Is it rape? Female teachers and their students.

I don't often get to catch Oprah but yesterday her show was about this phenomenon of female teachers who engage in sexual relationships with their students.

Example stories....

Debra Lafave
This particular woman, had 3 seperate relationships with students, so I agree she has a problem. Not on the show, but Oprah did some partial insight on this woman.

Lisa Zuniga Duran
This Lady had an affair with her student, got pregnant by him and now his parents are sueing for custody of the child. Lisa was on the Oprah show, being interviewed, during the interview the parents of the victim lied to Oprah about visitation of the child and why they were trying to get custody. Lisa admits all fault and has undergone therapy twice a week since the incident. During the interview, the victims parents continued to call this woman a rapist.

Mary Kay Letourneau
Here is a woman who on several occasions got in trouble for having an affair with her student, who she is now married to and has two children with.

These women were all made examples of in the justice system. They all have served some sort of sentence. They also all have to report as a "sex offender", no matter where they live. Meaning that if they have children, they can't go to the park with them, or drop them at school in the morning.

Save for the first woman, do you think this is rape? The boys involved all said on the show that they loved these women, and would probably continue with the relationships if allowed. The boys were of sound mind and body when they made the choice to be with them. One of the boys actually stated that he thought it was cool that he got play from an older woman.

I think it is wrong that these women took advantage of the boys considering the position they were in. But I don't think it is rape(that constitutes violence to me), and I don't think these women should be labelled the way men are labelled as a "sex offender".

Is the law too one-sided? Are these women actual predators?

[sNyx]

I'd stand up for her in court if the sex was good.

[Silverwinged]

age is a number, point and simple.
if the boy didn't say no... if he was cohearant and knew what was going on...
then what the hell is the issue?
transfer the kid to a different school if its that big of a deal, or dont allow the woman to have said student in her class.
fuck this makes me mad.

[PwInCeSs]

Rape, well statutory(sp?) yes. To say one woman shouldnt be there cargiver of her child because she "raped a boy" i dunno how i feel about that.
It does seem like these women are given less harsh punishment then the men though.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by PwInCeSs

Rape, well statutory(sp?) yes. To say one woman shouldnt be there cargiver of her child because she "raped a boy" i dunno how i feel about that.
It does seem like these women are given less harsh punishment then the men though.

hmmm, but to me they deserve less punishment! a sex offender to me is someone who has sexually "offended" someone. grabbed them, touched them, made them do things they didn't want to do. those boys are old enough to know what was happening. they said yes! i think its wrong to label her as a sex offender. she's not a danger to children, she just slept with a younger person.

and rape??? what ever happened to the saying "you can't rape the willy" :)

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by TrixX

hmmm, but to me they deserve less punishment! a sex offender to me is someone who has sexually "offended" someone. grabbed them, touched them, made them do things they didn't want to do. those boys are old enough to know what was happening. they said yes! i think its wrong to label her as a sex offender. she's not a danger to children, she just slept with a younger person.

and rape??? what ever happened to the saying "you can't rape the willy" :)

No i mean the women teachers verse the men teachers get less punishment. Double standard. Yes less then sex offenders is expected, but the women get away with it more then men.

And yes i agree the kids are willing, but the law states that an 12 year old can not consent to sex.

Originally Posted by PwInCeSs

Rape, well statutory(sp?) yes. To say one woman shouldnt be there cargiver of her child because she "raped a boy" i dunno how i feel about that.
It does seem like these women are given less harsh punishment then the men though.

Rape to me is violent, and perverse.

I think that these women do this do to self-esteem issues. Not because they like little boys.

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by Avana

Rape to me is violent, and perverse.

I think that these women do this do to self-esteem issues. Not because they like little boys.

O i completly agree, thats where the Statutory comes in, they are willing there just young. I think there should be a different term for it. Sadly though it is the law and they broke it, knowing what could happen.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by PwInCeSs

No i mean the women teachers verse the men teachers get less punishment. Double standard. Yes less then sex offenders is expected, but the women get away with it more then men.

And yes i agree the kids are willing, but the law states that an 12 year old can not consent to sex.

yeah i see what you're saying! i do agree that it is easier to convince a younger boy or girl into sex but i don't think that constitutes as rape. i agree with avana on the fact that rape is a violent experience!

hmmm, but the picture of a man sleeping with a 12 year old girl does paint quite a different picture for me.

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by TrixX

hmmm, but to me they deserve less punishment! a sex offender to me is someone who has sexually "offended" someone. grabbed them, touched them, made them do things they didn't want to do. those boys are old enough to know what was happening. they said yes! i think its wrong to label her as a sex offender. she's not a danger to children, she just slept with a younger person.

and rape??? what ever happened to the saying "you can't rape the willy" :)

RAPE THE WILLING*****

jesus.

[Vitamin-X]

Okay, but what happens when a 12-14 year old boy get his teacher pregnant? That's a heavy thing to put on kid who isn't old enough to vote.
I doubt these kids have the maturity to say no, and that's just what they are "kids".
Teacher/student sex isn't cool whether the teacher is male or female.
If you want to teach -then teach. If you want sex- hit up singles bar.



On a side note- If I found out my son had knocked up his teacher her ramaining lifespan would encompass how long it took for me to find her.

[Heffy]

I can think of a few teacher i would have liked to of been "raped" by!!!!

And even more that I'm glad didn't! LOL!

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by TrixX

yeah i see what you're saying! i do agree that it is easier to convince a younger boy or girl into sex but i don't think that constitutes as rape. i agree with avana on the fact that rape is a violent experience!

hmmm, but the picture of a man sleeping with a 12 year old girl does paint quite a different picture for me.

Exactly, i agree that rape isnt the right word, but its the legal term hense why i used it.
It does paint quite a different picture, a more disturbing one, but when it comes down to it its just as bad.
11, 12, 13 its just not right no matter the sex.

[MissBehavior]

I don't know about "rape", but it's a GROSS abuse of power/position, IMO.

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

Okay, but what happens when a 12-14 year old boy get his teacher pregnant? That's a heavy thing to put on kid who isn't old enough to vote.
I doubt these kids have the maturity to say no, and that's just what they are "kids".
Teacher/student sex isn't cool whether the teacher is male or female.
If you want to teach -then teach. If you want sex- hit up singles bar.



On a side note- If I found out my son had knocked up his teacher her ramaining lifespan would encompass how long it took for me to find her.

I see what you are saying, but how is that any different than a 13y/o boy knocking up a 13y/o girl. I went to high school with a few of these. How is this any different or any less "heavy"?

[PwInCeSs]

Do we consider the male teachers who do this predators? Most people do yes, I dont see what makes the women different.

I dont think they are rapists, or they will stalk kids and attack them and what not. But these women are just as bad as the male teachers who do the same.

[dabbler]

double standards innit

[Ashley*Dawn]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

age is a number, point and simple.
if the boy didn't say no... if he was cohearant and knew what was going on...
then what the hell is the issue?
transfer the kid to a different school if its that big of a deal, or dont allow the woman to have said student in her class.
fuck this makes me mad.

so if you were a mom and your 11,12, or 13 year old son had sex with his teacher you wouldn't want her punished for it. I know I sure as hell would....age is a number when you 18 or older and smart enought to know what your doing not 13!. It's stachatory rape... Plain and simple.

That tool that Myles put on FNK for spell-checking never gets used, does it!?

These women need to be punished, there is no doubt about that. They are in an influential position and as such, can easily persuade a young person to do what they want. But to make them apply as a "sexual offender" in every state and city they move to is a bit harsh. To me, "sexual offender" means violence.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

RAPE THE WILLING*****

jesus.

:146:

ugh.......you obviously aren't quick enough to get the pun intended there :)

[cinist]

i thought oprah was a bit weak yesterday, she talking around that kid and about him, instead of talking to him.

and yes i think it's rape. teachers are the closest thing to parents for some kids, it's definatly abuse.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by TrixX

:146:

ugh.......you obviously aren't quick enough to get the pun intended there :)

its ok i got it. :) think your pretty smrt don't ya? lol

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by TrixX

:146:

ugh.......you obviously aren't quick enough to get the pun intended there :)

uh.
i dont see how there was a pun there.


If i was a mom, and my son was under the age of 15-16, yes i would be angry.
But any older than that, and they know EXACTLY whats going on.

[impure]

i think everthing is circumstantial.

[mojo]

rape, no.

abuse of power, yes.

They should lose their teaching licences and be flagged like any sex offender is. Gender should not have anything to do with it.