vancouver's safe injection site - insite - Page 2

decypher · #26 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

wow an intelligent thread of debate just tainted by trance-luvers innane comment.

Anyways, I just found out an old close friend of mine has turned to heroin and i'm pretty shocked about the whole thing. A few years back oxycontin was unleashed in my home town and it really hits me hard to think he has progressed to H. Knowing his history of relapsing and owing people money, i'd much rather have him at insight then on the street.

C_squared · #27 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

ms. myra & diva can continue being total cunts... I really don't care. Fact of the matter is...both sides of the political spectrum have no real solutions to this problem. Don't try to sound off like you have the real answer, because you don't. A junkie is a fucking junkie, no matter what your 2 cents are. Whatever our government(s) are doing, is simply not enough. Whether the junkie sanctuary is in place or not, we're still going to have a problem. We have too many problems and not enough solutions.

less diseases? go fuck yourself... there's still a problem. I'm huge pessimist about Van City looking like a shitstye and having NO snow in 2010... watch for the embarrassment.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,

there is NO solutions, just deterrents from the real problem....

I amn liberal about most things, but this topics isn't one of those things...

stephen_c · #28 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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there is NO solutions, just deterrents from the real problem....
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he could be right.

C_squared · #29 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

Shit, I'm a bit of a dick when I'm drunk... and pretty redundant... tho I think I really illustrated my point.

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Originally Posted by C_squared

ms. myra & diva can continue being total cunts... I really don't care. Fact of the matter is...both sides of the political spectrum have no real solutions to this problem. Don't try to sound off like you have the real answer, because you don't. A junkie is a fucking junkie, no matter what your 2 cents are. Whatever our government(s) are doing, is simply not enough. Whether the junkie sanctuary is in place or not, we're still going to have a problem. We have too many problems and not enough solutions.

less diseases? go fuck yourself... there's still a problem. I'm huge pessimist about Van City looking like a shitstye and having NO snow in 2010... watch for the embarrassment.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,
WE HAVE A PROBLEM,

there is NO solutions, just deterrents from the real problem....

I amn liberal about most things, but this topics isn't one of those things...

antisober · #30 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

A junkie is a fucking junkie, no matter what your 2 cents are. Whatever our government(s) are doing, is simply not enough. Whether the junkie sanctuary is in place or not, we're still going to have a problem. We have too many problems and not enough solutions.
less diseases? go fuck yourself... there's still a problem. I'm huge pessimist about Van City looking like a shitstye and having NO snow in 2010... watch for the embarrassment.
there is NO solutions, just deterrents from the real problem....
I amn liberal about most things, but this topics isn't one of those things...[/quote]

Perhaps if you did a little reading you might find your self relieved of a small amount of your obvious ignorance. The stats are proof enough that safe injection sites work. Maybe you dislike them because you can no longer find dirty rigs laying around when it comes time for you to get your fix of whatever it is that causes you to be such a callous ass(meth maybe). The problem with drugs is that there to fucking good. The problem with you is that you don't think at all. Your brain is dead weight and you slip and you fall.
Ignorance is bliss but only for idiots

C_squared · #31 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by antisober

Perhaps if you did a little reading you might find your self relieved of a small amount of your obvious ignorance. The stats are proof enough that safe injection sites work. Maybe you dislike them because you can no longer find dirty rigs laying around when it comes time for you to get your fix of whatever it is that causes you to be such a callous ass(meth maybe). The problem with drugs is that there to fucking good. The problem with you is that you don't think at all. Your brain is dead weight and you slip and you fall.
Ignorance is bliss but only for idiots

^ what a tool. coming from someone who calls themselves antisober and posts shitty remarks, your comment holds no validity.

and I totaly love smack, maybe you should join me and my crew for a smack/meth party... we down our selves w/ the horse and smoke some meth to liven up the party again. oh and bring your own needle. moron.

antisober · #32 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

your post is so cunning it has left me speechless. Ignorance is a powerful state the longer it lingers the harder it is to break. Enjoy your hatred.
FYI, no one calls it smack anymore, it's referred to as down

diva · #33 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

C squared obviously has the reading comprehension of a five year old. I never said anything about insite being a solution to the problem. The only think I said was that it saves money and keeps people out of the hospital. I dare you to argue against that point, you ignorant motherfucker.

C_squared · #34 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by diva

C squared obviously has the reading comprehension of a five year old. I never said anything about insite being a solution to the problem. The only think I said was that it saves money and keeps people out of the hospital. I dare you to argue against that point, you ignorant motherfucker.

haha I do agree I really can't read all that well when I'm hammered so my post really wasn't in direct response to yours or myra's. Tho I still hold my position.

sidekick · #35 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Get rid of it. It's a bit shameless to have something like this in our society, it almost hails people to be public w/ their addiction(s) and really not solving anything.

yeah, because keeping addiction as vancouver's big dirty secret was working so well in the past. i know! let's just arrest them all and then pay for them to sit in a jail for the rest of their lives! that's so much better use of tax dollar money!

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More awareness, and detox programs is where tax dollars should be going to.

and how is more awareness and drug detox programs going to help the hundreds of people already addicted and unable to detox? the rate of relapse after detox is incredible. it's not a solution. getting someone off the drugs doesn't mean they'll stay off if you haven't solved the problem of why they started drugs in the first place.

sidekick · #36 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by C_squared

there is NO solutions, just deterrents from the real problem....

there aren't any easy solutions, and like i said, safe injection sites AREN'T a full solution to the problem, there isn't just one magical way to do it. that's why vancouver has a four pillars approach that combines, policing and harm reduction (safe injection). you have to tackle the problem on all angles; no one is arguing against that...but you can't ignore the people already addicted and just focus on stopping new people from getting addicted. policing has proven to be ineffective in itself. just look at america's drug war...what has that gotten them? lots of people in jail for possession and rampant drug use that hasn't declined.

as for your comments about the health aspects. yeah, we all have to be careful of contracting HIV and Hep C...but not all of us live the high risk lifestylees of the people in the DTES. do you really want to pay for their long term drug cocktails when they contract HIV because they used an infected needle? the safe injection sites has proven to reduce the ammount of new HIV infections in the area. if anything that should be a major selling point for those that are worried about tax dollars going to fund 'junkies'. if you want to save tax dollars, then the biggest drain is the health care that we are paying for to treat these health problems brought on by dirty shared needles.

esoter1c · #37 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

I'm sorry but if I see a junkie on my front lawn I'm not gonna bring him in my house, give him a clean rig, let him shoot up, then nod out on my couch.

If I did care about the junkie on my front lawn, I would lock him in my basement, nail the door shut and make him cold sweat shake that shit out for 2 weex.

The only cure is cold turkey.

This give them clean needles and a safe place to shoot up bullshit is two steps away from helping paedos fuck kids in a safe friendly environment.

I mean we don't want those paedos endangering themselves and maybe spreading unwanted diseases to kids right ?

sidekick · #38 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

I'm sorry but if I see a junkie on my front lawn I'm not gonna bring him in my house, give him a clean rig, let him shoot up, then nod out on my couch.

If I did care about the junkie on my front lawn, I would lock him in my basement, nail the door shut and make him cold sweat shake that shit out for 2 weex.

The only cure is cold turkey.

if that's true, then why doesn't detox work? why do most peope relapse after only a few months and the rest after a few years? we already have many detox programs, lots that are free. they've been in place for years.

miss.myra · #39 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Shit, I'm a bit of a dick when I'm drunk... and pretty redundant... tho I think I really illustrated my point.

Total dick.

Name calling totally unnecessary.

Because we see reality in a different way and have a little more compassion for people than you seem to it doesn't make us cunts. Because Esi actually works in the medical profession and spent time working in an outreach program in the DTES and has seen it first hand and maybe knows what she is talking about and is qualified to call you a moron based on that, doesn't make her a cunt either.

That was way out of line Carlos.

zarlon · #40 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

I think comparing heroin users to pedophiles is quite the far stretch. I guess heroin use does hurt society... but you're comparing someone destroying their OWN life to destroying a childs innocence and permanently traumatizing them?

Far cry from the same thing.

esoter1c · #41 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by zarlon

I think comparing heroin users to pedophiles is quite the far stretch. I guess heroin use does hurt society... but you're comparing someone destroying their OWN life to destroying a childs innocence and permanently traumatizing them?

Far cry from the same thing.

No.

Wrong.

What I am saying is that this bleeding heart look at me save the world with my human ignorance, save the world for the price of a cup of coffe and look in the mirror and hug yourself shit is self serving egtistical narcissism at its worst.

Save the whales.

Save the junkies.

Save the Paedos.

Get it ?

sidekick · #42 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

What I am saying is that this bleeding heart look at me save the world with my human ignorance, save the world for the price of a cup of coffe and look in the mirror and hug yourself shit is self serving egtistical narcissism at its worst.

save the junkies is not a self-serving hug yourself in the mirror standpoint. if you want to be cold hearted about it: less junkies = less strain on medical system = more medical care and hospital beds for non-junkies

helping drug addiction problems saves society a lot of coin.

C_squared · #43 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

Total dick.

Name calling totally unnecessary.

Because we see reality in a different way and have a little more compassion for people than you seem to it doesn't make us cunts. Because Esi actually works in the medical profession and spent time working in an outreach program in the DTES and has seen it first hand and maybe knows what she is talking about and is qualified to call you a moron based on that, doesn't make her a cunt either.

That was way out of line Carlos.

my bad,,, totally unnecessary and I appologize. I wont do that gain.

esoter1c · #44 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by sidekick

save the junkies is not a self-serving hug yourself in the mirror standpoint. if you want to be cold hearted about it: less junkies = less strain on medical system = more medical care and hospital beds for non-junkies

helping drug addiction problems saves society a lot of coin.

So these safe injection sites aren't paid with tax dollars then ?

The people who work there are ignorant.

Thinking they're helping in any way.

It's the same as sponsoring a child for 35 cents a day.

You think you're helping, you feel good, in reality, you're the problem.

I have zero sympathy for junkies, zero.

I wouldn't call anyone if one was od'ing in front of me.

Natural selection.

Let nature take its course.

Quit trying to save baby cheetahs from the hyenas.

Just sit back and watch National Geographic.

Goat · #45 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

It'd be a shame to shut down the safe injection program. It's never been a cure and it never will be. Every time someone over doses and an ambulance is called thousands of dollars are spent to pay for wages, facilities, drugs, and staff.
The safe injection program shells out a little money here and there to pay for a trained nurse, some needles, and a roof to cut down on the cost of hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars every year it costs to run ambulance crews and the ER east side - It's preventative maintenance to provincial/federal budget, never mind the effect it's had on slowing down incurrable diseases.

For a program that saves you tax dollars, slows the spread of infectious disease, and helps tidy up the east side, I'm surprised at the cold attitude of so many people on this board, considering almost everyone here has either experimented, frequently uses, or frequently abuses one substance or another.
You do drugs and aren't addicted but scorn some guy for shooting up? Give your head a shake, you're nothing but a junkie in denial.

Goat · #46 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

So these safe injection sites aren't paid with tax dollars then ?

The people who work there are ignorant.

Thinking they're helping in any way.

It's the same as sponsoring a child for 35 cents a day.

You think you're helping, you feel good, in reality, you're the problem.

I have zero sympathy for junkies, zero.

I wouldn't call anyone if one was od'ing in front of me.

Natural selection.

Let nature take its course.

Quit trying to save baby cheetahs from the hyenas.

Just sit back and watch National Geographic.

So it'd be natural selection if you got jumped in the street and beat to death too right?
Don't worry, I understand how you feel. I won't call the ambulance for you.

tiedye · #47 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by Goat

So it'd be natural selection if you got jumped in the street and beat to death too right?
Don't worry, I understand how you feel. I won't call the ambulance for you.

respect!

esoter1c · #48 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by Goat

So it'd be natural selection if you got jumped in the street and beat to death too right?
Don't worry, I understand how you feel. I won't call the ambulance for you.

If I provoked the beaters and it's my starting the shit that gets me beat to death, yes.

If i am just minding my own shit and get beat to death, no.

Do you understand that no one runs up to these junkies and sticks a rig in their arm ?

Don't get the logic twisted to try and make me look bad.

Maybe read a book or two by darwin before you look like a tit....again.

esoter1c · #49 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by tiedye

respect!

:285:

Et tu Tiedye ?

sidekick · #50 (**permalink**) Jul 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

So these safe injection sites aren't paid with tax dollars then ?

it is, but it costs a fraction of the ammount that health care needed for long term care of HIV infections, Hep C and overdoses cost.