Zionists

[lou_belle]

Now, what was written back to me from my last post was really disheartening. It seems that you people have no real concept of what is going on on the other side of the world, but this is understandable. You are not from there and I wouldn't expect anything more.

The amount of jews that actually have hatred for the Arab Muslim is 10-15%. These are the Jewish families in direct conflict in the Gaza and West Bank. This is what you hear about on the news. A minority overstated. This isn't the true beliefs of the people although it is portrayed this way, these are the beliefs of a minority living within the palestinian borders.

The jews IN Palestine cause ALL of the problems. They do not want to be relocated because to them it is letting the arabs win in their fight for an Arab state without any jews. They withstand rocks being thrown, rockets being fired and name calling everyday and in return they call names back.

Any attacks that you hear of coming from the Israeli side are the Israeli soldiers that are there to make a point to the Arabs that Jews will never answer their mallicious attacks on innocent families with anything less than the the lives of the men responsible. This is to deture future suicide bombers and other slauterings of innocent lives within a country of peace.

Everyone else in Israel knows they are crazy, but they feel the need to protect them from the abuse, as at one time jews never had the protection of a country of their own and they take it seriously, this anti-sematic bullshit being thrown at them in their own country.

On my travels in Israel, as a jew, you know where you can go and where you are unwanted. As for arabs, they can go anywhere they please without fear of being killed or raped. The only prejudice I encountered was the fact that every Arab must be checked at the door, literaly, to any public place for explosives. This drill has cut down on the number of bombings greatly, and any person would agree that although it discriminates, it is necessary for the protection of families.

Unfortunately the Jewish people are much more eductated and advanced than the Arabs statistically and jobs for palestinians seem to be of lower class. This is not prejudice, it is just a product of a much more cultured society joining one of very little structure. As time continues, arabs are only going to advance with their neighbours and be woven into a society greeting them as brothers.

Israel, as the Genesis states(the oldest known writings of people), always belonged to the jews. This is why when the Halocaust survivors wanted a country of their own they were given the SMALL country of Israel. Now, as Israelis, they have safety from all anti-sematical peoples of the world. There armies were never put in place to harm anyone, they are there to protect them from invasion. NOT ONCE IN THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL HAS THERE BEEN A WAR AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND THERE OCCUPATION OF THE HOLY LANDS.

This may come as a shock to you, but for palestinians to live in peace with Iraelis it takes nothing but the cease fire of rockets coming across the borders of Palestine.

This also may come as a shock to you, but there are actually many arab towns and villiages spread throughout Israel where there is no war raging. In fact these arab muslim, go to war with the Jews together against the anti-Zionist state of Palestine. Fully knowing that they are not there to wage war but only to prevent the killings of more innocent people on both sides. Israelis are peace fighters. They are not a part of a faction of a Zionistic movement trying to expell all arabs from there country as you have heard.


*lou



Something to think about. In the history of the Jewish religion there has never been slaughterings of people, sacrificial twisted faiths, or war brought on by the need of an expulsion of peoples.

[lou_belle]

ps wum leave my posts alone, the links you provide are weird.

[thebobman]

The Middle East has an extensive and elaborate history, I recommend the following article from Wikipedia to learn more:

• History of the Middle East
  • History of the Persian Empire
  • The Ottoman Empire
    • History of the Ottoman Empire
    • Rise of the Ottoman Empire

• History of Israel
  • Judea
    • Jewish Revolt Against Rome
    • Destruction of Jerusalem
  • Zionism
    
    • Balfour Declaration of 1917
    • Peel Commission
    • Six Day war of 1967

• Projects working for peace among Israelis and Arabs
  • Oslo Accords

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Unfortunately the Jewish people are much more eductated and advanced than the Arabs statistically and jobs for palestinians seem to be of lower class. This is not prejudice, it is just a product of a much more cultured society joining one of very little structure. As time continues, arabs are only going to advance with their neighbours and be woven into a society greeting them as brothers.

To say that Jews are more cultured than Arabs is a fucking disgrace. To say Arabs have 'little structure' is blatantly racist. What the fuck are you talking about? Arabic cultures have some of the richest, most complex histories on earth. Their educational institutions were beacons of knowledge when Europe was in the dark ages. As so many others before you, you have deemed something you don't understand as 'backwardness'. What you see through your eyes may be interpreted as backward, but to others may be the cultural norm. How are you to fully understand the complexities of Arabic societies across space and time? When you speak of 'weaving', you don't mean weaving, you mean cultural assimilation with strong American undertones.

Today the Arabic cultures face challenges because of Europe's colonial involvement over the last few centuries and continued medalling by the United States to the present day.

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Israel, as the Genesis states(the oldest known writings of people), always belonged to the jews. This is why when the Halocaust survivors wanted a country of their own they were given the SMALL country of Israel. Now, as Israelis, they have safety from all anti-sematical peoples of the world. There armies were never put in place to harm anyone, they are there to protect them from invasion. NOT ONCE IN THE HISTORY OF ISRAEL HAS THERE BEEN A WAR AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND THERE OCCUPATION OF THE HOLY LANDS.

Jews didn't always own Israel - and one could argue they still don't. 100 years ago, I'd say Jewish folks didn't have a firm grip. That some ancient book tells Jewish people that this was historically their land is a excactly what it is: history. "Hi, I'm from Canada, but there's a history book that tells me I'm from Africa. Does this give me the right 'reclaim' my 'traditional territory?" Of course it doesn't, so get off it. Indeed, in many ways, Israel is the occupying power in Palestine - if we work with more recent history, which is what everyone else does. Small country or no country, what is Isreal now was someone elses before the Yanks and Brits decided to make amends for what was a decidedly European disgrace.

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Israelis are peace fighters.

Right. Just like the Americans in Iraq.

Why are you throwing Israeli rhetoric around here? Its hauntingly short-sighted, culturally specific and frankly embarrasing. I'm neither Jewish nor Arab, but when you look at that region without invested interest or emotional attachment in it, there continue to be serious mal-treatments of people on both sides. Your post explains half of the problem.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Now, what was written back to me from my last post was really disheartening. It seems that you people have no real concept of what is going on on the other side of the world, but this is understandable. You are not from there and I wouldn't expect anything more.

Yeah, some of us people actually have a fair idea of what's going on over there, so please can the self righteous routine and stop telling us what to think. Go ahead and think what you'd like, but don't pass off your own rhetoric as FACT.

oh well, there's always tomorrow, and another lou belle soapbox monologue! glee!

[robyn]

So you took a fieldtrip to the middle east and now you think you're an expert? That's endearing.

[Courtney]

tres bizzarre

[Grapes]

Any attacks that you hear of coming from the Israeli side are the Israeli soldiers that are there to make a point to the Arabs that Jews will never answer their mallicious attacks on innocent families with anything less than the the lives of the men responsible.

And this, in turn fuels hatred on the other side. Does the term "cycle of violence" mean anything to you?

This is to deture future suicide bombers and other slauterings of innocent lives within a country of peace.

And what a fantastic job they've done of that. Never any suicide bombings anymore, are there?

Everyone else in Israel knows they are crazy, but they feel the need to protect them from the abuse, as at one time jews never had the protection of a country of their own and they take it seriously, this anti-sematic bullshit being thrown at them in their own country.

As far as I can tell, in this paragraph you agree that the preceeding justification for killing Palestinians is "crazy", but then explain that the nation at large tolerates it because they need to be protected from "abuse" (name calling?) and some vague notion of anti semitism.

Nothing like killing a people's spiritual leader to tone down their hatred of you.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't come from the standpoint of "Both sides have been driven completely insane with hatred, fear and mistrust", and tries to portray either the Israelies or the Palestinians as having some kind of moral advantage.. is out to lunch.

Jewishly yours,
Dave

[wum]

i didn't even have to say anything :)

[crookedking]

after reading the wum warning (or WW as i like to think of it) i was hoping for something better than that :(

[acidic_liquid]

I disagree, I think wum made a great comment.

I think it just shows the people who know the least are usually the ones who post the most bullshit. You have to keep talking otherwise people will figure out how little you know.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

To say that Jews are more cultured than Arabs is a fucking disgrace. To say Arabs have 'little structure' is blatantly racist. What the fuck are you talking about? Arabic cultures have some of the richest, most complex histories on earth. Their educational institutions were beacons of knowledge when Europe was in the dark ages. As so many others before you, you have deemed something you don't understand as 'backwardness'. What you see through your eyes may be interpreted as backward, but to others may be the cultural norm. How are you to fully understand the complexities of Arabic societies across space and time? When you speak of 'weaving', you don't mean weaving, you mean cultural assimilation with strong American undertones.

What I am trying to portray, is the differences between the two. Although at one time the Arabs of Israel worked along side Jews, there fighting has only raped them of the opportunities that were made available through the well structured governing of Israel. This does not go for all Arabs, as I said in my first post there are villages thriving within Israel that are specifically Arab only they are also looked down upon from a palestinian point of view.
This point of view narrowly stoked by the pure hatred of doing business with Jews. Woven into society, these arabs fight the same war. One with hope, not hate.

Israelis are a very multicultural people with no problem with the fact that they live in a multiracial society, and to me this says that they have changed with the times. Their defeats have only strengthened them as family and they don't use race as a means to expell people from their nation. Yes, it may appear to you as an AMERICAN state, but really they are only percieved that way because their views reflect that of western culture. Also, their ability to understand that modernism is another way of life, although not as appealing, they still are attempting to create a country that works well on a level that is scriptable to the world. Where men shake hands with women and past histories of prejudice are left behind.

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Today the Arabic cultures face challenges because of Europe's colonial involvement over the last few centuries and continued medalling by the United States to the present day.

They do face challenges and it is a sad situation for them to be in. But the reasons for them to feel that Jews do not deserve the right to go to their holy sites and occupy the tiny area of land that was given to them as a reserve are idealistic and downright greedy. There territories are huge and when they heard that Israel was being given back to the jews they also turned their backs on the already thriving towns of Jews and stoned them into heading for Israel as well. One halocaust after another and they have got a strong hold on what it takes to survive in the middle east. An army.

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Jews didn't always own Israel - and one could argue they still don't. 100 years ago, I'd say Jewish folks didn't have a firm grip. That some ancient book tells Jewish people that this was historically their land is a excactly what it is: history. "Hi, I'm from Canada, but there's a history book that tells me I'm from Africa. Does this give me the right 'reclaim' my 'traditional territory?" Of course it doesn't, so get off it. Indeed, in many ways, Israel is the occupying power in Palestine - if we work with more recent history, which is what everyone else does. Small country or no country, what is Isreal now was someone elses before the Yanks and Brits decided to make amends for what was a decidedly European disgrace.

As an unwanted people they continue to thrive with pressures unnimaginable to you. You say the country of Israel doesn't belong to Jews, as I imagine you would also believe that the natives of canada in a thousand years should hold no contracts binding. When natives have a holocaust of their own and no one will take the ships of fleeing souls I suppose there rights reserved will have no say in where they escape to.

The Natives could only hope that Canada would willingly give up the lower end of vancouver Island to accomodate a torn and victimized people, as we are a civilized nation with empathetic views to the natives of the land that we conquered so many years ago. Strength is found in history.

If you are saying that you think that the Arab states should have made this decision themselves and should not have been forced to reconsile their differences to accomodate a "European disgrace", then I can say with confidence, every ship of jews sent into exile would not have made it ashore.

Even through the history of fighting for peace there are still people like you that deem them as a people undeserving of a nation to call their own. SAD.

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Why are you throwing Israeli rhetoric around here? Its hauntingly short-sighted, culturally specific and frankly embarrasing. I'm neither Jewish nor Arab, but when you look at that region without invested interest or emotional attachment in it, there continue to be serious mal-treatments of people on both sides. Your post explains half of the problem.

The only problem present is the one that argues that Jews do not belong in Israel. Something that is historically wrong. Until the Arab Territories understand that this is a permanent placement and they aren't going to send them away with their tails between their legs by stoning them and making home-made missiles, like they have been attempting to do, the wars will rage on. I am sorry if I embarrassed you? Haunted your dreams or caused anyone reading this to become shortsighted?? That wasn't the plan. My plan was to bring you guys up to speed on what is really happening in Israel, not how you hear it from the news.

The Jews can feel that they are unwanted everyday, but they have nowhere to run to. Israel is the size of the Queen Charlotte's. Everywhere you look when you are in the country you can see a border, dividing them from countries they literally cannot step foot in.

Peace out. Perhaps we can have dinner sometime? I bet you would keep your mouth shut around my grandma who survived the halocaust. Tell her your opinion on how Europe's involvment in the German war set the Arab culture back. Then you can tell my grandmother born and raised in Yerushaliem, born in 1909, that Jerusalem didn't belong to Israelis 100 years ago.

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by acidic_liquid

I disagree, I think wum made a great comment.

I think it just shows the people who know the least are usually the ones who post the most bullshit. You have to keep talking otherwise people will figure out how little you know.

it is true.

there's a reason why i have the most posts :(

BUT I STILL UNDERSTAND ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT!!!!

[decypher]

Originally Posted by robyn

So you took a fieldtrip to the middle east and now you think you're an expert? That's endearing.

Thats like eating peanuts in a Hotel in London and saying you experienced the English culture.

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by crookedking

it is true.

there's a reason why i have the most posts :(

BUT I STILL UNDERSTAND ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT!!!!

WERDY! that show owns.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by Grapes

And this, in turn fuels hatred on the other side. Does the term "cycle of violence" mean anything to you?

Without your so-called cycle of violence, Islam would defeat it's opponents with no regard of lives lost. The only way to make sense of all of this is to understand that in them killing you, they wouldn't give a shit. You are nothing to them. Why do you think that they care so much about other people when the consistantly prove your notions wrong time after time. How many planes of rescuers have the Arab Islamic countries sent in to help the Tsunami aftermath??? LOL You are so naive!

In a previous post of mine I mentioned the reasons for stopping the immigration of muslims. Today on BBC they are reporting on Islam trying to expand their power to Indosnesia and overthrowing the government.

Originally Posted by GRAPES

And what a fantastic job they've done of that. Never any suicide bombings anymore, are there?

Actually you are correct o that one! YOU ARE A GENIUS!(and you don't even know it)

Originally Posted by Grapes

As far as I can tell, in this paragraph you agree that the preceeding justification for killing Palestinians is "crazy", but then explain that the nation at large tolerates it because they need to be protected from "abuse" (name calling?) and some vague notion of anti semitism.

Nothing like killing a people's spiritual leader to tone down their hatred of you.

In my paragraph I stated that the Jewish settlers are crazy for staying amongst a people fired with hatred for them and said that they themselves do no killing. It is the Israeli armies that protect them that are forced to kill when repeated attacks come from one rooftop, they send in foot soldiers(19 year old girls and boys) to stop the firing of bombs on innocent civilians.

Have you ever heard of Rabin? he was once the beloved ruler of Israelis. He was neither insane or a convicted mass murderer. What all of the assasinated leaders of the two countries didn't have in common, was the fact that leaders of the Arabs were always dishonest, fraudulent, murderers.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

In a previous post of mine I mentioned the reasons for stopping the immigration of muslims. Today on BBC they are reporting on Islam trying to expand their power to Indosnesia and overthrowing the government.

And of course, you are totally aware that Muslims represent 88 FUCKING PERCENT of Indonesia's population right?


Do you realize it's stupid to preach tolerance of one culture by preaching intolerance of another ?

Stopping immigration of a particular group of people? Calling them less cultured? Taking the liberty to stereotype an entire culture of people based on your own opinions and passing them off as facts? Hoooly shit, I seem to be remembering Nazis pull the same kind of bullshit years ago. Bravo hipocrite, braaaavo!

Do us all a favor and learn some more before you come back here and keep yipping. Your ignorance is disgusting.

[G-Style]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

And of course, you are totally aware that Muslims represent 88 FUCKING PERCENT of Indonesia's population right?


Do you realize it's stupid to preach tolerance of one culture by preaching intolerance of another ?

Stopping immigration of a particular group of people? Calling them less cultured? Taking the liberty to stereotype an entire culture of people based on your own opinions and passing them off as facts? Hoooly shit, I seem to be remembering Nazis pull the same kind of bullshit years ago. Bravo hipocrite, braaaavo!

Do us all a favor and learn some more before you come back here and keep yipping. Your ignorance is disgusting.

With every post this girls steals a little bit of my heart.

[wum]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

And of course, you are totally aware that Muslims represent 88 FUCKING PERCENT of Indonesia's population right?


Do you realize it's stupid to preach tolerance of one culture by preaching intolerance of another ?

Stopping immigration of a particular group of people? Calling them less cultured? Taking the liberty to stereotype an entire culture of people based on your own opinions and passing them off as facts? Hoooly shit, I seem to be remembering Nazis pull the same kind of bullshit years ago. Bravo hipocrite, braaaavo!

Do us all a favor and learn some more before you come back here and keep yipping. Your ignorance is disgusting.

Liberal theories of rainbow societies and universal brotherhood have fallen flat on their face. Indonesia, or any sovereign country for that matter, has the right to discriminate against any immigrating group they choose. Ultimately, the host society will choose what to 'tolerate' based on it's own values.

You make it sound like to deny anyone anything is on par with Nazism. Dead wrong. If the Netherlands never took on Muslims, or any of Western Europe for that matter, they wouldn't be in the middle of this 'multi-cultural' nightmare.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Do you realize it's stupid to preach tolerance of one culture by preaching intolerance of another ?

FUCKING RIGHTS!!!!!!


You must spread some Karma around before giving it to miss.myra again.

[mapleleaf4ever]

*sigh* Myra, you're so dreeeeaamy... :p

[sNyx]

Im going to follow this one a litte closer, don't be surprised if it turns closed.

[dabbler]

i would've assumed you'd have closed it earlier, but it seems to have drifted off now.

[Grapes]

How many planes of rescuers have the Arab Islamic countries sent in to help the Tsunami aftermath??? LOL You are so naive!

*clap*........ *clap*..... *clap.

Close this thread and lou belle's account.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Grapes

*clap*........ *clap*..... *clap.

Close this thread and lou belle's account.

what the hell. for making a good point?