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diva · #1 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

This post is about one of our members breaking the terms of use of this site.

I'm surprised that more people haven't said anything about this idiot.

Wum keeps posting borderline racist/biggotted stuff on here and nothing is being done about it.

This isn't stromfront.org.

His posts are upsetting to me, and they should be a cause for alarm to other people as well.

Freedom of speech is all good, but not when it attempts to marginalize and target forum members.

So tell this kid to shut it, or i'll figure out a way to go above your heads and get it done.

Gusto · #2 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

So tell this kid to shut it, or i'll figure out a way to go above your heads and get it done.

you might get a better response without this last line. if someone dropped that line on me, i'd laugh. people usually don't like to be threatened.

diva · #3 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^ but you can go above fnk admin to get content like this off the site.
it's the truth, not an idle threat.

Gusto · #4 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

i didn't say it was idle. but i'd save the threats for after negotiation fails.

diva · #5 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

gusto you have a good point
i guess i posted it because i don't have very much faith that fnk admin will do anything to limit the stuff wum gets to post on this site

and i let passion rule reason in this case

especially after the immigration thread because i immigrated from a "3rd world" country take great offense at his views on immigrants as a whole.

**kiMMie** · #6 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

^ but you can go above fnk admin to get content like this off the site.
it's the truth, not an idle threat.

I have read your post and it will be recognized. Thank you for your input. We will monitor your concern.

For future reference: Threats are just as offensive as racist remarks and is not taken lightly

Gusto · #7 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

fair enough. i don't read half of those posts anyway, and less than half of them are offensive to me directly (i immigrated from western europe, and he's all about that).

diva · #8 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

^ it wasn't a threat, kimmie.
i stated that if nothing was going to be done about wum's posts, then i was going to find out a way to bring this issue to the attention of someone could do something about it.

fnk is a private site, but it has to follow certain rules about it's content. it's just like the way no one's allowed to post any pornographic pictures. if no one checked that, there would still be a way to get pornographic content off of this site, no?

**kiMMie** · #9 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

i guess i posted it because i don't have very much faith that fnk admin will do anything to limit the stuff wum gets to post on this site

You do realize that there are over 6000+ members that are registered on this site, and that we, the admins, try our best to moderate content. However, this is a site for the community to speak their own words. Perhaps you can "report" the posts out to us individually and we can investigate it further. There is an option on each post to do so.

This is the first notification that I (as an admin) have received in regards to this member.

**kiMMie** · #10 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

i stated that if nothing was going to be done about wum's posts, then i was going to find out a way to bring this issue to the attention of someone could do something about it.

Care to elaborate who you had in mind?

I believe racism and all its followings have been fought now for years. I don't support racism... AT ALL! Again, I will try my best.

djmarkpaul · #11 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

^ but you can go above fnk admin to get content like this off the site.
it's the truth, not an idle threat.

You are intitled to your opinion, as is Wum.

Can you actually quote any remark of his as being point-to-fact racist?

I think you have him mixed up, mainly because he is simply digging into issues that are just plain too controversial for most people to research and comment on. I have respect for him for making comments on these matters, because in doing so he is going against the grain, and thus so getting alot of flak for doing so (consider your thread for instance).

Now I know you have a legitimate concern with the issue of racism, but that is precisely why I feel he has the need to make his comments.

Let me break it down, there is a HUGE difference between

RACISM
&
RACIAL PURITY.

Racism is when you go out and proclaim yourself superior by insighting hate from other racial groups, and commit hate crimes. You don't give individuals the benefit of the doubt based on their character, you judge them according to a preconcieved prejudice on their race.

Racial purity is when you are interested in your family and cultural history, and make an effort to preserve your cultural heritage. You don't believe in race mixing as it leads to a melting pot scienario and destroys the diversity that makes humanity so unique. This behavior actually strengthens cutural bonds, authenticates each races music and cusine, and it doesn't mean you can't have friends from different backgrounds.

As I find the former behavior dispicable, I find the latter to be honourable. Perhaps you could try and view Wum's concerns from this perspective, and realize that he is indeed trying to do the right thing. It is challanging to go against the norm, and if you haven't noticed, multiculturalism is destroying the authenticity of world cultures and replacing it with the consumer culture.

I hope this clears things up for you, regards.

diva · #12 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

You are intitled to your opinion, as is Wum.

Can you actually quote any remark of his as being point-to-fact racist?

Stating that "whites > *" doesn't have anything to do with racial purity, but thanks for coming out.

edit:
and while we're on the topic of racial purity (which i believe to be an oxymoron), it's all fine and dandy if you want to keep from mixing with other races, but to impose those same beliefs on members of your own race to the point where you refuse to associate with someone who has procreated to someone from outside that race...it's wrong.

i believe that every person in the world has a right to their own beliefs, but i do not believe those same beliefs should be imposed onto others.

djmarkpaul · #13 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

and i let passion rule reason in this case

I fear this is the real issue in this thread, try and relax, and take a look at the other side of the coin.

PS

I love sushi

**kiMMie** · #14 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

Stating that "whites > *" doesn't have anything to do with racial purity, but thanks for coming out.

Are you implying that you are offended because he categorizes caucasians as "whites"? :047:

diva · #15 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I fear this is the real issue in this thread, try and relax, and take a look at the other side of the coin.

PS

I love sushi

You asked me to give a direct quote and I did.
I spend lots of time reading stormfront.org. Not recently, though, but still...i know about the other side of the coin.
It's a pretty dark and lonely place, if you ask me.

ps. I love it too!

Gusto · #16 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

Are you implying that you are offended because he categorizes caucasians as "whites"? :047:

whites > *

translates to:

whites are greater than all

djmarkpaul · #17 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

Stating that "whites > *" doesn't have anything to do with racial purity, but thanks for coming out.

Post the quote, please don't paraphrase here. If that is a quote then I could see where you are going with this, and that would be understandable to why you are upset.

However, you are taking one example out of many, I still feel although he may make errors, that he is in this message board coming from the background of a racial purist, not a racist.

Care to give me your views on racial purity by chance? Try not to work yourself up over it if you care to comment. Thanks in advance.

**kiMMie** · #18 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

Again... Racism/Racial Purity, etc etc. has been fought for centuries. So many different views, opinions, beliefs, definitions.

djmarkpaul · #19 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

You asked me to give a direct quote and I did.
I spend lots of time reading stormfront.org. Not recently, though, but still...i know about the other side of the coin.
It's a pretty dark and lonely place, if you ask me.

I agree there is way too much anger in those forums, but in it's purest form (pun intended), I think it is an issue that people should face, for the sake of every culture on this planet.

diva · #20 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

Are you implying that you are offended because he categorizes caucasians as "whites"? :047:

Nooo...One page three of the immigration thread robyn gave him an example of a non-white german family who had immigrated here and were doing quite well for themselves in West Vancouver.

Wum responded with "whites>*"

Now maybe i'm being too sensitive and I should just shut up and let him have his opinion.

diva · #21 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Post the quote, please don't paraphrase here. If that is a quote then I could see where you are going with this, and that would be understandable to why you are upset.

However, you are taking one example out of many, I still feel although he may make errors, that he is in this message board coming from the background of a racial purist, not a racist.

Care to give me your views on racial purity by chance? Try not to work yourself up over it if you care to comment. Thanks in advance.

I don't want him to stop posting he beliefs on this board. It's fine by me if he's a racial purist. Nothing wrong with that. It's debates like these that bring awareness about the issues facing the world today. Statements like the one I posted (it wasn't paraphrased, btw) don't further that debate at all, it puts other people down.

djmarkpaul · #22 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

Again... Racism/Racial Purity, etc etc. has been fought for centuries. So many different views, opinions, beliefs, definitions.

I must disagree.

I feel I have posted 2 very distinct definitions of each behavior, these are the 2 main archtypes in regards to the struggle of the races to live in peace, while preserving their heritage.

The different views come from the sub behaviors, but are rooted in the 2 as I stated earlier. For example:

You have the insecure racist, or the hateful racist, or the prideful racist, and then you have the peaceful racial purist, the angry racial purist (by Diva's viewpoint I would asses Wum in this category), the uninformed racial purist...and so on and so forth.

They still are derivities of the 2 main archetypes however. Hope that may shed some light on the issue :).

**kiMMie** · #23 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

I'm aware that you have been offended by his comment in that thread, and I will monitor this kind of content from now on, but compared to some of the stories that I have glanced at on that site: www.stormfront.org... all I have to say is WOW!

That is one depressing site. So many sad stories...

djmarkpaul · #24 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by diva

I don't want him to stop posting he beliefs on this board. It's fine by me if he's a racial purist. Nothing wrong with that. It's debates like these that bring awareness about the issues facing the world today. Statements like the one I posted (it wasn't paraphrased, btw) don't further that debate at all, it puts other people down.

Then I must say I agree with you. Wum, when you go against the grain, you gotta be extra careful so as not to cut yourself. Think about it. I feel that Wum has the best intentions in mind, and after reading this, he will hopefully make a more substantial effort as to not step on any more toes. Take care.

**kiMMie** · #25 (**permalink**) Mar 31, 05

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Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

I must disagree.

I feel I have posted 2 very distinct definitions of each behavior, these are the 2 main archtypes in regards to the struggle of the races to live in peace, while preserving their heritage.

The different views come from the sub behaviors, but are rooted in the 2 as I stated earlier. For example:

You have the insecure racist, or the hateful racist, or the prideful racist, and then you have the peaceful racial purist, the angry racial purist (by Diva's viewpoint I would asses Wum in this category), the uninformed racial purist...and so on and so forth.

They still are derivities of the 2 main archetypes however. Hope that may shed some light on the issue :).

Perhaps my original post was a bit generic. I'm just implying that those two archtypes have had its share of "re-definition" over centuries (i.e. hateful, prideful, insecure).

My apologies.