do ya'll have dancesafe or something like it up there?

[dapimpstress]

you know they have like informational conferences, pill testing at parties, brochures... etc. etc.

[Carrie]

We used to have dancesafe up here, but it was just a bunch of ravers at a table with pamphlets telling us how to dancesafe. They really weren't educated on any of the information. Honestly it was just a way for ravers to get into parties for free.

Also pill testing wasn't allowed ... since drugs are illegal and if they were caught doing it, the pills would be taken and someone would get in trouble!

[dapimpstress]

right on... dancesafe is still supposedly going on in seattle however, WE never see them ANYWHERE... and since someone jus died last sat at a party for the first time since 2002... we are trying to get that shit going again.. jus wondering if it was already established up there so we could get some tips..

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by Carrie

We used to have dancesafe up here, but it was just a bunch of ravers at a table with pamphlets telling us how to dancesafe. They really weren't educated on any of the information. Honestly it was just a way for ravers to get into parties for free.

Also pill testing wasn't allowed ... since drugs are illegal and if they were caught doing it, the pills would be taken and someone would get in trouble!

Actually Nadia (Naughty-ah of the LX days) went to the conference down in Florida or somewhere and was the local dancesafe rep. She was quite well educated and informed and did her best to make sure the people who helped her out were educated too. The reason dancesafe didn't go over too well here was for a couple of reasons.

1) Lack of funding. They gave away the test kits on occasion and what not and of course they had to pony up for them. The support was there from the scene on a 'Good on ya, you can get in my party and set up a table for free' front but not on a monetary level.

2) Heat from local authorities that thought dancesafe PROMOTED drug use when it more so took the stance of 'We can't stop the kids from doing drugs so we might as well inform them the best we can on how to be safe'

It's a shame really because it's obviously still the same now.... you can't stop the kids from doing drugs but you sure can do your best to let them know how to protect themselves/be more responsible about it.

[FeelGood]

Sad to hear that someone died at a party, it truely is.

I wish we had pill testing at parties, but im sure that would go over well in Canada, and with the authorities, but it would be cool if we had something like that here.

If you really want to know what you are taking, then purchase a pill tester, and honestly if you dont think pitching out about $30-60 for a pill testing kit is worth it and you would rather just do the drug, then you need to re-consider how much your life is worth to you.

[dapimpstress]

im not worried about pill testers really, more like education for all the ravers... so they KNOW what e is doing to their bodies.

[mojo]

it would be good if we still had it..maybe some of the up and coming ravers wouldnt get so fucked up.

[dapimpstress]

looks like seattle and portland are going to begin new chapters, if anyone is interested in information, i can send you anything they send us.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Ashes

looks like seattle and portland are going to begin new chapters, if anyone is interested in information, i can send you anything they send us.

Id actually like that, I wouldnt mind educating myself even more.
I would also like to know the long term effects of ecstacy use (and NO im NOT talking about pills mixed with different drugs, im talking about MDMA only)

[mapleleaf4ever]

They had a mini-Dancesafe table at SSBB2.5, they were handing out Condoms too. lol Pamphlets and stuff, a real good idea. Although all the rav0rs I drove seemed to have grabbed condoms so I was finding them all over my Car for months.

[dapimpstress]

yeah... we want to basically educate as many people as we can.


the best way to do it is from ravers, to other ravers... so yeah, as soon as we get organized i will post what we have gotten from dancesafe. glad to see there is support up there too. we can all work together to make it rad.

[acidic_liquid]

I've only seen them at one or two parties back then (the ones at Riverside). I never noticed people taking them that seriously either. I guess people looked at them as a nagging parent. :(

[dapimpstress]

That's why if it's other raver kids that are giving out the info, they are more likely to listen. And you can never make everyone take thigns seriously... I think it's alot less likely that there will be ignorant kids out there doing drugs, if the information is all around them.

[FeelGood]

what other information do they provide other then the effects of mdma use and whatnot?
most people who rave and who do them already know most of that information I would assume, so when they have them at raves, they would be treating it as a nagging parrent becuase they assume they know most of the information.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by eighty5

what other information do they provide other then the effects of mdma use and whatnot?
most people who rave and who do them already know most of that information I would assume, so when they have them at raves, they would be treating it as a nagging parrent becuase they assume they know most of the information.

That's the thing bro. You would ASSUME they know. so would I. However, this is actually not the case. there are plenty of young users who don't know the long-term or even short-term effects, let alone, ways to prevent brain damage. Also, dancesafe does not only give out info about ecstacy, btu other drugs as well.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Ashes

That's the thing bro. You would ASSUME they know. so would I. However, this is actually not the case. there are plenty of young users who don't know the long-term or even short-term effects, let alone, ways to prevent brain damage. Also, dancesafe does not only give out info about ecstacy, btu other drugs as well.

Yeah well thats very nifty then, we should have Dancesafe tables at Raves in Vancouver, I dont see any negative things that would come along with one being present. Worst comes to worst only a few get educated, id rather have a few then none.

Maybe as mentioned earlier how most people would ignore the booth or laugh at it because of the whole nagging factor, if they gave out free water or had some giveaways. In order to get a free water all they had to do was fill out a quick 'What you know about drugs?' test or something very simple, that way they might actually come to the booth and give it a shot, who knows. I dont see it costing too much to have one at some parties.

I would greatly encourage Twisted productions and Solid Corporation and other production crews in the lower mainland to possibly give this a go, might have a good impact on the rave scene and maybe the nasty media would raise an eyebrow or two. I still think offering Redbull at parties and sort of gearing it towards you drinking it and giving yourself some energy rather then taking drugs was a decent idea, I suggest giving this a shot.

Maybe Im just talking shit, but this might work.

Good lookin out Ashes. Good thread as well.

[Mr.Wrong]

we like our drugs mysterious and unsafe

[trance4life]

drugs r bad mmmkay

[meth0dical]

i had a stack of drug pamphlets in flyer form that i got at experience 2002 nye; i think they were from a dancesafe table. they also had pill testing going on under the table but it was pretty hush hush because security was tight

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by eighty5

Id actually like that, I wouldnt mind educating myself even more.
I would also like to know the long term effects of ecstacy use (and NO im NOT talking about pills mixed with different drugs, im talking about MDMA only)

you are quite niave aren'tcha?
do you know how hard it is to get PURE MDMA that isn't cut with anything?
not very bloody likely.

[dapimpstress]

He is NOT naive for wanting to know the effects of pure MDMA, because tho it MAY BE hard to come by, that does not mean that it does not exhist.


Eighty5 you have alot of creative ideas and I'm excited to hear more.

:)

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by eighty5

Yeah well thats very nifty then, we should have Dancesafe tables at Raves in Vancouver, I dont see any negative things that would come along with one being present. Worst comes to worst only a few get educated, id rather have a few then none.

Maybe as mentioned earlier how most people would ignore the booth or laugh at it because of the whole nagging factor, if they gave out free water or had some giveaways. In order to get a free water all they had to do was fill out a quick 'What you know about drugs?' test or something very simple, that way they might actually come to the booth and give it a shot, who knows. I dont see it costing too much to have one at some parties.

I would greatly encourage Twisted productions and Solid Corporation and other production crews in the lower mainland to possibly give this a go, might have a good impact on the rave scene and maybe the nasty media would raise an eyebrow or two. I still think offering Redbull at parties and sort of gearing it towards you drinking it and giving yourself some energy rather then taking drugs was a decent idea, I suggest giving this a shot.

Maybe Im just talking shit, but this might work.

Good lookin out Ashes. Good thread as well.

For the most part it just won't fly man.... trust me on that. I was a part of dancesafe back in 99 to about 2002 and we had nothing but problems. See my post above for the exact reasons. It mostly boils down to the authorities not wanting it to happen.

You may be able to get away with an info table but not a pill testing table. I mean you could try and hide it under the table and such, which we did, but if you get caught it's a big pain in the ass to deal with the security. Either way, providing ANY sort of information to these kids is a good idea. When you hear the stories of some kid dieing because he took 8 caps you wonder if he even knew what he was ingesting.

Bottom line is there are a lot of ways to protect yourself when using various drugs and there are also a lot of misconceptions about what certain drugs do and how much a kid can handle. I don't think that it's viewed so much as a 'nagging parent' either. I'd venture a guess that most kids doing drugs are at least a little bit interested in what they can do to make it just a bit safer for themselves.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

I'd venture a guess that most kids doing drugs are at least a little bit interested in what they can do to make it just a bit safer for themselves.

i concur...

and anyone interested in volunteering, or helping brainstorm please see the other thread. thanks. <3 ashi

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Carrie

We used to have dancesafe up here, but it was just a bunch of ravers at a table with pamphlets telling us how to dancesafe. They really weren't educated on any of the information. Honestly it was just a way for ravers to get into parties for free.

what the fuck are you talking about.

all of the original dancesafe members had multiple meetings/courses and were very well versed in the material as well as the theory.

dave/theo did an awesome job helping everyone with the concepts of harm reduction and we were a great resource, unfortunately not many promoters cared.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by rawb

what the fuck are you talking about.

all of the original dancesafe members had multiple meetings/courses and were very well versed in the material as well as the theory.

Way to get all up in her grill rawb. You tell her what's what..... YOU HEAR THAT CARRIE???? DO YOU!!!!!??????