that pepsi commercial with whats his face

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by LLaaUUrrYYn

Cheer up buddy..tv commercials and advertising in general isnt as bad as you make it out.

One in four children's first word is a brand name.

[LLaaUUrrYYn]

Originally Posted by Mangle

One in four children's first word is a brand name.

Really? I dont believe that. But do enlighten me...what kind of brand names?

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Mangle

One in four children's first word is a brand name.

ha ha ha ha. ya right. where do you get this stuff

i think i've met maybe one person who told me their first word was even television related, let alone advertizement related.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

ha ha ha ha. ya right. where do you get this stuff

i think i've met maybe one person who told me their first word was even television related, let alone advertizement related.

And you hang out with a lot of children, do you? My first word was "pickle."

[-evil-duerr-]

did I say i hang out with alot of children?
NO i do not believe i did.

funny story; my first word was "No"

Instead of answering my question with a stupid irrelvent question, why dont you back up your claims with some evidence.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

did I say i hang out with alot of children?
NO i do not believe i did.

Instead of answering my question with a stupid irrelvent question, why dont you back up your claims with some evidence.

I did. You don't hang out with kids. Therefore, you don't know what their first words are now. You just know what people of our generation first said.

[-evil-duerr-]

i dont need to talk to children about this because tv and tv advertizing has been around since the 50s. Our parents were raised with television sets in their homes too, so i don't really see what point your trying to make.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

i dont need to talk to children about this because tv and tv advertizing has been around since the 50s. Our parents were raised with television sets in their homes too, so i don't really see what point your trying to make.

Yeah, nothing has changed in the marketing over the past 50 years. Good point. There's not like a billion times more everywhere now (back in the 50s, half hour shows used to be, what five minutes longer..now it's a third ads..but nothing has changed).

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Yes, I'm on loan from the Smithsonian.

Pull your head out of you ass.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Yeah, nothing has changed in the marketing over the past 50 years. Good point. There's not like a billion times more everywhere now (back in the 50s, half hour shows used to be, what five minutes longer..now it's a third ads..but nothing has changed).

true. there is more advertizing. big deal.

but for every person who actually buys into all the advertizing. there is another who is just as skeptical as yourself.
The tv isnt to blame for obnoxious oblivious attitudes. You can blame genes and parenting for that one.

what picks me is your cliche view on how the world is full of sheep .
When maybe if you actually talked to some of these people, you'd find out, that after workin a 9-5 job for 20 years, rasing children, actually living life - People are too fucking tired and wrapped up with LIVING LIFE, to really give a shit about all the teenager/20-something "THE WORLD IS GOING TO HELL" attitudes of people like yourself.

now unless your "wifeless uncle bob" when yer 40 years old. I highly doubt you'll still gonna be ranting about all this b.s. when there is so much more to be thinking about.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Ummm... my kids first word was DAD.... I don't know where these facts are coming from....

[-evil-duerr-]

^he never did answer my question

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

true. there is more advertizing. big deal.

but for every person who actually buys into all the advertizing. there is another who is just as skeptical as yourself.

So children are to blame for buying into advertising. I know I bought into it. I used to love McDonalds. If I knew then what I know now, things might's been different.

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Ummm... my kids first word was DAD.... I don't know where these facts are coming from....

Quoted directly from Adbusters. By the way, it was only one fact, not facts. Don't exaggerate.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by Mangle

By the way, it was only one fact, not facts. Don't exaggerate.

Smart ass muthafuckah!

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Smart ass muthafuckah!

I still think you've got the best avitar/signature. He keeps taking another flaming shot!

[Cdn_Brdr]

What's funnier is how his friend pours more liquor on him trying to put it out!

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

What's funnier is how his friend pours more liquor on him trying to put it out!

HAHAHAHA!!! Fuck, I've watched that a hundred times and didn't catch that. I guess I'll have to watch it a hundred more.

[sidekick]

mangle, the ammount of deluded bullshit that you believe is unreal.

just because it was in adbusters doesn't mean it's true. oh my god, what an academic source! i think adbusters is a cool 'zine...but i wouldn't trust them for statistics like that...i mean, they're obviously slightly biased, wouldn't you say?

advertising is shitty, i agree. i'm happy that vancouver is pretty ad free (as far as large cities go). i mean, holy shit, times square in new york is unbelieveable. you can't turn anywhere without seeing an ad and sometimes they take up the sides of whole buildings...it's almost beautiful in its disgustingness.

but i don't think that advertising is as big a problem as everyone makes it out to be. i mean, sure i see a lot of ads everywhere...but most of the people i know are pretty capable of thinking for themselves and aren't going to buy something just because an ad said it was 'cool'. if anything, people are more aware that ads are bullshit nowadays.

i just think the apocalyptic attitude that you have towards our culture seems a bit overdone.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Mangle

So children are to blame for buying into advertising. I know I bought into it. I used to love McDonalds. If I knew then what I know now, things might's been different.
.

Not everyone buys into television or the ad campaigns. Just because they are out there doesnt mean they work on everyone. \

In high school, there was a Career and Personal planning course with a week of studies dedicated to understanding marketing and the craftiness of it all. They actually teach this shit in schools now, as if it wasnt obvious enough.

Maybe alot of people just take what they see on tv to heart.
But most educated people who were raised by a parent know better.

They can watch a Pepsi commercial and giggle at the silliness of it all, but that doesnt mean they are going to buy Pepsi.

You gotta give yer common man a little more credit mangle.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

You gotta give yer common man a little more credit mangle.

I was talking about children. Why do you keep bringing adults into it?

Originally Posted by sidekick

mangle, the ammount of deluded bullshit that you believe is unreal.

just because it was in adbusters doesn't mean it's true. oh my god, what an academic source! i think adbusters is a cool 'zine...but i wouldn't trust them for statistics like that...i mean, they're obviously slightly biased, wouldn't you say?

advertising is shitty, i agree. i'm happy that vancouver is pretty ad free (as far as large cities go). i mean, holy shit, times square in new york is unbelieveable. you can't turn anywhere without seeing an ad and sometimes they take up the sides of whole buildings...it's almost beautiful in its disgustingness.

but i don't think that advertising is as big a problem as everyone makes it out to be. i mean, sure i see a lot of ads everywhere...but most of the people i know are pretty capable of thinking for themselves and aren't going to buy something just because an ad said it was 'cool'. if anything, people are more aware that ads are bullshit nowadays.

i just think the apocalyptic attitude that you have towards our culture seems a bit overdone.

Then ignore me. I could care less what you think of me.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Then ignore me. I could care less what you think of me.

it's so much easier living inside a bubble of our own opinions, isn't it? then you get to be right all the time every time!

we're really on the same side anyway, you're just far more radical in your thinking. blindly radical, i would say, but that's just my opinion.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by sidekick

it's so much easier living inside a bubble of our own opinions, isn't it? then you get to be right all the time every time!
we're really on the same side anyway, you're just far more radical in your thinking. blindly radical, i would say, but that's just my opinion.

Nope, I'm just far more radical on forums. This is where I develope and practice ideas. Do you believe everything you read?

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Do you believe everything you read?

do you? Mr.I-quote-from-adbusters-for-truth?

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Mangle

I was talking about children. Why do you keep bringing adults into it?.

Personally, i don't think i'll let my children watch cable until they reach a certain age . Id let them watch movies, and if they wanted to see a certain tv show, i could download it off the web.

the reason i bring adults into this is
its ultimately up to the adult to monitor what the child watches, what they wear, eat drink.

The child doesnt have money to go buy all these things they see on tv, the adult is the one who buys this stuff.

now unless were talking about orphans living on the streets (who somehow manage to watch tv), why wouldn't adults be part of the equation?

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

why wouldn't adults be part of the equation?

Because I said "one in four children's first word is a brand name." Then you keep talking about how adults aren't affected by advertising. That has nothing to do with the point we were just discussing.