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And i dont understand the "practise what you preach" are you spying on me? Do you know what i get up to on a daily basis. Put my words into the relevent context. And just like i have my own personal biases in the front of my mind, such as being a person of color, coming from primarily a hindu and muslim background (theres just as many christian and catholics in my extended family) being a commi bastard and a bleeding heart. But the reality is that, i believe the majority of oppression of any and all communites is perpetuated by government and authority and big business. When i talk about community, i talk first and formost the most oppressed groups in the world. And lastly, the coming together of communities doesnt happen when everyone goes WE ARE THE SAME!!! we arent, not physically, and not socially, we are the same on the humanistic level, and with saying that we have to celebrate eachothers differences, and respect each others heritage. And most importantly WE HAVE TO CHALLENGE OUR OWN PRECONCEPTIONS AND BIASES AND CULTURAL BACKGROUND 24/7. So really what you are saying is a positive thing, but understand that im not "racially profiling" im investigating and dissecting opinion and reality. A "white person" and "I" may be the same as humans, but we came form completely different lives. Perhaps people actaully opening up, and speaking on the where they had it easy and where they had it hard in life, would be condusive to this. Most of the people who have gotten involved in this discusion who are "whit" have spoken on where they met challenges due to race, sex or religeon but no one has addressed where they had it easy. Perhaps this might take this discussion deeper? I know i may have had it hard in many respects, but at the same time, there were times when i slid in easier than others, and i am more than willing to discuss these times. This on going discussion is fucking amazing!! And i appreciate you taking the time to contribute, keep going, becuase god knows, i sure as hell dont have all the answers, nor am i always right. peace+respect shak ps: if you get in deep in this discussion here or elsewhere there is bound to be times of contridiction. Not only that, as much as im loathe to accept it, FLIP pointed out, that when emotionally charged discussion gets going, specific hypocricies will come up as well, which shouldnt always be a negetive. We get so fucking numb and desensitized at times, sometimes serious gut wrenching, belief shredding, face the mirror conflict is a good thing. In my group, fellow members challenge be so much, that at times, i lashed the fuck out, becuase i thought they were trying to back me into a corner, and you know what THEY WERE, and they encouraged by frustration and anger, becuase it was probably the only non violent way to get me to face specifc misconceptions. Ya dig? 
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Again, I find myself in complete agreement with you, I just ask that in the future you try to craft your posts with a little more tact. I have read much of what you have submitted to this board, and at times you can come off sounding like a Fijian Spike Lee or something, and it's a real shame because I think it turns people off of many of the valid points you make. You might glean some more constructive feedback if you stopped the historical finger pointing and blame assignment.
Just to clarify I'm not talking about anything in your last post addressed to me, just about what seems to be a recurring theme in your writings. I think you contribute a lot of good discussion here, and it pisses me off when threads you're involved in degenerate into racially-motivated flame fests. Nobody wants to be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors, every white person on this board knows about injustices in this world commited by "whites" and you know what? I bet just about all of them are as disgusted as you are, but I don't see anyone else beating people about the head with it, and I'm still trying to figure out what it is you're trying to accomplish by this.
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a) i bring up valid comments on real issues and i get flippant remarks that either paint a picture of such comunities as lazy, over aided, liars or just straight up not caring. b) if people speak on such issues, and only speak from a genrational point of view.Do you fucking belive that if we all learned from history, and understood its impact and relationship today, we would even have this fucking conversation? c) Quote:
aa) if i speak on indegenous rights, and someone replies that they get so much, and bla bla bla, and they ignore current racism and racism in the government, ill remind them at the end of the day, specific people may be reading more into my comments than i implied which then makes me wonder why? Perhaps this is the first time that they have? Who knows? But i care, i fucking promise you that. Instead of consitently talking about my words (its three times in the same thread now, all the while telling me you agree with my points) ADD some more of your own! Im not perfect in my approach, and i have aplologised, and i dont think there is anyone out there that can deny i havent atleast tried. Except for the post addressed to SEAN! where i confirmed his comment about me being a spaztic bla bla. But if you keep trying to delude the conflict and relevant struggle then im going to call you on here, and im gonig to call you on it in person etc etc. So add something man, i will take your words to heart. But if you want to get in honest discussion then stick to thrashing my points, and not assuming my personality. Calling me a fijian spike lee is somewhat funny, but i dont know its real context so it could be very insulting as well,so if you want to me to address on you on that level then we can do this, or we can have real dialogue. I can do either.
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I almost want to fucking hug you after this comment mate!!!!! You've touched on what i believe to be one of the most essential, and integral components to a lot of the issues we have been talking about. WHY THE FUCK IS IT SO HARD TO ESCAPE OR DEtACH FROM RACIST AND OPPRESSIVE IDEALS, BUSINESSES, COWORKERS, ETC ETC? WHY? WHY THE FUCK IS THS? -is it becuase we live in a time where we have some of the most brilliant technological advances in Canada, and yet we cannot come up with simple measures to feed, house, and educate the masses? -is because we live in a time where it is harder than ever before to afford post secondary education, safe and adequate housing, food and other essential supplies and yet government is able to double a military budget to 25.8 billion dollars? -is it because we all need to eat, and we all need to survive, and its hard enough to do this, without addressing the racism of bosses and authority figures? -is it because that mainstream media in Canada has become a consolidated monopoly, that perpetually mis reports biased, divisional and core racist ideas? -is it because OUR GOVERNMENT IS LESS REPRESENTATIONAL OF A LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC OF PEOPLE THAN EVER BEFORE? -WHY? WHY DO WE ALL HAVE OUR BACKS UP? WHY IS THE CONFLICT AT THE GENERAL COMMUNITY LEVELS, WHEN THE POLICIES AND STRUCTRES BEHIND THEM EXHIST IN PARLIMENT AND THE BOARDROOMS OF MANY BUSINESSES? -WHY DO WE MAKE ENEMIES OF NEIGHNORS, WHY ARE WE SO APATHETIC AND DESENSITIZED THAT IT IS EASIER TO THRASH SOMEONE WITH DANGEROUS OPINION RATHER THAN ATLEAST INVESTIGATING THE TARGETS OF SUCH OPINION? -WHY HAVE WE BECOME REPSONSIBLE FOR ONLY NUMBER ONE? the questions go on bro, and its these questions that need to be investigated, researched, and dissected, and as soon as fucking possible, becuase i trully believe the answers are the only fucking thing left, that will convince people to get up and get active. fuck! im so glad you brought that up man, so fucking glad!
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To be honest, I've made oodles of racist jokes and comments to friends and occasiuonally strangers, and with maybe a small handfull of exceptions, it was understood that they were innocent JOKES and not insults. The fact is, most racial jokes are based on stereotypes, which are not neccesairily true but often can be. I'm not saying that every black man steals, every asian can't drive, every Jew is cheap but statistically blacks do have a higher crime rate, asians do have higher accident rates and I'm a Jew and I hate wasting tihngs and love coupons!! What about saying a black guy has a big dick or an asian is good at math, well I haven't slept with any black guys recently but every chick I know who has, has said "Oh Damn, that's a huge cock!!" and in my high school, everyone used to cheap off the asain kids in math class cause they always aced every test. Anything you say out of hatred and with ill intent is offensive and wrong. And if your aim is to amuse, with no hard feelings what so ever, then where is the harm? I don't think fable was doing anything wrong by using "white trash", but at the same time I don't think anyone was doing any harm in those "fag" threads that got fable all huffy. There are much worse things you can do to someone than insult them, I say put the guns, knives and bombs down and let's whip out the big fat book of insults. I'd rather be called a dumb Jew or a kyke, than be stabbed, shot or blown the fuck up. My advice is ALL YOU BLACK, WHITE, BROWN, YELLOW, RED, PURPLE MOTHER-FUCKERS, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP!!!!!! By the way, it's not considered racism if you hate the Swiss. Fuck the Swiss!!!
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All I can says is if debating whether the term 'white trash' is derogatory or not stimulates discussion like this then I'm all for it.
It's about time people fired off whatever neurons they have left and posted something worth discussing.
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 Well, let's just pretend everything said online is sarcasm and therefore when it comes to the real deal we can say" Ooooooh, so you WEREN'T kidding~~~" *wink* :)
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^Lol I am half white, half metis. As a person of mixed origin i can see both sides of the story. You don't need to tell me life isnt easy for anyone, Iam not naive. This was not a discussion about general discrimination and tribulation that human beings in general must face. From what I have seen, heard and experienced in my life; i can honestly tell you white people DONT have it as bad as the rest,as far as racism is concerned anyway. I am not about to rant about all the wrong doings that friends and family of mine have had to deal with due to racism. I'll Spare you that. But if you are trying to suggest that the racism white people have to deal with is equal to what most minority groups STILL face today, you need some serious schooling on the subject( and quick). It's a shame that most white people do not have a single clue how devastating racism is and has been to certain coultures in the world. Or if they do, they simply write it off because they think that their life's problems are comparable.
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The fact that white people can be so insensitive and clueless about this subject is a pretty strong hint that Racism may not affect the White race as negatively as it does others.
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^I am half white. Most of my friends are white.
So how about you come off it? I was not in any way invalidating the suffering of white people.... You've got it completely wrong Iam not saying my life in particular has been made difficult because of racism. You know what it really hasn't, because most people don't think I am anything but a white guy with a tan. I'm speaking on behalf of the people who have had difficult times because of it. Last edited by -evil-duerr-; Dec 03, 05 at 11:55 PM.
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But once again, im going to go out on a limb, and say most heads on this site are pretty on the level in regards to understanding the issues, but perhaps it may be the first time people have to look into themeselves. I know it was very hard for me, when i had to question my life . I put up a serious fucking fight no doubt. I was a drunk, i was a crackhead, i was spending money like no tommorow, making huge cash for assholes, self centred, didnt give a fuck about anyones stuggles, stuck up, self righteous (with no real clue) And all i did was party 24/7, and i wasnt even having fun. Im not saying this is the same story for anyone else, but im just touching on that dealing with this shit is fucking HARD! Your half metis eh? Have you ever heard of Red Wire Indigenous Youth Magazine?
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^ That poor white child could still walk into grocery stores when he's older without being followed by store security. Good thing he has a tight bond with his family. Not being harassed by security and authority figures in general is rough.... i dont know how we do it!
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I've worked too many retail jobs. If you think i get my views on this subject from tv, you are mistaken.
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But i was not complaining. I just wanted to address my views on the subject.
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I disagree racism isnt "just like any other abuse" Where as physical and sexual and emotional abuse has the ability to literally render an INDIVIDUAL into a vegetable, racism and attached class and gender prejudices have the ability to render the innate ability of an entire race to coexist effectively with the rest of the planet.
Not only can racism effect psycho-social aspects of a race in the present, but in the future. Look how much conflict there is just talking about the history of Canada! Racism effects the economic standing of a community, and in this world, we are seeing a consistan shift to massive secularism, which in the short term benefits a community, but the chances of building a larged global community (and im not talking about being able to do business via wireless web with someone in greece in real time) but rather, we may actaully revert to a tribalistic sence, that i believe will be more war like, then co-existant. Im no doctor of ethnic anthropology, or social psychology, but i do firmly believe that for us to deal with racism effectively we have to first deal with HOW WE DEAL WITH RACISM. Quote:
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