That Nick Berg al Qaeda beheading Movie

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

the fact that he supported this war means just that. he supported it, he WANTED IT. i don't ever want war. comprende? then he went over to a fuckin WARZONE and proceeded to travel around it without adequant security in an area known to be hostile to americans. this guy was held by the military police in iraq, questioned and supposed illegally detained. then he was basically told he had to leave within a week or so. um, he didn't deserve to die, but he was pretty fucking stupid and that caused his death.

so how is it good for the iraqi's that we hire all these americans to do jobs in a country where they have people ready to work? i thought the u.s. was the liberator, last time i checked they got 87bill to help iraq, so i doubt the iraqi's or nick berg need to 'invest' to get shit going. his dad owns a telecommunications company, you don't think being at ground level would make them a pretty penny? the type of people/company working over there isn't some good will red cross action buddy, it's HALLIBURTON, maybe you've heard of these fucking war mongers. if he wanted to help so much, there's tons of stuff he can do to help that doesn't involve being at ground zero.

now i may have been a little harsh with my inital wording, but what am i supposed to say? it's called personal responsibility, he's only getting all this exposure because he was decapitated. had he been simply shot he'd just be another statistic, and no one would even remember hearing his name. but since he was so brutually murdered it's a big deal. well it is not a big deal, people die, horribly and often. especially in a war zone. this was his fault. it's all about personal responsibility. he's not the first "contractor/civilian" kidnapped and killed, and he won't be the last.

this is a warzone, with the u.s. army in it, and it's still fucking crazy. think about that. who in their right mind would want to be there? and if you go you sure as hell accept the risks that come with going to a place so unstable.

its likely that there were no iraqi's qualified to to the contracting work he was doing in iraq.

after twelves years of un embargo im pretty sure most of even the most qualified iraqi's wouldn;'t have any concept of the more modern telecom technology which the americans would be implementing, and they are much less likely be qualified to set up and operate it.

it seems that your political stance on things has removed all form of human compassion from you, thats pretty sad dude.

[Kelster]

who has the video?

can someone send it to me over msn pls!

[email protected]

[Serotonin]

not gonna enrich your life...

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Out of respect for him, his family/friends, and my sanity, I don't think I can bring myself to watch it. I wish this war would end!!!

[Dr. Doom]

sw33t!

[Dr. Doom]

Just watched it, very cool, Doom likes the screams.
Bit small resolution wise, and a bit too grainy for his liking.

[Antenna_Boy]

I heard so much of this vid from the people I work with and one of them saw it. I only heard about this video TODAY....and when the guy described the events on the horror movie, i was sick to my stomache...nearly puked too. I can't imagine how it would be in the boots/shoes of Nick. I mean, REALLY! He was an oportunist trying to make some decent money. But unfortunately, he chose to go to a "blood shed" country. Would I go there? HELLZ NO!!! Did he deserve to die? No. Do the Al Quada deserve to die? Of course! THE SAME FUCKING WAY THOSE BASTARDS!!! Maybe with a chainsaw instead! :sh4n3: Times like this makes me glad that the POW that the US are holding are forcing those bastards to gum each others dirty knobs and tool each other from behind! Cuz they ARE pigs. In any case, I think it all comes down to their RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT! Fuck war! It's all about the god damn religion they have! :(

[Sean]

Can we please stay away from grouping all Iraqi's into the same category as these fuckers? Thanks. You may also want to learn a thing or two as well about the Muslim religion if you think it advocates this sort of behaviour.

[Rhianna]

Hey Antenna Boy, thanks for the karma. However, I do not agree w/ your comments. Way to tired and lazy to type. Now when you say "I think it all comes down to their RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT!" are you talking about the American's or the Iraqi's? Because it could go either way couldn't it? After all, i swear some important American said something like "This war is about how my God is better than their God." WTF? Well that's just a swell reason to have a war. Anyway, Sean is right. Not all Iraqi's and Muslims are bad.

And as far as the American's getting revenge w/ violence goes. They are there to stop shit like that from happening. Not to join in. If they are pissed off that their people are dying(which they should be) then they shouldn't have gone in the first place. Nothing makes shit like that ok. However, it's war. What did they expect?

[whoriental]

i saw the vid.. wen it was over i jus sat there and stared at the comp for like 10 mins in total shock.. it was pretty blurry, but thank god for that..

rip..

[little_persia]

I seen the video yesterday...pretty fucked up...now I am myself persian..so I'm from Iran not Iraq...IRAN...that's beside Iraq for all that don't know..seems to be many..hehe neways... I was only born there and grew up in germany...so I have quite a good stance and view of both sides of the religious and political beliefs of the east and west. All I can say about this video is that I'm absolutely horrified at human capabilties/cruelties...HOWEVER...I don't think its too shocking, soooo many others have died like him...but his death was made public which isn't at all respectful in anyway and that is why many ppl I guess are totally in shock. And NO...he didn't deserve to die like that, neither did he deserve to die at all..but he was unfortunate to be caught in the middle of this revenge deal btw american's vs. Iraqi's/terrorists. He was a victim of this war machine that's eating up ppl on both sides....war brings out the worst on both sides...
as was proven to us within the last week with videos and pictures from americans and iraqi's.

I disagree with war, since it tore my family apart...we left Iran because of the Iran/Iraq war in '85/'86. We have to remember that everyone reacts differently to different acts. My view on the war is, the americans just went back to Iraq because the first president 'George Bush' didn't really finish the war against Saddam...and as revenge swore to send his son to finish him off. I mean, the Iraqi's have been invaded...then their soldiers are humiliated...and these ppl have nothing in their lives to be really occupied with. All they have is their religion and their deeply embeded belief in God. They associate everything with god, even in war. I think its very stereo typical for ppl to think that muslims and the koran support their beliefs....these are simply very religious and radical GROUPS and INDIVIDUALS who are exercising what THEY believe is what they should do. Just because the Oklahoma bomber was white and christian and was a war vetran I don't believe everyone that's from that background would do such acts such as him nor is every white guy like him. He killed a whole buncha children for god's sake....I think that's the ultimate sin...

I personally believe very much in INDIVIDUALISM...I think everyone CAN be different and many are...and should be held responsible INDIVIDUALLY for their own actions...I think all those 5 guys involved in Nick Berg's brutal murder should be brought to justice...and so should each and every american soldier that was involved in the improper acts at the Abu Ghraib prison. Its kinda like saying if someone's brother went out and killed someone...so then his sister his parents and his other brothers are also guilty of his acts...maybe they supported or caused his actions in some way or another...but in the end its the INDIVIDUAL himself with his own brain and body that can perform the action ONLY...ppl tend to say they were influenced...maybe some are more easily than others but I don't believe in that notion..

This war is about money...and both sides are bringing stereotypes and propaganda in the way so americans and iraqi's will hate each other more and be blinded by the true facts and intentions of this blood bath... there is some big guys somewhere cashing in big time right now...at the expense of everyone elses misery....that's the way this world has been since beginning of time...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this. Greed is where it all begins.....

If I offended anyone, it was made with no intention but these are my personal opinions about this war. See me as a person not a muslim, a canadian, a persian , an iraq supporter nor a bush supporter...simply as a person with an opinion...

[Dead Mike]

we should send george bush out there to fight...fucking asshole

[**TORMENT**]

Originally Posted by little_persia

I seen the video yesterday...pretty fucked up...now I am myself persian..so I'm from Iran not Iraq...IRAN...that's beside Iraq for all that don't know..seems to be many..hehe neways... I was only born there and grew up in germany...so I have quite a good stance and view of both sides of the religious and political beliefs of the east and west. All I can say about this video is that I'm absolutely horrified at human capabilties/cruelties...HOWEVER...I don't think its too shocking, soooo many others have died like him...but his death was made public which isn't at all respectful in anyway and that is why many ppl I guess are totally in shock. And NO...he didn't deserve to die like that, neither did he deserve to die at all..but he was unfortunate to be caught in the middle of this revenge deal btw american's vs. Iraqi's/terrorists. He was a victim of this war machine that's eating up ppl on both sides....war brings out the worst on both sides...
as was proven to us within the last week with videos and pictures from americans and iraqi's.

I disagree with war, since it tore my family apart...we left Iran because of the Iran/Iraq war in '85/'86. We have to remember that everyone reacts differently to different acts. My view on the war is, the americans just went back to Iraq because the first president 'George Bush' didn't really finish the war against Saddam...and as revenge swore to send his son to finish him off. I mean, the Iraqi's have been invaded...then their soldiers are humiliated...and these ppl have nothing in their lives to be really occupied with. All they have is their religion and their deeply embeded belief in God. They associate everything with god, even in war. I think its very stereo typical for ppl to think that muslims and the koran support their beliefs....these are simply very religious and radical GROUPS and INDIVIDUALS who are exercising what THEY believe is what they should do. Just because the Oklahoma bomber was white and christian and was a war vetran I don't believe everyone that's from that background would do such acts such as him nor is every white guy like him. He killed a whole buncha children for god's sake....I think that's the ultimate sin...

I personally believe very much in INDIVIDUALISM...I think everyone CAN be different and many are...and should be held responsible INDIVIDUALLY for their own actions...I think all those 5 guys involved in Nick Berg's brutal murder should be brought to justice...and so should each and every american soldier that was involved in the improper acts at the Abu Ghraib prison. Its kinda like saying if someone's brother went out and killed someone...so then his sister his parents and his other brothers are also guilty of his acts...maybe they supported or caused his actions in some way or another...but in the end its the INDIVIDUAL himself with his own brain and body that can perform the action ONLY...ppl tend to say they were influenced...maybe some are more easily than others but I don't believe in that notion..

This war is about money...and both sides are bringing stereotypes and propaganda in the way so americans and iraqi's will hate each other more and be blinded by the true facts and intentions of this blood bath... there is some big guys somewhere cashing in big time right now...at the expense of everyone elses misery....that's the way this world has been since beginning of time...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this. Greed is where it all begins.....

If I offended anyone, it was made with no intention but these are my personal opinions about this war. See me as a person not a muslim, a canadian, a persian , an iraq supporter nor a bush supporter...simply as a person with an opinion...

Here here!! ^^ I wholeheartedly agree with your stance and perspective Lil Persia, and respect hearing THE OTHER SIDE - and a legitamate view - of these fucked realities. Its a little unfortunate that north americans - with all our freedoms,priviledges & "values" - come from such a one-sided view of world politics, americanised politics more like.


"This war is about money...and both sides are bringing stereotypes and propaganda in the way so americans and iraqi's will hate each other more and be blinded by the true facts and intentions of this blood bath... there is some big guys somewhere cashing in big time right now...at the expense of everyone elses misery....that's the way this world has been since beginning of time...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this. Greed is where it all begins....."

Read this paragraph again peeps. AND AGAIN. Ok.. one more time.... Good on ya Lil'Persia for bring INDIVIDUAL perspective and humanity into this, because in our western democracies, our individual consciousness, actions & voices have EVERYTHING to do with a western systemic propagation of war. Its what we vote on - who's in power, who's policies we applaud, and who's actions we support on behalf of ourselves. We have freedoms to educate and spread awareness ourselves on such issues, and have the freedom to speak against bullshit as well. How cool is that?


"...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this."

In case you haven't noticed, the systemic propagation of war based on ahem... "western values" hasnt' really been something to uphold, has it? And its becoming easier to see. Blood for oil, "terrorists" huh?.... & WHO'S values are those? American Republicans?

Certainly not mine. This war is also about race (... surprise!!), the continued bastardised usage of religions, and our generations' chance to witness western COLONIALSIM in motion from the comfort of your couch. Had this been 100 years ago, we'd all be stuck in those trenches.

One "westerner" lost his life in VHS cold blooded murder, the rest of us?

Pretty priviledged i'd say.

[miss.myra]

Again, who wins when you fight fire with fire?

Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, not to get a point across, not to futher your political agenda, and not for vengance.

This goes for both sides.

[**TORMENT**]

In reality, a "little off the top" beheading isnt' anything new nor drastic in the relative history of mankind. Our country CANADA was kinda founded on a similar systemic action, economic and religious race based attempt at genocide.

In all due respects to the the family and loved ones of Nick Burg, we all sit here and try to process what we've seen and heard from really fucking priviledged positions.

Its only shocking in our priviledged states as freedom loving north americans that our generation has only NOW witnessed a beheading in the middle east by chance, once again, from the luxury of our couches, and laptops at Starbucks, or whatever. Pretty shocking huh? WOW, we can't hide from that fucked up world now, huh?

Once again, its nothing new. Our subsequent, collective reality check might be though. We're all on the same plain here in NA when viewing a beheading video in a war miles away. We've all awaken to something... maybe that's a blessing.

Bwoy... Something is reallly wrong, huh? Are you taking notes?

"Quick rewind that video!!"

My friend ang watched it...u know its sick when I cant even watch it lol
no but seriously not a wise choice to watch it
I have 2 close friends in the american army and it hits home....

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Just watched it, very cool, Doom likes the screams.
Bit small resolution wise, and a bit too grainy for his liking.

Ok? sounds like "doom" needs some professional help

grab some Compassion and humanity.....wouldnt that be lovely if it was your brother or dad or some family member they did that too.. God ur sick ..oh no wait you prolly want people to think that ..
I Feel sorry for you :/

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by **TORMENT**

In reality, a "little off the top" beheading isnt' anything new nor drastic in the relative history of mankind. Our country CANADA was kinda founded on a similar systemic action, economic and religious race based attempt at genocide.

In all due respects to the the family and loved ones of Neil Burg, we all sit here and try to process what we've seen and heard from really fucking priviledged positions.

Its only shocking in our priviledged states as freedom loving north americans that our generation has only NOW witnessed a beheading in the middle east by chance, once again, from the luxury of our couches, and laptops at Starbucks, or whatever. Pretty shocking huh? WOW, we can't hide from that fucked up world now, huh?

Once again, its nothing new. Our subsequent, collective reality check might be though.

Something is reallly fucked. Are you taking notes?

"Quick rewind that video!!"

I can't help growing up where I have.

But you know what? To me that's not shocking, it's sad.
A lot of people have quite profound reactions to seeing people die in front of their eyes, and I don't think it would have made any difference what colour this guy's skin was, or where he was from, or any of that.

A lot of the most memorable and emotionally moving images that people have entrenched is one of someone dying. This will stay in memory with images like Napalm Girl, The Buddhist Monk burning himself alive in Viet Nam, or the piles of dead bodies from the holocaust. Does human tragedy shock us? It shouldn't. It should move us emotionally.

The point I'm trying to get across here is that this, no matter how you put it, was cruel and terrifying to watch. I had very similar emotions in seeing this that I did in seeing the images of the Iraqi Prisoners being abused by grinning American Soldiers. No human being deserves that kind of treatment, period, on any side.

[**TORMENT**]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I can't help growing up where I have.

But you know what? To me that's not shocking, it's sad.
A lot of people have quite profound reactions to seeing people die in front of their eyes, and I don't think it would have made any difference what colour this guy's skin was, or where he was from, or any of that.

A lot of the most memorable and emotionally moving images that people have entrenched is one of someone dying. This will stay in memory with images like Napalm Girl, The Buddhist Monk burning himself alive in Viet Nam, or the piles of dead bodies from the holocaust. Does human tragedy shock us? It shouldn't. It should move us emotionally.

The point I'm trying to get across here is that this, no matter how you put it, was cruel and terrifying to watch. I had very similar emotions in seeing this that I did in seeing the images of the Iraqi Prisoners being abused by grinning American Soldiers. No human being deserves that kind of treatment, period, on any side.

^^ that's what i'm saying. Albiet in a reverse subverting, blatant way. RACE has always had everything to do with war, economic maiming, & world religious backed "colonialism" (i.e. WAR ) - it always has. I wonder what Christian, god fearing Americans think of those rag heads now? Its also based on a war heralding a very serious DEFFICIENT metality. One that - in our democracies - gets voted into political power on all sides, working with similar powers and parties with like minded 'goals' & 'dreams' - sometimes to even more drastic effects as we all know, and in all skin colours and socio-political guieses. One wrong won't right another. We can all be moved now to acknowledge those wrongs, and ACT on them - to correct them.

If anyone was moved at witnessing a video-ed beheading.. you have no choice but to acknowledge the factors that caused it.

"it should move us emotionally"... it should move us PERIOD.

[Antenna_Boy]

I still have not seen the vid, but i do get mental graphic images now and then at work..that is how disturbing i find this whole thing, and i have not even watched the damn vid!!!!! :S

[little_persia]

Originally Posted by **TORMENT**

Here here!! ^^ I wholeheartedly agree with your stance and perspective Lil Persia, and respect hearing THE OTHER SIDE - and a legitamate view - of these fucked realities. Its a little unfortunate that north americans - with all our freedoms,priviledges & "values" - come from such a one-sided view of world politics, americanised politics more like.


"This war is about money...and both sides are bringing stereotypes and propaganda in the way so americans and iraqi's will hate each other more and be blinded by the true facts and intentions of this blood bath... there is some big guys somewhere cashing in big time right now...at the expense of everyone elses misery....that's the way this world has been since beginning of time...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this. Greed is where it all begins....."

Read this paragraph again peeps. AND AGAIN. Ok.. one more time.... Good on ya Lil'Persia for bring INDIVIDUAL perspective and humanity into this, because in our western democracies, our individual consciousness, actions & voices have EVERYTHING to do with a western systemic propagation of war. Its what we vote on - who's in power, who's policies we applaud, and who's actions we support on behalf of ourselves. We have freedoms to educate and spread awareness ourselves on such issues, and have the freedom to speak against bullshit as well. How cool is that?


"...and it won't stop until every single person realizes this."

In case you haven't noticed, the systemic propagation of war based on ahem... "western values" hasnt' really been something to uphold, has it? And its becoming easier to see. Blood for oil, "terrorists" huh?.... & WHO'S values are those? American Republicans?

Certainly not mine. This war is also about race (... surprise!!), the continued bastardised usage of religions, and our generations' chance to witness western COLONIALSIM in motion from the comfort of your couch. Had this been 100 years ago, we'd all be stuck in those trenches.

One "westerner" lost his life in VHS cold blooded murder, the rest of us?

Pretty priviledged i'd say.

I absolutely understand what u are saying. Every person has a BIAS, no matter who....every single one of us has a bias towards one thing or another. And as Miss.Myra said...I don't think u get to choose where ur born or to what status...I again agree that we should do something and that these videos are wake up calls for everyone...not just the west...there is ppl in Iraq believe it or not that probably haven't witnessed a beheading...in the end its sickening either way no matter who it is. EVERYONE'S gotta realize all over the globe that what we are doing to each other is unacceptable...we are all here for a short period of time, and I don't think it was to kill and torture each other...*this may sound plurry or what not* but I think our time here is to be enjoyed...the reason we get sick and feel ill when we watch these things (killings, humiliations, beheadings) is because I think they are naturally wrong...doesn't it feel good when u help someone out that's in need??!! It always does for me... I think its too bad that ppl have to waste their time fighting and making each other suffer instead of helping each other out...maybe that's the way the world goes round...but I believe it should change anyway...