PETA's new ads.

[Akeel]

peta is blatantly using the pickton pig farm incident to boost their own profile.

all you vegans supporting this ad go stick a carrot in your hoo haa and show some respect.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Chet

^what he said
omnivores is us
we need the protien and iron
but I'm not trying to argue
Vegatarians are A-OKAY in my book
like Miss. Myra, she has a stellar rack

Aww chet, this made my morning :)

I disagree with these tactics on several different levels, and I think everyone is free to make their own choices with what they eat. Just as I expect that people will respect my decisions and not preach to me about how 'wrong' they think my choice is, I would never do the same thing to someone. Respect people like you wish to be respected yourself.

PETA is just trying really hard to be cutting edge and make people think, I'm sure they're very proud of themselves, but yeah, they're completely off their rocker. What bothers me is that people are going to see this and assume that all (or most) vegetarians would sympathathize and/or agree with these tactics- exploiting families of victims is just as bad as expoliting animals, innit?

[MistressSpankME]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

The reason I find them so offensive is the fact that these families have suffered enough, and don't need their daughters/sisters/mothers/etc. used as a marketing tool in such poor taste. I think that that is wrong.

I personally, would never have thought of the connection if someone hadn't mentioned it. I highly doubt they purposely used the east side tragedies as a marketing tool, at least I really REALLY hope they didn't.

The way I inturpreted the ad, is that they were adressing the objectification of women, which has nothing to do with animal cruelty; but it also doesn't have anything to do with the Pickton Farm and what happened there. Then again, it could very easily be reffering to the violence and murder of women, and comparing that to the slaughter of animals. Which is also pretty damn offensive, I'm a huuuuge lover of animals but I would never look at the death of an animal as being equal to the death of a human.

Maybe its just a case of "that reminds me of something horrible that happened, lets complain about it". Like whenever anyone mentioned 9/11 or even made memorials etc. it was always somehow offense to someone. People can be too sensitive, now if their intent was to purposely reffer to the east side murders or if they had used a picture of one of the victims, then it deffinately would be outright offensive, no questions asked.

[MissBehavior]

Okay...I'm done being constructive in my arguments. All I have to say now is fucking hippies.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ational/Canada

[Akeel]

straight from the horse's mouth
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"We can't bring the victims back, but we can learn from this," said Bruce Friedrich, PETA's director of vegan campaigns.

"And what we can learn is that the adoption of a vegetarian diet is the best way to say 'no' to the continuing violence and suffering of animals."
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fucking disgusting using victims like this...i hope some of the families file a class action suit.

[Hot Karl]

unbelievable.

even if i wasn't disgusted by this ad campaign, how the fuck would not eating pigs have saved any women? and comparing the mass murders of who knows how many women to some fucking pigs?

[PHOTONIC]

I don't know why people always get worked up over this shit. You people who say your offended that PETA is associating dead animals with dead hookers... Are you a dead animal? No. Dead hooker? Most likely not. I don't know how some people can be so offended about anything. I find almost nothin offensive. Maybe I'm a heartless asshole? Maybe the world is just too sensetive. PETA used the Nazi campaign in the past. I guess I missed that one. Dead animals... Dead Jews... Why be offended. Hell, even if i was Jewish... I'd look at the ad and be like.. "thats nice." And I'd get on with my life. Maybe in the future they can use CGI to show a TV commercial of Hitler and Stalin rounding up cows, hookers, sesame street characters, (hell maybe they can find a way to link poor starving 3rd world country kids in there) and then pushing them into a giant meat mincing machine.

All their advertisement is stating that pigs are animals, humans are animals... If your going to eat a pig, why wouldnt you eat a human. Flesh is flesh. Get on with your lives and go enjoy the sun or something.

[ebbomega]

GAP used Nazi comparisons to abortions as well.

People got uppity about those.

It's pointless propoganda is all. It'd be nice if people used rhetoric a bit less in swaying public opinion, then maybe we might get less subliterates like Dubya in power.

[Akeel]

^^
think about it this way.

lets say someone killed and ate your mommy then used her picture in an ad saying she was just like a slaughtered pig.

[PHOTONIC]

have they even announced that this is a dead hooker who ended up at a pig farm?

[Akeel]

^
do u not read the previous posts?

the dude from peta specifically said that they used the pig comparison because of the pickton murders. they didnt use a picture of a dead hooker but they might as well have.

[PHOTONIC]

well... if someone did kill my mom... then PETA took a picture of another lady.. who wasnt murdered... but they say she have been... while shes just posing for PETA advertisement...... why should i be offended?

[PHOTONIC]

Even if i did have a relative to who a dead hooker... i wouldnt be offended by their advertisement because they're not bashing dead hookers... just trying to make a point.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by PHOTONIC

Even if i did have a relative to who a dead hooker... i wouldnt be offended by their advertisement because they're not bashing dead hookers... just trying to make a point.

the ends do not justify the means.

[ryantron]

oh! little girls ARENT meat. crazy.

[PHOTONIC]

Originally Posted by ryantron

oh! little girls ARENT meat. crazy.

ya, must be some crazy new 21st century concept eh?

[Senior]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

GAP used Nazi comparisons to abortions as well.

People got uppity about those.

It's pointless propoganda is all. It'd be nice if people used rhetoric a bit less in swaying public opinion, then maybe we might get less subliterates like Dubya in power.

Well unfortunately there's a big push within the "left" (read progressive/environmentalist groups) to start adopting this sort of tactic on a broad basis as a part of their message. Just to be clear I mean the use of vague rhetoric and NOT the use of tragidies to promote their causes. PETA is mostly on their own in this regard. The reason that the left is doing this is that the way mainstream media works substance doesn't matter as much as catch phrases/rhetoric. If you look at what Limbaugh and company are doing they really on about 1% fact and 99% bs to get their points accross. I thnk that a balanced so to say attack is required but that in general the left is way to nice and tries to be to understanding of other views.

[Knigel]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

The reason I find them so offensive is the fact that these families have suffered enough, and don't need their daughters/sisters/mothers/etc. used as a marketing tool in such poor taste. I think that that is wrong.

Normally I don't give a rats ass about PETA. I'm not Anti-PETA by any stretch. I just think that those billboards are rubbing salt in an open wound.

You're empathy is awesome! Keep it up, I like it! I'm the same way, I find it offensive, insulting, degrading, inhumane, poor taste, and outright mean to use daughters/sisters/mothers/etc. as marketing tools...

...This is one of the reasons why it gets frustrating since this exact same behavior is done constantly to the other animals the human animal murders. There are advertisments EVERYWHERE using animals to sell products that promote murder, torture, and depict baby animal parents in atrocious ways. I encourage your empathy and compassion to broaden even wider.

[Knigel]

Originally Posted by Akeel

^^
think about it this way.

lets say someone killed and ate your mommy then used her picture in an ad saying she was just like a slaughtered pig.

I would feel horrible! and very sad! and this is the type of empathy that makes me not want to eat mommies and help promote advertisments that use thier pictures to sell products.

So...

...think about it this way.

lets say someone killed and ate your mommy then used her picture in an ad saying she was just slaughtered and it's ok because it's a social norm to do so.


How would you feel?

[Knigel]

Originally Posted by Chet

that ad is very wrong
but I also think Peta is out to lunch most of the time
someone choosing not to eat meat? thats fine, no problem there
trying to push your opinion on millions of people using shock value
no dice
Peta has noble ideas and saving animals, but humans are carnivors (hence the incisors and canines)we are born to eat meat, but I digress.

I think the ad should be removed




it's hard not to make the connection in vancouver

Monkeys and Gorillas like Koko ( www.koko.org ) are usually Vegetarian and they have incisors and canines too! It's often thought that they use them to be scary and to frighten attackers. Humans seem to be capable of being omnivores so that means we have the choice of what we eat and the fun thing is that humans have a neat skill of tools. Out of these tools we've found many alternatives of food and nutrients once gained from other flesh. So meat is obsolete and we don't have to kill to survive in our society since we have alternatives. If one needs to eat meat for survival I would encourage both organisms to strive to fulfill their need to live, but if one just wants to eat meat because it tastes good or because they are too lazy to look for alternatives then I would do what is possible to discourage it.

But I digress.

I think ALL ads should be removed =)

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Knigel

I would feel horrible! and very sad! and this is the type of empathy that makes me not want to eat mommies and help promote advertisments that use thier pictures to sell products.

So...

...think about it this way.

lets say someone killed and ate your mommy then used her picture in an ad saying she was just slaughtered and it's ok because it's a social norm to do so.


How would you feel?

well, i for one would feel like victimizing other already tormented people to further my point. nothing says 'feel empathy!' like doing the exact same shit thing that happened to you to other people.

[diva]

Originally Posted by Knigel

Monkeys and Gorillas like Koko ( www.koko.org ) Humans seem to be capable of being omnivores so that means we have the choice of what we eat and the fun thing is that humans have a neat skill of tools. Out of these tools we've found many alternatives of food and nutrients once gained from other flesh. So meat is obsolete and we don't have to kill to survive in our society since we have alternatives. If one needs to eat meat for survival I would encourage both organisms to strive to fulfill their need to live, but if one just wants to eat meat because it tastes good or because they are too lazy to look for alternatives then I would do what is possible to discourage it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's easier to eat an omnivourous diet, than it is to eat a vegetarian one--when you're trying to get all the nutrients you need anyways.
We don't need meat for survival, but we do need quick and efficient ways of eating.

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by Knigel

Monkeys and Gorillas like Koko ( www.koko.org ) are usually Vegetarian and they have incisors and canines too! It's often thought that they use them to be scary and to frighten attackers. Humans seem to be capable of being omnivores so that means we have the choice of what we eat and the fun thing is that humans have a neat skill of tools.

=)

Um they also eat other smaller monkies sometimes too

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Knigel

I would feel horrible! and very sad! and this is the type of empathy that makes me not want to eat mommies and help promote advertisments that use thier pictures to sell products.

So...

...think about it this way.

lets say someone killed and ate your mommy then used her picture in an ad saying she was just slaughtered and it's ok because it's a social norm to do so.


How would you feel?

animal dont have the same level of self awareness that humans do so your argument is shit, plus these animals wouldnt exist if they werent bred to be consumed by us, its not like were taking wild animals and slaughtering them...

you cannot compare human life to animal life.


i know my muslim brother dont dine and swine, but i do and it tastes fuckin good.

[Knigel]

Originally Posted by rawb

well, i for one would feel like victimizing other already tormented people to further my point. nothing says 'feel empathy!' like doing the exact same shit thing that happened to you to other people.

I, for one would not feel like victimizing other already tormented people to further my point. This doesn’t stop me from seeing contradictions when others do it. As I have said I feel sad to see advertisements that portray and promote pain. I don't want to see anyone’s mommy getting victimized on a billboard.