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Nov 19, 03
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^You wouldn't even have this country with that mentality, go look into history...Canada was supposed to be a British Colony!
Not to be condescending, I mean you probably already knew that, it just doesn't seem like you remember or acknowledge it fully. Civil disobedience has made this country worthy and it's recognized, hell it made it a country, don't ever forget that! In case you didn't believe me, I left an attachment just to let you know what I'm like when I'm condescending, enjoy! Doom: HA! Thanks for the laugh. You know I've never understood why you are such a stand up guy when ever I see you in person, and then have this alter-ego online. Maybe you read too many comics. Maybe you're an angry suburban youth with enough angst to vaporize all pogs and teletubbies on the planet as we know it. Or maybe this is just the internet. From our little chat it became very clear where you stand when you said in the end of your life you want to see humanity extinguish from this silly planet. Well keep being an asshole online if you get kicks out of it, I will see you in the real world in december where I know you aren't trying to kill time. Discord: The alien agenda is not worthy of public recognition. Simple reason, even it is true, you can't possibly begin to have any control over the situation. Plus 90% of the info out there is more than likely fabricated disinformation. The hearts and minds of the people you share the planet with is perhaps more attainable, and debunking political fallacy for those would be skeptics isn't unreasonable. Aliens are more fun though, *ahem* go zeta reticulans! :178: Sal: Starts 1pm 22nd (this saturday) fountain side of the Van Art Gallery. I'll cry if I don't see ya, maybe. 
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Nov 19, 03
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the only way i'd possibly fight in a war is if another country attacked us or invaded, and if it was unjustified. although instead of joining the army i would prolly just start my own little militia fighting for what i believe in..
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Nov 19, 03
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^Instead of killing people you don't know go play Freedom Fighters. No moral/physical stress and you get the girl in the end. I would, however, sooner support a small faction of militia than a large army of soldiers who don't think for themselves. When you don't know who you're killing you're even worse than a hitman. You get paid less too! Speaking of video games Hitman 2 was such a let down...and I digress.
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Nov 25, 03
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fuck no i would go to fight "terrorism". it's not just the war i'm opposed to, but if i'm gonna put my life on the line and kill some iraquis an shit, i'm gonna do it for a good reason. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER TO TERRORISM!
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Nov 25, 03
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War is not cool...Fighting will never solve anything! It just causes more shit!
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Nov 25, 03
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Sal: It was great seeing ya Saturday, and don't worry if you can't make this week's meeting...they are every week so no rush just come when you can! I'll keep ya posted.
I think the general vibe here from those that would appose a draft is simple, because war begets war. By the way there are talks of a US draft for July 2005 so this may one day be a question we will all have to face for real. If you wanna pick up a gun please do so at home if some one is trying to break into your house or is attacking you first "personally" (read "not invading your country, but in your face"). If you don't, you are most likely fighting someone elses fight and causing suffering.
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Nov 25, 03
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here's my 2 cents:
North America was built on genocide. We wiped out millions of people that would be a very dominant power today: Native Indians. It is the worst case of genocide ever recorded in human history, and yes; even worse than the Holocaust. So before we start waving the Canadian flag and sing "Ohh Canada", we need to start realizing that going into another country and invading them purely for oil power and to establish more military bases is completely wrong. Anyone who supports the American policy of "pre-emptive action" has got to be out of their fucking minds, even if the Canadian government tell us to do. do you guys know what that means? that means invading a country because you feel they pose a threat to you before even establishing a reason for the war. The only reason why Canada would want to wage war against the middle east is most likely from pressure of our so called friendly neighbours, and supporting them is wrong. The USA has in the past overthrown democratically elected governments and installed puppet regimes in there for their own sake, so they can exploit the shit out of that country. It happeend in Indonesia where over 250000 died (remember, nobody in Indonesia wanted Suharto as their leader but it was forced upon them by the US), it backfired in Cuba, it backfired in Afghanistan, and it will backfire again with this so called "War on Terrorism". Ohh yah, Hamid Karzai, the handpicked leader of Afghanistan? He was an Afghan oil giant that was personal friends with the Bush Family. Why the fuck does he get to rule the country? Perhaps its because the Bush administration would like to build an oil pipeline running from Afghanistan to the Caspian sea (something that the Taliban refused to do prior to 9/11, which has pissed off the Americans). For those who think that the US did not officially recognize Taliban as the Afghanistan government is out of their mind. They were close business partners, and business went terribly wrong......thus 9/11 and now the War on Terror. Libya will be next. Just do some research, the facts are sitting right there in your Library. If Canada asked me to join the military and murder innocent civilians (because afterall, it is them who suffer), i would say no, even if i had to go to jail i would not premediately and systematically be apart in mass murder. I dont want to sound preachy, but ive always believed politics are like street gangs. The head of each gangs want to recruit more street soldiers and acquire more guns and gain more wealth from drug dealing. In this case its only oil and to establish more territory which is in this case military bases.
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Nov 25, 03
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terrorism isn't a country... terrorism is an act... I could be a terrorist if I want to... does that mean the USA should nuke canada? I don't think you can have a war on terrorism because people will go to different measures for different reasons despite their nationalities... its so spontaneous, just like the war on drugs... anyone can be a terrorist...
as for war, I think that violence just creates more violence... its like a whirlwind where the energy just builds up and up and up... a single casuality can make multiple people feel murderous rage against you... and I think most terrorist acts are acts of desperation, kinda like what sykonee was talking about... to end terrorism we have to find the reason why people are put into such bad situations that they choose to kill others, then try to find solutions to those issues, as opposed to massacring everyone... and this applies to all terrorism...
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Nov 26, 03
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I would go live in an igloo. that is my plan and i'm sticking to it. now all i need to do is learn 100 diff ways to say snow.
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Nov 26, 03
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Tekera: I would agree whole heartedly, and I hope you can see that your answer wasn't that preachy (it was fairly generalized, but you shouldn't have to provide the facts to self-proclaimed skeptics, if they judge your opinion without looking into it in detail than they just think they're skeptics..SEAN! is a good example of that).
Fuck people who tell you otherwise, most of the time they're just too lazy to prove you wrong with their own research so they attack your character by calling you preachy or something else that's a nuisance. I'm sure you already know this but fundementals need to be reiterated since this board has its share of ignoramuses. Liam: *Puts finger on nose* ...and we all know how great the war on drugs did, look everybody, no more drugs! Cocaine and Heroin use didn't skyrocket in N.Y. after_THAT_war was declared! YAY sedated masses! Sal: check yer PM Technique: You honestly believe that huh? Well if you want to die because someone put dots on a map, made you a song for the section that these dots deem where you breathe more often, and told you to be moved whenever you see that section's flag, go for it! However, killing complete strangers is completely wrong and just because your government gave you the gun doesn't mean it's a good reason or even a necessary one. There is so much more to it than that because life isn't black and white, and I'm sorry but the Germans aren't inherently evil people. You see they just got strung along by a figurehead posed as a dictator (who thought he was one for that matter), and Bush is doing the same thing to a lot of Americans these days, it's just he has a covert (only for fools, who are plentiful I might add) propaganda machine helping out among other means. I would be cool to disagree with you, but you have shown absolutely no content for your opinion, so I am left to sigh. *sigh* Arguably you could say there isn't enough info in this thread to convince you otherwise, but that is because it isn't up me to do your research, and it's for your own good! I mean you're already ready to die!!! Maybe you might want to read up a bit into history from a variety of sources to open up your mind to another angle? Hey, I know that might seem boring to you, but it won't kill you atleast!! I doubt you care enough, but if you want to prove me wrong hit me a PM and maybe we could hook up and go over some docmumentaries/news clips & other research I've accumulated, and draw your own conclusions from there. If you're still not convinced, I have no problem with that...or you can go about to the systematic unquestioning of the unknown that tells you that you're right and I'm wrong since being right is more important then finding the truth. Ball's in your court.
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Nov 26, 03
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hey guys.... lets stop terrorism by terrorizing their country... maybe if we terrorize them worse than they terrorized us... they wont do it any more and W00T the war on terrorizm will be over. and so will the middle east.
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Nov 27, 03
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Sykonee: I'd vote for the so-creds http://www.bcsocialcredit.bc.ca if Bennett wasn't turning them into the NDP...and I'd vote for the NDP if it was 1961, but couldn't now since they are more about finding creative ways in how to burn our money, they have an anti-war stance but it's against StarWars and Paul Martin, so it's just a silly front with no means to an end.
So as much as I want to see Martin out of office, I don't think the NDP could do much of a better job, we'd have more social programs, but they aren't the best with finance last I checked. Last year a communist party was running in my riding, and I voted for them kind of out of pity and for comic relief. Fact is, third party representation will always get my vote for the simple fact that the less chance politicians can play connect the dots with friends in high places, the more they will actually live up to that which they promise. And we all know 99% of politicians promise the world and in turn take it all for themselves, and use statistics to prove anything, heh. Last edited by djmarkpaul; Nov 27, 03 at 12:02 AM.
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Nov 27, 03
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^ YAY DEATH! No seriously that is what you're saying Monique, and to think you're sporting a carebear as an avatar. PFFFFFFFFT! FRONTIN BITCH!
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Nov 28, 03
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 things were quite a bit different in 1939, what was done had to be done, otherwise everyone in europe would be speaking german and there would be no jews left in europe.what you said discusts me, there is absolutely no comparision for what America is doing now to what Germany, Italy and Japan were doing in the thirties and forties. to say that there is cheapens the tradegys which took place in the second world war sometimes people need a good killing. Last edited by SEAN!; Nov 28, 03 at 02:43 AM.
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Nov 28, 03
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last time a checked bush wasnt performing malicous acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. Secondly the nationalism/imperialism in the states is not nearly as overt or radical as what was experienced before and during the second world war. i still think its a rather far off comparision that cheapens the reality of what happened in the second world war....ww2 killed close to 60 million people and nearly eredicated an entire race of people. The invasion of iraq is more akin to the foreign policy fuck ups that Regan had in the 80's. Whose policies seem very close to those of Bush. To compare the current world situation to that of the late 1930's & 40's is pure exageration. go ahead and post some links to GNN that ive probably already seen if you want to "enlighten" me though Last edited by SEAN!; Nov 28, 03 at 07:14 AM.
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Nov 28, 03
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Sean's got a point..
I was thinking about it..and I think that it is certainly easy to see the things that are happening in the world and draw parlells to tragic events in modern history....sure, we know Bush is a nut, but I really wouldn't go calling him Hitler. Every single world leader, especially of Western Nations is guilty of comitting all sorts of atrocities against their own people, and maybe humankind in general...but, I think to compare Bush to Hitler and Pol Pot is really insulting, especially to people who were actually victims of oppressive totalitarian regimes. I'm not trying to call Bush a good leader, but I think that is a bit of an exaggeration..
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Nov 29, 03
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Just for fun I'll limit my research to the following source's (let me know if any of them are to conspiracy for you); http://www.economist.com/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.cnn.com/ http://www.csmonitor.com/ http://www.historychannel.com/ http://history.berkeley.edu/
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