Fnk Admins

[diva]

As a signatory to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, Canada has a binding obligation to prevent hate propaganda. Article 4 of the Convention obliges Canada to prevent the dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement to discrimination, as well as all acts of violence against any "race" or group of persons of another colour or ethnic origin, and to prevent racist activities, including financing, and prohibit organizations, and all other propaganda activities, which promote and incite racial discrimination, and shall recognize participation in such organizations or activities an offence punishable by law. In fact, Article 4 of the Convention states that signatories:

* (a) Shall declare an offense punishable by law all dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement to racial discrimination, as well as acts of violence or incitement to such attacks against any race or group of persons of another colour or ethnic origin, and also the provision of any assistance to racist activities, including the financing thereof;
* (b) Shall declare illegal and prohibit organizations, and also organized and all other propaganda activities, which promote and incite racial discrimination, and shall recognize participation in such organizations or activities as an offense punishable by law;
* c) Shall not permit public authorities or public institutions, national or local, to promote or incite racial discrimination.

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/multi/wca...on-net_e.shtml

[kiMMie]

Um... thank you? :047:

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

I'm aware that you have been offended by his comment in that thread, and I will monitor this kind of content from now on, but compared to some of the stories that I have glanced at on that site: www.stormfront.org... all I have to say is WOW!

That is one depressing site. So many sad stories...

"If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst"

- Thomas Hardy, 1887


Indeed so, but without careful scrutiny, the problems listed in sites such as stormfront will repeat over the course of history. There are alot of good people on that site aswell, and it starts by confronting the issues, not being discouraged because it seems depressing.


The truth will set you free, but at first, it will make you feel like shit. Hey! That's going in my sig!

[diva]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

"If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst"

- Thomas Hardy, 1887


Indeed so, but without careful scrutiny, the problems listed in sites such as stormfront will repeat over the course of history. There are alot of good people on that site aswell, and it starts by confronting the issues, not being discouraged because it seems depressing.


The truth will set you free, but at first, it will make you feel like shit. Hey! That's going in my sig!

http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html
OMG, JEWS CONTROL THE MEDIA
that's an important issue that needs to be confronted. how could i have missed that one?

[kiMMie]

I see that you're very passionate about this topic diva.

I know in my case, and in the industry that I work in the color of one's skin, or difference in culture is irrelevant. I care for each person equally and without favortism, even if they are yelling racial slurs in my face, or spitting at my feet.

I think if more and more people try to embrace this type of attitude, perhaps one day... one day... we can dream about eliminating this awful hate. I try each day to teach this type of "thinking" to accept people for who they are, and learn a bit more about each other's cultures.

[MC Hammered]

OK people... go take a chill pill and relax, go for a walk and then lets revisit this issue when were aren't all so upset.

Wum is on my list of people to make note of but lets be realistic... admins are not on the site 24/7 and we don't look at every single post that is posted. If a user flags a thread/post for us to check out then we can go address that issue ASAP.

I take these issue you point out quite seriously and something will be done if required but you people must give myself or the other admins time to see if the content is questionable/offensive or not.

Deal?

[diva]

Yeah, i am.
I hate all forms of hatred.
When I was little I was always the only black kid in my class. Actually pretty much my whole life I have been.

My little brother almost got arrested for robbing a 7-11 two years ago.
He was 15 at the time. The police didn't even apologize to him when they realized that he was in class when the surveillance tape they had was taken.

I could go on and on.

I hate hatred.

[diva]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

OK people... go take a chill pill and relax, go for a walk and then lets revisit this issue when were aren't all so upset.

Wum is on my list of people to make note of but lets be realistic... admins are not on the site 24/7 and we don't look at every single post that is posted. If a user flags a thread/post for us to check out then we can go address that issue ASAP.

I take these issue you point out quite seriously and something will be done if required but you people must give myself or the other admins time to see if the content is questionable/offensive or not.

Deal?

Deal.
Thanks a lot for your understanding.
=)

[kiMMie]

^^^ Didn't I say that before??? :047:

Glad that everything is cool now diva. We'll keep on top of it, k?

[stephen_c]

actually, wum was booted off fnk once b4.
his old usename is thumper

[-ff-]

I've got to say I'm with Diva on this one for sure.
I'm sick of hearing Wum drone on about the invading mongrel hordes and the need for racial purity in Canada. Its pure hate.

You want proof? Here's a few quick links (a quick search on your part wouldnt be hard, since he posts about one racist or homophobic thing a day and is a super active poster - I don't know how you guys could be feigning ignorance here. Its prety obvious to most people):

http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...4&postcount=59
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=154
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...2&postcount=62
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...5&postcount=65
(both posts from this thread - http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=70812)

And then, of course, lets not forget that Wum is actually only the reincarnation of our good old already banned friend Thumper:
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...35&postcount=6
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=146
Quickly reading over any one of thumpers posts should be enough to covince anyone, but in case you're not sure ... what an amazing coincidence ... Wum's dog's name is (you guessed it!) Thumper!
http://www.fnk.ca/board/member.php?u=3945

Ban the little fucker again or gag him, I dont care which. But racism is not appropriate here.

[kiMMie]

Thank you for your input -ff-. We appreciate it.

And we were never "feigning ignorance", and yes, we are aware that he was a previously banned member.

Thank you

PS... to reiterate MC Hammered's post earlier, reporting a post that is offensive would be helpful.

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

This is the first notification that I (as an admin) have received in regards to this member.

For the record, its not the first notification you admin folk have recieved, either.
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=154

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

You are intitled to your opinion, as is Wum.

Can you actually quote any remark of his as being point-to-fact racist?

~cut~

he has made plenty of such remarks.

eg. in
this post he refers to persons of mixed race as "chocolate colored bastards".

there's just too many to quote and even more as username thumper.

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by -ff-

Okay cheif.

You da boss.

Sorry... I try to keep up with you guys, but sometimes, you kooky members post so fast!! :nads:

Who came up with "typing classes" anyways?

[axion]

I say get him out of here. This is a rave/electronic music forum after all, so far I haven't seen any post anything to do with raves/electronic music. While I fully disagree with what he has to say, he is still entitled to his opinion on politics/religion/ race issues ect. The thing is, it's pretty apparent that he has nothing to contirbute when it comes to the electronic music scene, so pretty much he is on here doing nothing but debating political issues. And so far, this is only doing one thing... upsetting people. Maybe he should consider posting his views on a more appropriate forum, where it is serving to do more than just offend people.

Just something to consider.

[Silverwinged]

All the above having been stated, I still think Wum is a troll.

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by diva

^ but you can go above fnk admin to get content like this off the site.
it's the truth, not an idle threat.

Actually I keep close tabs under the Wum account and I do respond quickly to "Reported posts", much quicker then "Shoutouts" to fellow admins. Specially ones of your, uhhh caliber.

Understand his debates are not as much direct racism as they are fuel for it. I have warned him repeated in the past, and as such, something will be done.

However, none of his threads really push the barrier to the point you would get anything but a laughing response from our service provider. Grab a thought and click the report. This thread doesn't deserve two pages.

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by -ff-

For the record, its not the first notification you admin folk have recieved, either.
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=154

Taken from MC Hammered's post earlier:

admins are not on the site 24/7 and we don't look at every single post that is posted. If a user flags a thread/post for us to check out then we can go address that issue ASAP.

But again, there are now 3 admins that have posted on this thread that have verbally recognized this member's actions.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by diva

http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html
OMG, JEWS CONTROL THE MEDIA
that's an important issue that needs to be confronted. how could i have missed that one?

I think you are out to lunch on this one, where you write it off as "Jews" this article is dealing with Zionism, which is racist Jewry by definition. The article is at fault by using the hot button of a word "Jew" instead of "Zionist"...I'll give you that for certain.

Yet if you can get beyond the rhetoric, it's an important issue if one can understand it's complexity, unfortunately you are too emotional about this issue to lead to a sound conclusion at this time. You can't tell me that it's purely coincidental that there are so many film producers from Hollywood that happen to be Jewish, a majority of newspapers around the continent that happen to be owned by interests of Zionist institutions.

Let's go with this though, look into the ADL.

Realize what the truth is about being semetic, because the Arabs persecuted in Iraq right now our DEFINETLY semetic.

However, they are not Jewish. The Jews and Arabs have been fighting against each other for 1000s of years, and they are both semetic tribes. You never get to hear about anti-semetism against Arabs however, it only applies to the convert Russian bloodlines.

So go do some research and realize it is alot more of a complicated struggle than "the Jews". It is infact detailed to some extent in that report if you can mind the rhetoric. The issue I think Wum is concerned about here is that you are ignoring how in Canada we are being conditioned to accept a multicutural society, and what the downsides are to a "melting pot" scenario.

I could give you many leads on this, but you need to learn how to calm yourself down first. Best wishes.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

~cut~
Yet if you can get beyond the rhetoric, it's an important issue if one can understand it's complexity, unfortunately you are too emotional about this issue to lead to a sound conclusion at this time. You can't tell me that it's purely coincidental that there are so many film producers from Hollywood that happen to be Jewish, a majority of newspapers around the continent that happen to be owned by interests of Zionist institutions.
~cut~

the point is even if this is truly your believe, does it belong on fnk?
there are other forums like stormfront.org for this kind of stuff.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

the point is even if this is truly your believe, does it belong on fnk?
there are other forums like stormfront.org for this kind of stuff.

It belongs where ever one wants to debate it, that applies to fnk. Since there are guidlines here, Wum should accordingly see to it that he isn't enfringing them as there are enough sensitive individuals on this site that will take offence to such behavior.

Though what I got from you was:

You are entitled to your own opinion aslong as it agrees with the majority.


Henceforth:

YOU'RE A FACIST!!!!!!!!!!

***

I don't think facism should be allowed in this forum, maybe we can ban you aswell?

;)

[axion]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

the point is even if this is truly your believe, does it belong on fnk?
there are other forums like stormfront.org for this kind of stuff.

exactly my point. there is a time and place for intense political discussion and i personally dont think a rave forum is an appropriate place.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

It belongs where ever one wants to debate it, that applies to fnk. Since there are guidlines here, Wum should accordingly see to it that he isn't enfringing them as there are enough sensitive individuals on this site that will take offence to such behavior.

Though what I got from you was:

You are entitled to your own opinion aslong as it agrees with the majority.


Henceforth:

YOU'RE A FACIST!!!!!!!!!!

***

I don't think facism should be allowed in this forum, maybe we can ban you aswell?

;)

u wrote:

"Though what I got from you was:

You are entitled to your own opinion aslong as it agrees with the majority."

well, u didn't get that from me.
nowhere did i give my opinion on your suspicion towards jewish ppl.

my point is if u let this kind of thing happen on fnk,
there'll be no end.
this will just turn into stormfront.org

[impure]

Originally Posted by diva

http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html
OMG, JEWS CONTROL THE MEDIA
that's an important issue that needs to be confronted. how could i have missed that one?

so, did you know that you have an ignore list?
you're so close to going on mine.
you're just bitter because you're nasty comments don't shut him up.
if he upset you so much then why do you feel compelled to reply to all of his posts?
if they were as offensive as you make them out to be then you would put him on ignore because it upset you so much when you read his posts.

you just dont want to lose an argument.