Canadian Government Extends War Drive

[BAL1STOPHER]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

chuck, youre a gun toting redneck!and the very reason why our countrys gone to hell in a hand basket.

thats my homie, hes yellow

[sidekick]

^ah yes, the drunken pop n' locker at mad beats, i believe?

[BAL1STOPHER]

hes also fucking santa clause.....put it on his tab

[mapleleaf4ever]

Eliminating all of the Terrorists in the World is like nailing Jell-O to a Tree.

Go try it and you'll understand. As far as I'm concerned as long as the Taliban Regime is gone and a stable running Government is bolstered with Canadian Support it will be better than what they used to have in Afghanistan.

As for Iraq... before they even Invaded I said that they were full of shit and going to find nothing. That country is a lost cause. It'll turn into another Somalia which hasn't had an effective or functioning Government since about 1991. Canada shouldn't touch that Hot Potato with a Bargepole.

[Chuck]

The problem is there is no pulling out now. It was unanimously decided by the international community that Afghanistan under its current regime, was intolerable in its governments its actions. The world agreed. This is not just me saying so.

The situation as it stands is not doable for a complete withdrawal of the occupation. Canadian soldiers there are noted for NOT being an occupying force and try to do so in all aspects. Down to the fact that they were mismatched camouflage, notice that? Dessert uniforms mixed with the standard dark green. They specifically did this to be SEEN. They want the people to know that they are there and not trying to be hostile.

Thats why i commend another 2 years. When moderate stability is in place, under proper international consensus, then let the withdrawal begin. Canada is the largest force in Afghanistan but NATO is there as well. Its not just Canada that is involved, the world will be involved here to ensure that a prosperous country is left behind. That is their goal. The Taliban is still in much control and has much fighting power left, as seen, and will readily retake the nation over, resorting it to its past debauched state of humanitarian and terroristic crimes.

Bring up IRAQ though, and the US has quite the debaucle on their hands.

Once again, we are not arguing that, but i fell the need to reiterate due to what seems a confliction of arguments.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Chuck

I love this. All of a sudden I am an illiterate, uneducated white supremacist.

I am neither white nor am I 16.

Good on you folks, this thread is pointless now, as it seems to have turned into a total bs personal attack thread. I think half of fables last thread was consumed by his utter hatred of my point of view, and his desire to attempt to undermine me by labelling me a white supremacist, uneducated redneck.


Afghanistan is not being attacked under BS pretenses, or does intenational concensus and NATO all of a sudden become totally irrelevant to any of you.

Iraq is not being debated here.

At least blunteds last post made sense. Sure Iraq was invaded under questionable pretenses and the US especially needs to check out its own foreign policy of policing the world. Definately questionable. Other than a corrupt regime of its own, there really wasnt much right to go there. No argument there.

But it seems that terrorist breeding grounds who willingly support the suicide bombing of children and such all run ok by your standards.

And Im still arguing a point with no counterpoint.

What is your solution to terrorism other than eliminating the terrorists?

The white supremacist bit was more indicative of your words and your inability to sound like naive, nra card carrying lunatic. My humble apologies.

And yes I do utterly detest your point of view. I ain’t hiding this fact.
You are making a point with no counterpoint? You can tell me you're not sixteen all you want bro, but you words scream it. What exactly is your point? That the current war and occupation of Afghanistan is payback?

(cue in whiny 5 year old voice) HEY! HE HIT ME FIRST!!!

What came before 9/11? I haven’t heard anything in your writing that shows that you have any understanding of US involvement in the middle east since the early seventies, nor any idea of how capitalism, war, economy and foreign interests correlate.

All I’m hearing is something akin to "your a hippie, they attacked us, lets attack them!"

Wow, that’s profound mate! How many more accounts of what current realities are like for Afghanistan civilians do I have to give you? What facts do i still need to share? What realistic sentiment have you grasped? Asides from a need for revenge and some fucked up "war on terror"

The US created terrorism when fighting south American guerillas forces in the cold war era. At the time south American revolutionary forces took up an action plan to hit strategic political structures. The US took it a step further and started attacking political figures, then ultimately civilians. This of course all happened while the US was running proxy war in nations across Africa.

(chucks feeble racist brain( WHY DOES FABLE KEEP BRINGING UP ALL THIS IRRELEVENT SHIT!!?!?!?

Because it is fucking relevant! How does one war exist completely out of context from wars being fought by the same nations elsewhere? HOW? How does nations that have a track record of oppressive war and occupation for the interest of expanding business and annexing economic goldmines for their own interest suddenly be able to fight a just war against terrorism AND PEACEKEEP at the same fucking time?

Iraq is an example because the SAME things are happening in Afghanistan. People weren’t supporting a massive pull out of Iraq two years ago!? Heads like you where calling for more carpet bombing of the insurgency! And insurgency made up of of average Iraqi people who have had enough. People like you labeled them terrorists, until you where raw in the throat. Just like you are doing know for those who are fighting against imperialist invasion in Afghanistan now! For someone not to compare and contrast similar campaigns taken on by the same nations in the same relative time frame is ignorance on such a grand scale, I need to sincerely ask if you are in fact a troll account?

Imperialist nations don’t give a fuck about "terrorists" past their own self interest being hindered. They don’t care about Canadian soldiers, they don’t care about Afghan children getting blown away by Canadian soldiers when they don’t slow down at a checkpoint fast enough and they sure as hell don’t give a fuck about you.

And lastly instead of thinking that the answer to Afghanistan’s problems lay in the west why don’t let the people Of Afghanistan IN Afghanistan take the reign? I don’t need to give an alternative plan other than continue my work that uncovers the true nature of current war and occupation and seeks to empower the most marginalized peoples to take a more active role in their naions politics outside of the contemporary scope. I don’t live in some fantasy, arrogant world where I think I get to have a say in how another nation builds its society. Nor are we at the level of self government The level of civilian participation of Canadian Civilians is horrendously low, and hence why a parliament can decide to double a military budget or extend a war without more than a few articles and a televised (time delayed) debate.

[BAL1STOPHER]

yo guys, ever heard of sunshine.....

[Chuck]

Uncovering what was happened in the past is a moot point at this time.

It is simply imperative in my opinion that Afghanistan remain under the guise of UN(however detestable that may be) and NATO control at this time. Whereupon when proper stability is achieved, a properly planned withdrawal can be executed.

Terrorism exists and no one can deny it. Its roots are well known and the international community, the public and the you and me both know full well these are teh simple reprecutions of an overseas policy that has backlashed full force in the face of those who created it.

However, this is not cause for the justifiable execution of continued terrorist attacks at this current time. How can one argue that? By your explanations it is almost considered acceptable and thoroughly justified behaviour to commit these acts due to the fact that its simply REVENGE ITSELF.

That is the hypocricy in what you tell me. You claim that these terrorist attacks are the result of hateful breeding towards imperialist nations for their past actions. Fine. Accepted fact. But then the statement would be true as well that their attacks are simply REVENGE. Which side of the fence does one sit on now? Both sides are ultimately guilty in the end.

What is at stake here, is that the fact that now that we have this league of brainwashed, suicidal zealots bent on the destruction of the western nations. It is not an arguable fact, terrorists have made it a clear point time and time again that the destruction of the modern western world as we know it is their ultimate goal. There is no negotiation with them, there is no barter, there is no trade. TO think that a peaceful solution can be achieved is akin to turning a blind eye to the truth. Never have I heard yet of a feasable peaceful solution to the proper removal of terrorism. They cannot be negotiated with, plain and simple.

I also reiterate that at this time, their hatred of us all is so deeply ingrained that even IF, we removed ourselves from that area altogether, it would only serve as fuel for their destructive desires, and to the terrorists, a sign of western weakness. They can only hope the public will side with them to expel us from attacking them. And they will continue to attack, their is no doubt about that, and in seeing our weakness will they attack even more vehemently. It has been stated by themselves and their leaders time and time again in numerous publicized videos and speaches that the destruction of the west and of israel is their number one priority. Not just expulsion from thier homelands, but complete destruction.

So we can talk of the past, we can talk of the roots of the problem but now we have a large, dark and ominous tree. One that lashes out with its branches to strike at the free world.

In the end i see only 1 solution, one that was echoed by most of the international community as a necessity to ensure a continued peace. There is NO peacekeeping, the UN is useless. We now have realized there is only peacemaking. These people do not listen to talk and do not accept reason. As was mentioned before, it is akin to telling a bully not to steal the lunch money from children. They laugh at your incessant notions and only play along as a game to appease you in person, only to continue their heinous activities when their back is turned. Peacekeeping as you name it died with the UN's involvement in Serbia, Kosovo and the rest of the balkan states involved in that fiasco. It was clearly shown that warring minds to not care if you get involved, they will do as they please regardless.
As is the same with terrorists, only terrorists are at war with us, not themselves.

So enough banter about the past and causes, we have a problem now. It must be dealt with, and that is the situation it has become.

[Vitamin-X]

^^
An exceedingly sensable viewpoint.
Now for a little less sense.

Oh how I love it when our imperious cdn tanks roll over villages and houses.
How I cheer when the Cdn airforce bombs towns and villages simply for the fun of it. Without this jazz there would be nothing to watch at six oclock.
Go war!

[BAL1STOPHER]

chuck, fable , guys.....GO OUTSIDE

[Chuck]

Oh how I love it when our imperious cdn tanks roll over villages and houses.
How I cheer when the Cdn airforce bombs towns and villages simply for the fun of it. Without this jazz there would be nothing to watch at six oclock.
Go war!

Kanada kanada uber alles, uber alles in der welt? Wenn sie stets zu schutz und trutze bruderlich zusammenhalt!

OOKOKOKOK......if you understood that and know what it is it would look extremely poorly upon myself right now. But i speak a little german and had learned that somewhere along the line. IM NOT WHITE so get over it ;)

ah yes, the drunken pop n' locker at mad beats, i believe?

Indeed indeed, has my reputation preceeded myself? Or have i met you sidekick?
:P


Im henceforth partaking this entire discussion as if it was a theatre full of pseudo-intellectual comedians on a vodka brewing company funded trip taking turns on a stage with nothing more than a single word upon a placard to argue the crowd with.
And that placard read......Afghanistan.

[esoter1c]

War is nature/natural.

OMFG the red ants and the black ants are fighting !1!!!

Fucking red ants always tryin to keep the black ant down.:konrad:

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Chuck

Indeed indeed, has my reputation preceeded myself? Or have i met you sidekick?

no you haven't met me, but i was there. black spikey hair, red striped shirt.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Chuck

Kanada kanada uber alles, uber alles in der welt? Wenn sie stets zu schutz und trutze bruderlich zusammenhalt!

hahahahahahahahah

[Bevvy Swift]

Originally Posted by Chuck

im curious as to what you guys think would be an appropriate response to the 9/11 attacks then.

maybe some should have invaded Washington? d-uh, if you payed attention to whats actually happeining in the world youd already know that 9/11 was an inside job, and those responsible for it are still spreading fear and hatred between our cultures. its sad that someone who sees himself as educated and cultured has allowed himself to be assimilated into the fear machine that bush has created.

[Chuck]

LOL Tinfoil hat brigade spread out and attaaaaaaaack!

:D

[Chuck]

Within certain circles it would be considered the proper thing to lay claim to hatred of bush and all this war on terrorism. Its almost not cool man! NOT COOL OR KOSHER!

Within other circles it would be considered the proper thing to lay claim to the conservative side of things and argue the evil and corrupt regimes within them and their terrible humanitarian record of vile killings upon humans and thier breeding of terrorism.

ANd with all this granola munching, left wing socialist commentary from the peanut gallery thrown at me, its almost like you all outcast me because i dont fit into your idealistic and rebellious ideas of sociopolitical interest. Strange how i feel like im 16 again rebelling against sometihng, when you all consider yourselves rebelling for the right cause.


Fight the power.

Oh and for the uninformed that claims bush has control over me, hahahaha.

I REITERATE once again......sigh, since people just dont get it........that it was UNANIMOUS INTERNATIONAL CONSENT, even by the ill fated UN and NATO themselves....yes unfortunately THE WHOLE WORLD agreed something needed to be done about afghanistan.

But i guess that notion is lost upon some people and its all just Bush right?

I think even here a deep ingrained hatred of Americans and Bush has biased all your comments unto the point where you even argue irelevant issues! Bush is 1 part of a puzzle going into afghanistan. If you attack a NATO country, NATO will get involved, as it has.

[fable]

Uncovering what was happened in the past is a moot point at this time.

Are you fucking kidding me?? So in complete ignorance of imperialist precedent you feel like you can make claim that current war and occupation are justified? As if this war exists in a bubble and takes no lessons from countless wars before??

It is simply imperative in my opinion that Afghanistan remain under the guise of UN(however detestable that may be) and NATO control at this time. Whereupon when proper stability is achieved, a properly planned withdrawal can be executed.

Under the guise of the UN? You have problems with vocabulary/English too?
The UN hasn’t changed an ounce since the days when it was called the league of nations - a "boys club" of those who reaped the benefits of W.W.I and W.W.II and used the structure of the league to care up the world

Terrorism exists and no one can deny it. Its roots are well known and the international community, the public and the you and me both know full well these are teh simple reprecutions of an overseas policy that has backlashed full force in the face of those who created it.

If you claim to as much as you do about terrorism than you are also aware that almost 100% of academic/military sources whether reactionary or not, share a sentiment that such actions are further perpetuated by

a) military reaction to said "terrorist threat"
b) growing inequality between the ruling classes of the world and the rest of the population

However, this is not cause for the justifiable execution of continued terrorist attacks at this current time. How can one argue that? By your explanations it is almost considered acceptable and thoroughly justified behaviour to commit these acts due to the fact that its simply REVENGE ITSELF.

No! In no way or form do most condone the act of "terrorism" That is just your inability to understand that peoples actions are created by the conditions in which they exist in, most of which in contemporary times are synthetic. And in understanding this existence of synthetic conditions that see the bulk of balance of power with those who have the greatest capital the core of "terrorism" or inhumane acts are exposed. While you are enchanted with the peripheral and the obvious, you ignore the sinister infinitely more relevant core.

That is the hypocricy in what you tell me. You claim that these terrorist attacks are the result of hateful breeding towards imperialist nations for their past actions. Fine. Accepted fact. But then the statement would be true as well that their attacks are simply REVENGE. Which side of the fence does one sit on now? Both sides are ultimately guilty in the end.

Stop using words of which you have no idea how to use. What hypocricy is there in stating that current "terrorist" activities are a reaction to the source of current war and occupation?

What is at stake here, is that the fact that now that we have this league of brainwashed, suicidal zealots bent on the destruction of the western nations. It is not an arguable fact, terrorists have made it a clear point time and time again that the destruction of the modern western world as we know it is their ultimate goal. There is no negotiation with them, there is no barter, there is no trade. TO think that a peaceful solution can be achieved is akin to turning a blind eye to the truth. Never have I heard yet of a feasable peaceful solution to the proper removal of terrorism. They cannot be negotiated with, plain and simple.

Gods man, you are paranoid, delusional, prejudiced, and now bent on taking mob mentality backwoods fables and turning them into some sort of practical basis for increased action? Your are simply one of the most reactionary people i have come across in some time/. Suicidal zealots??? How bout we ask - what the fucking conditions are that drive a 16 year old boy to blow himself up in desperation? Then lets ask who are creating such conditions. You turned on one questionable communication of some "terrorists" without taking into consideration how it was created in the first place and think you can create some policy that would counter it?

I also reiterate that at this time, their hatred of us all is so deeply ingrained that even IF, we removed ourselves from that area altogether, it would only serve as fuel for their destructive desires, and to the terrorists, a sign of western weakness. They can only hope the public will side with them to expel us from attacking them. And they will continue to attack, their is no doubt about that, and in seeing our weakness will they attack even more vehemently. It has been stated by themselves and their leaders time and time again in numerous publicized videos and speaches that the destruction of the west and of israel is their number one priority. Not just expulsion from thier homelands, but complete destruction.

You are now officially the most reactionary bigot with no understanding of a foreign culture, and yet you think that without any real education, any real interaction, and real comprehension, you can say the things you do? DO YOU have any idea HOW IGNORANT YOU SOUND?

So we can talk of the past, we can talk of the roots of the problem but now we have a large, dark and ominous tree. One that lashes out with its branches to strike at the free world.

And it becomes ever more ominous due to fucks like you.

In the end i see only 1 solution, one that was echoed by most of the international community as a necessity to ensure a continued peace. There is NO peacekeeping, the UN is useless. We now have realized there is only peacemaking. These people do not listen to talk and do not accept reason. As was mentioned before, it is akin to telling a bully not to steal the lunch money from children. They laugh at your incessant notions and only play along as a game to appease you in person, only to continue their heinous activities when their back is turned. Peacekeeping as you name it died with the UN's involvement in Serbia, Kosovo and the rest of the balkan states involved in that fiasco. It was clearly shown that warring minds to not care if you get involved, they will do as they please regardless.
As is the same with terrorists, only terrorists are at war with us, not themselves.

The only solution that is within our current grasp is to counter people like you 24/7 and expose your blind hate and stupidity for it is.

[fable]

Heres a few quotes from statements made by the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (the primary womens/human rights domestic movements since the mid seventies)
http://www.rawa.org

Another Eighth of March has arrived but still the Afghan women are hostage to the fundamentalists’ claws. The continuation of traitor-loving policies of Mr. Karzai and his sympathetic friends by the indication of US government is still like spears entering deeper and deeper into the injured face of our unfortunate people.

Since once again the fundamentalist jehadis of the "Northern Alliance," which have long been oppressors and violators of women’s rights and education, are back in power with the support of the US and its allies, no radical change has happened in the economic, social, political and educational life of the people, particularly women. In order to deceive the outside world and make happy their masters, the Northern Alliance pays lip service to democracy and women’s education… but their mentality and treatment of women is the same. The biggest threat to Afghan girl’s education is the domination of "Northern Alliance" criminals. That is why in most provinces girls don’t feel secure, are afraid of going outside their homes and rarely have access to educational institutions near their homes.

The circumstances of the last four years in our ill-fated country has taught a lesson to our people, that for liberation from vultures like Sayyaf, Qanoni, Muhaqiq, Rabbani, Ismail, Dustom, Khalili, Mujadidi, and Khaliqi and Parchami footmen, and interference of foreign countries, they have no other option but to come together around freedom-loving and democratic organizations, and with their thunderous strength throw away the religious criminals from power. No demon has the power to stand against the strength of the masses for long.

[esoter1c]

I hear voices in my head
Someone's voice is in my head
Be afraid
Be afraid
Take a pill and you'll get laid
Someone's gotta make it stop
Make it stop
Make it stop
Someone stole the remote control

I can't even go to sleep
Voices in my head repeat
Stay awake
Stay awake
Like a car without a brake

I got nothing else to do
Sit around and watch the tube
Gather information
That is useless agrivation
I refuse
I refuse
To be any more confused

What is happening to me
Happens all across society
Make it stop
Make it stop
All of us are gonna rot
Living in a system
Where you can't connect the fucking dots
Stop

I hear voices inside my head
Someone's voice is in my head

[Chuck]

ominous fucks, ignorance blah blah, once again comes the berated child denied his ice cream cone.

It would be small wonder and small minds that fall into favor with the way you present yourself.

[sidekick]

this isn't so much an argument anymore so much as it is a massaging of the intellectual ego.

why don't we all agree that each of you think you know more than the other person and then we can all have a nice glass of warm milk and go to bed?

[Chuck]

Thats my idea.

I respect the fact that you all have ideas all your own. Fine, thats teh way the cookie crumbles, and im all open to having a proper debate regarding it....albeit it seems personal attacks and namecalling seem to be a rather glaringly immature way of going about things. All i have here is a bunch of people who have nothing better to say regarding the topic than bush this bush that, your white LOL, your a redneck blah blah ignorance blah blah fuck this fuck that im superior and basically going to talk you down to win this conversation rather than present myself in an educated fashion. Glaringly obvious.

and I think Fables delicate ego gets severly tarnished when anyone even so much as questions his seemingly pseudointellectual might. The amount of hatred he has for those who so much as look at him funny must really run his blood pressure high. You really need to chill, even if i was a curious passerby overlooking this argument, I would definately discredit you as being an overzealous nutjob bent on self glorification.

[sidekick]

^yeah, i've had many an argument with fable and i've come to this conclusion: he's a smart guy, but he gets angry and a little holier-than-thou too easily, which can cloud how smart he is. i think he knows this, too.

edit: but then again, we all get stupid when we get into arguments. i do too.

[Chuck]

but then again, we all get stupid when we get into arguments. i do too.

Cheers to that. In the end to each their own, i will not discredit your PERSON for what you believe, but i can try to discredit what you believe in.