering in the world is common. It's the nature of existance. The trick is to overcome it, to make something of yourself. The human animal is an amazing creature if it puts its mind to it. How many other animals on this planet can claim to have surivived outside this biosphere for days, even weeks, on end? I have my life to live, to try to survive in. I've hit upon hard times at some points but, instead of wallowing in self-decay, I took the bull by the horns and made something out of nothing because I know that I can. Living in a country that has afforded me the rights to do this is something I feel is worth protecting. That said, it isn't our manifest destiny to impose this belief on others if they don't want to hear it. Everyone has their own priorities and walk the path they so desire. For some, owning a 50 acre lot of land with a palace in the centre is what they strive for; for others, a sturdy pot to hold water and a well that never drys is all they wish for. Neither is worse off than the other; some prefer simplicity over excessiveness (after all, we can't very well take it with us after we die). This is getting a bit long, more than I originally intended, and I still got stuff to do today so I'm wrapping up here.
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Nov 13, 03
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I would never fight in a war. Any war. War is murder.
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Nov 13, 03
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gosh golly gee whizzickers, I'd gol'danged well do what my government told me was right, nevermind thinking for myself!
I want to be a lazy fool with no oppinions of my own, making decisions based on the popular notions of a propaganda filled society! by golly I'd take my machine gun out and run up a death toll so high they'd start a war against ME for being a terrorist in the cause of the war against terror! that's right! anti-terrorist terrorism!
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Nov 13, 03
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Hell no.
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Nov 13, 03
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if by war on terror you mean the current debacle the u.s. is in, then no fuckin way would i partake in it.
if by war on terror you mean we (canada) had been attacked in some way, and we had to defend our country, then yes i would be there. granted the war was justified, and internationally legal. i wouldn't want to be there, but ya gotta put up or shut up.
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Nov 14, 03
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bomb fr8's.....not iraq........i'de chill here n smoke my weed.
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Nov 14, 03
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Sykonee: Though I agree with your definition about terrorism, I disagree with how you said to deal about it. Governemnts have created terrorist events all throughout history to get there people to submit to a new law, a war, and whatever the hell they really want to. Nero burning down Rome and blaming it on the Christains, Hitler burning down his parliament building (the Reichstag)and blaming it on commies/Poland. WTC and Oklamhoma are the same situations except that most people don't know/don't want to know because it means getting off their but and fighting this the only way it will work, with their voice.
I leave you with a quote by Hermann Goering. He was Hitler's designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich. "Why of course the people don't want war... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." -April 18, 1946 Nuremberg Trials. Form: The only "bad guys" (and this is still up for debate, heh) are the psychic vampires that lead our military, media, industry, and lead the little people into war. Good guys and bad guys make good Hollywood films, but reality isn't black and white. Reality is a variety of shades, colours, and opinions, and if we get sucked into this black and white mentality we will always do our leaders bidding. Sal: Hope you can make it, I know it's tough but every person makes a difference. I attached a quote for you to think about why/how.
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Nov 14, 03
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I sometimes wonder if it's just human nature to never listen to any warning no matter how real... it has seemed to me that the writing has been on the wall for quite some time but everyone just wants to ignore it hoping that it isn't true. Perhaps we need to get really fucked over and lose everything before we'll give a shit?
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Nov 14, 03
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MARK, SHUT THE FUCK UP. You can't change anything, you are an idiot and bloody hypocrite. If you show any intrest in why Doom feels this way, he will explain his reasoning. As for the orginal question, any action that brings oil, resources or power to the western world is okay by Doom.
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Nov 14, 03
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A few simple facts for you; -Oil is running out, it's time to start looking for different sources of energy and fast -Democracy is government by and for the people; look into it, what you are dissing is a person that is actively participating in democracy - The western world is consuming resources at far to fast a pace to be sustainable no matter how you look at it. Simply continuing this cycle by promoting the murder of others (correct me if this isn't what you meant by condoning the use of any action to bring resources here) isn't not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination -Being a bling bling rich kid is a lot of fun but having a good place for our kids and their kids to grow up is a lot more important. Maybe some of us could try and make a little effort to make that possible
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Nov 14, 03
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Then again..... maybe i could join the army, and be a spy for the outside world, then like, get to be a part of all the alien autopsies, and cover up crash sites.
All the while, i'd be pumping info to the public exposing the truth. !
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