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I dont support the Taliban or the Northern alliance.But how do foreign imperialist interest and subsequent occupation have anything to do with instilling humanitarian rights or democracy? The northern alliance was put in power by the US, and the Taliban would have never come to power in the first place if they where not outfitted in order to fight the US proxy war against Russia. You have no clue if somone is Taliban or not. It so entrenched in propaganda these days that the fine line between real life religeous orthodoxy and someone reacting to 20 years of occupation and war, are completely blurred, Its western arrogance that thinks its our duty to invade a sovereign nation for their own good. This of course becomes irrelevent in light of the fact that it comes down to good ol fashioned imperialism. 
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Jun 25, 06
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Coward? Do you know me? Are what I do, outside of this board? What are you basing your asessment on? I dont know if you've look outside lately, but the level of participation in grass roots social justice endevours isnt anywhere close to high. So what am I supposed to do, thats in keeping with your fucked up confused ideals? Im thinking you where actaully serious about strapping a bomb to my chest. But all that would achieve is to cement your backwoods, trash mentality about immigrants or visible minorities. If you want to know what I really do on a daily basis, and the level of organizing I participate in, then come out and check out a meeting or event. Otherwise you're wasting my time. Ive met 10 year old autistic children that are more coherant in their reasoning than you.
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Jun 25, 06
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 Billy Talent II Billy Talent New Album Out June 27, 2006 Hog-town heroes come out swinging with another thrilla, killa, no filla. Ben’s a phenomenal front-man with vision and guts. He’s gonna pour ‘em out all over the stage.
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Jun 25, 06
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I haddddd free tickets to foxfest but i gave them to my best friend since i decided going camping has priority over a concert :P as much as i woulda loved to see billy talent, thats just a 1 day thing id rather go camping the whole weekend ;)
Tulameen HERE I FUCKING COME!
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Jun 25, 06
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Looking forward to foxfest, even though i only like Billy Talent.
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Seriously thinking about heading back to Ottawa and spending Canada Day on the Hill.
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And it isnt hate im blinded by, its love, and purpose - no lie. ez
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Jun 26, 06
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Does Fable not realize that when he holds his morale crusade of grass roots movements over me it means jack shit? Wait i explained that already, but I guess Fable is just spewing crap when he has no idea whats going on. Is Fable being a hypocrite again? WOW, surprise surprise. OH wait, I never refered to YOU as a bitter rival you idiot, i was makign a general referance to LEVEL HEADED PEOPLE in general of which you are not. Get a brain and understand whats actually going on first.
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Jun 26, 06
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^^^
now THAT'S the way a canada day should be spent!
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Jun 26, 06
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^^^^
i stand corrected.
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Jun 26, 06
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Anyways, this back + forth is getting really tired. You arent actaully countering anything other than character assasination attempts. Attempts that have been carried out by people who hate me far more than you, and have been in social justice organizing as long as you have been alive. So its nothing new. Come out to an event, ill buy yeah a beer afterwards, and we can explain to eachother our politics in a real live context. If you're not up for it, all I can suggest is to study up some more, into the trials and lives of the communities Im usually talking about. its just too damn hot to argue anymore today adios. Last edited by fable; Jun 26, 06 at 12:43 PM.
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Jun 26, 06
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I presume i offered that break even point a couple of times to you, which you disrespectfully declined. And now you want to meet and talk? How many times have i offered to respect your commentary? How many times have i said lets call it even and leave each other to our own opinions no matter how differentiating they may be? I even offered you respect for your hardline beliefs even though i dislike your character. No matter what your beliefs, I respect those who firmly stand by themselves. Yet you refuse to accept even my acceptance of that. This is what im talking about, you contradict yourself time and time again. Now you are telling me that im supposed to accept YOUR offering of a chat and a beer?
The hypocricy you keep pulling is astounding me. I would have considered your offer before, but i have heard enough from you to know that honestly...........you only play if you can hit the ball aroudn in your own court. Its your way or the highway. If ever there was a term terrorist, a term by the way you hate so vehemently, i would say you define intellectual terrorism. You verbally attack and leave no ground for other thought. All who oppose you are against you. You refuse to call truces, you refuse to break even, you refuse to listen to the words of others. And in your lengthy proses which fall well into the category of extremism you verbally dismantle any and all who even think differently. What you expect is complacent lemmings akin to a herd of mindless sheep. I find it most odd however, that a man of your profession can keep doing what you do. The narcissism you display borders on a pychological disfunction at times, and it is a wonder to me how anyone can fall into acceptance of what you say because of this. To agree with you would be a simliar experience to pledging allegiance to a newfound God. In truth, the more you preach your ideals upon us, the more many dislike your character and your beliefs. Irony at its finest.
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Jun 26, 06
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I would perhaps understand melodrama in the context of violence, or oppression are horrible realities, but to be directed and based on how someone gets into dialogue on a chat board? Grow up man. Since you consistantly speak about hypocricies, I would like to know some specific examples of where and how? I am under the belief that it is more in the realm in semantics than anything, but if you think you have a legitimate example, please share, so I can actaully know what you are talking about. Please note, debate or dialogue of this nature is never easy. You would be suprissed at the level of intensity and raw emotion that comes out in the course of my organizing with comrades. We are dealing with heavy shit, so If you are refering to how I can ask someone if they would like to continue discussion over a beer amidst crazy conflict, I would ask, why not? My way or the highway is actaully pretty close. Except its not MY way. It is a collective movements way - and more often than none, it sees ME making concessions rather than vice versa. Other than speaklng about Islamic Fundementalism and Terrorism (mainly from the shallow perceptions of mainstream media) you havent talked about anything really, except to try to attempt to cut into my character. But im pretty sure Ive already told you, that very rarely, can a human being know another human beings character without personal interaction and some knowledge of their actions, rather historic, or current. It would seem that you arent used to having your beliefs challenged in sucn an agressive manner, and I still need to get used to understanding that people dont change overnight. But your knowledge of what the real score is for the oppressed communities I often discuss, and your level of participation in social justice endevours is next to none. SO hence my invitation. But right after the invitation I offered, I wrote, that if you're not down, then atleast read up on the realities I "preach" about. And understand, that Im not trying to make friends with you. Im trying to get you to think in ways you havent, about people and places that our environment doesnt make a point of communicating to the masses. Obviously the means in which I try to facillatate this, could use some work. I dont make excuses, but I havent really lived a life that has convinced me, that I can support the movement for change over tea and cookies. Do what you gotta do mate. You can call me hypocritical and everyother name you have written on your palm, but it doesnt change the fact that the regular working/poor peoples of Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, and In Canada (including immigrants, refugees, and Aboriginal peoples) are being attacked by the Canadian government and capitalist structure. And the posts you made a while back about Islamic Extremism and the Taliban and the instillation of Democracy/fight for womens/humanitarian rights are based on lies that have been employed since well before 1867. You want to counter something more? Pick something in the last paragraph. Because that is what most of my life is committed to exposing.
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Jun 26, 06
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Theres mannnnny hypocricies you spew forth.
The worst being how you refuse to accept the offerings of others to a reasonable extent, and then try to offer out your own. I could speak volumes of how you use verbal insults to solidify half your speaches when discussing with others, and then when its done to you you cry foul again. Perhaps proclaiming your grass roots functions yet when i mentioned a similar function from my family line you turned it into satire, irelevancy and a game. IT works both ways, and if you dont see your hypocricies youre a very lost man. Yet I think i managed for a split second to put an inkling of rational thought into your head because your last paragraph is probably the best thing youve written here thusfar. I would say something commendable about it, but the last time i tried something like that for you, you literally flipped me right off...and you wonder why i hardly give a shit about anything you say anymore. I dont think anyone else would either.
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-Cry foul? Whether that was literal or metaphorical, you're incorrect. The tears drained themselves a long long long time ago. -When I speak about grassroots I talk about what I and others are doing right now! Whereas your parents took part in extremely critical movements (albeit tragic and violent) what matters is YOU. My parents where involved in an amazing array of social justice movements growing up in racist canada in the mid seventies after immigrating. But all that means for me, is that I had an intimate knowledge of grassroots movements from someone that was close. What I chose to do with it, was still to be seen. As for you. You have a resource and a heritage. But what are YOU going to do, or continue to do? Quote:
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Dont make judgements until you hang with me. But until then, or if it never happens, lets work on what was mentioned in that paragraph you partially recognized. Thats if you want to continue this. ps: your initial comments a while back about Islamic Terrorism and such, where narrowminded and racist enough to get my back up. Whether my attitude towards you was fair or not, that was the reasoning. I dont do well with that style of "dialogue" Last edited by fable; Jun 26, 06 at 04:44 PM.
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camping is on the menu for me.=) i dont want to deal with cops and crazy crowds, i just want to be able to be drunk in peace;)
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Jun 28, 06
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dont have time to go through 8 pages..
are the fireworks on this year?
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