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View Poll Results: What needs to be done to boost the Vancouver scene in 2006?
Nothing continue the same 2 1.18%
More new smaller covert venues 43 25.44%
More new larger legal venues 69 40.83%
Bigger headline acts at covert events 15 8.88%
Bigger headline acts at legal events 11 6.51%
More midscale promoters 2 1.18%
Less midscale promoters 2 1.18%
Age restrictions on legal events 25 14.79%
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Old Dec 19, 05
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and drum and bass.
definantly more drum and bass.

Agreed.

Also, people just need to come out and be ready to party. I find most people come out to a show and sit around waiting for something to get them going, or wait for the drugs to kick in.

Just fucking PARTY!!!!

More 19+ venues with alcohol seem to do a good job of getting people in a party mood....works on me anyways.
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Old Dec 19, 05
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i agree with the majority of the people, smaller venues and an age limit.
maybe even some more parties at riverside, its hard to get to but its an awsome venue!
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Old Dec 19, 05
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drug dealers need to tell their chemists to make stronger caps.
lol:) or maybe everyone needs to stop doing it so much that they become imune to it... just a thought...
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Old Dec 19, 05
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I don't know about you guys, but i've been to plenty of smaller parties in wicked venues in the last couple of years.

Very little in Vancity though will compare to Gong Show April before last, though... fuck what an insane party. nothing quite like 500-700 people crammed into a warehouse going all night. fuck yeah.
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Old Dec 20, 05
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Vancouver scene sucks, nothing can make it better. Its just not meant for raves, leave it to us professionals we europeans know how to throw wicked parties. I suggest the city needs to allow raves to be held at GM Place. The city needs more big time promoters like "My Sweet Music" from the UK, huge production companies that will bring in the big guns such as Tiesto, PVD, Armin, Baby Anne, me ;)
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Old Dec 20, 05
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too bad all the promoters in van dont have 20+k for tiesto
the price of a maritime party costs more than tiesto...
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Old Dec 20, 05
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too bad all the promoters in van dont have 20+k for tiesto
the price of a maritime party costs more than tiesto...
Are you suggesting that Tiesto is the answer?

HAHA.
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Old Dec 20, 05
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I definatley think we need to have more venues in this city, it doesnt matter if they are big or small we just need more places to throw a party.
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Old Dec 20, 05
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Complimentary handjob with attendance.
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Old Dec 20, 05
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^^^^^^^^^rite!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Dec 21, 05
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whats the problum? i'll tell ya

straight up there needs to b an age limit im sick of little twelveteen jailbait bitches hitting on me at raves its just wrong 16+. the only problum with massives on the mainland is they get so over pack that u might meet someone an youll never see them again cus theres 2 many peps. i think every rave should have a chill room where u can talk to someone an they can accually hear what the fuck there sayin (or get a BJ) know what i meen it dosent have to b VIP cus the room without music prob wont b popular. the rave sceen is just getting big on van island but our massives arent even that big like max 500 and we dont push a party on ravers every weekend. the vibe over there is so wikid cus every one is new at this shit an not all tierd an burnt out from raving for 5+ years. If u want a good time and a wikid vibe come to nanimo for NYE our partys are like mainland raves from Y2K cus we learnd it from u but we like it newschool

PS. cyber city is the best venue ever
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Old Dec 21, 05
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Ben you just don't go to the right raves Kick It Again had an awsome vibe it was super fun. I am pretty sure I can safely make a statment that legal raves in Vancouver are pretty much done for - Apex and Kiss it seems. Thank god though I have had enough of the cookie cutter parties that promoters have been spewing out as of late.
No it didn't. The vibe at Kick was the same vibe at every other party I've been to the last year and a half. Raves are dead. They got trendy a few years ago (hence all the sluts and juice pigs that go)-And that's what made it lame. It's never gonna be like it was 6 years ago. This 'vibe' that everyone wants back isn't going to happen again.
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Old Dec 22, 05
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a new 4000+ person venue... and a new vibe...
there is no vibe at parties anymore... mainly cuase no one is happy enough to give off one... its either 18+ girls complaining about girls 15 and under.... 15 and under girls complaining about the harrasment by the other girls, the guys wanting to get rid of their drugs, people concerned about getting "high" again, "tripping out", no dedicated light show people that are there for the people... fuck i dont even see candy kids anymore... believe it or not i miss those kids, they made the raves....authentic (even if you hated them... they were always there to be made fun of) and the list goes on. Any one care to add to what makes a "vibeless" party?

There definately a few points in there which I've been talkin about for months.
Vibeless party=Not enough $$ spend in the right areas, as you said, venue is first and foremost, second of all the talent; which is going to be the secondary factor on what kind of crowd you're attracting, so there always needs to be a balance of genre all around, to please everybody. Thirdly, financially validating the product (being the ticket price, water, redbull. whatever),

A promotor can still make money on a great party by charging $40.00 a ticket (even if its still $40 at the door)...therefore having a flat rate as far as ticket sales go would also really help attendance. A lot of people aren't willing to pay $60-70 for just a ticket...(unless if its like Motley Crue with Iron Maiden). By the time ticket sales go up, someone who was totally prepared to pay X amount of dollars for a ticket, now has to pay X x Y for a ticket, is now totally turned off, the promotor just lost a sale. Often if it becomes common, that basically becomes the price of the sound system or a large part of the decor bill gone just in a part of ticket sales which could have been easily avoided. Adjusting ticket prices in 2006 I would think would contribute to not only a better party attendance, but a better vibe too....

(on another note) if you're looking for a 16+ event, how bout a club night? does 19+ really make THAT much of a difference?
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Old Dec 22, 05
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^ nicely said tristan...i totally agree, adjusting ticket prices to a flat rate would increase ticket sales for sure.
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Old Dec 22, 05
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^ nicely said tristan...i totally agree, adjusting ticket prices to a flat rate would increase ticket sales for sure.
Or at least not have such a huge difference in prices. The door prices these days are getting riciculous. $65 absolute tops people. :)
There's no way in hell I'd pay $100 at the door let alone more than that! Doesn't matter who the DJs are or anything it's just not worth it- I could buy myself lunch for the next week for that much or get myself a pair of nice new kicks!
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Old Dec 23, 05
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Hmmm, ill drop a few cents, and show some support from the geriatric sector(25+)

I think realisitcally, when we discuss the pros and cons of anything and everything related to building a strong "scene" We need to talk about things in the context of a community, and focus on the relationship between members of said community. This of course is probably obvious but its always beneficial to reiterate the avenues of which need to see change of improvement or support.

Personally i think the relevent sectors of the "scene" in question would be a) fans b) artists c) promoters d) venue or club owners and e) retail (which can entail rec shops, clothing stores, and businesses that support or provide a service that is a component of an overall entertainment product.

It is important to note that heads being dissatisfied with particular components in a 'scene" and their perfomance is not a new thing. The "if i had a quarter everytime i read a state of the scene address or something related" is cliche in itself! What does this mean? That the notion that something is terribly wrong and unique is artificial. There has been an ebb and flow of any scene in Vancouver since the intial bloody colonization of indegenous lands and systemic expropriation of land (sorry, had to throw that bit in.)

SO.....what is the deal? What are the legitimate beefs? What are the current situations? What are facets of "popular opinion" indicating?

1) More Drum and Bass!?
-is this legitimate? Is the supply outweighing the demands? Is there enough of a frings sector that keeps the whole package in a state of innovation, and longevity? Currently with specific and related evens thrown by the time honourse auto camp, the down and dirty fixed militia, combined with some new cats entering the foray in the last year through one off's and fledgling club nites (inlcuding men AND WOMEN! :) ) shows that perhaps the ability to put on quality shows is still here, and ready at a moments notice.

So what else do we need to look at? Perhaps the venues and such. Im going to speak on a purely club/bar angle, as im far too old, and jaded to hit up a massive. Lotus still holding strong, and fixed as well, although some extra security would be great at the met. Atlantis(wett barr...mars...) has been up to the challenge of hosting a number of dnb events, BUT what was the turnout? Did shows there pay off in the long run? Theres also good ol dicks on dicks, which has the capaxity, the appeal and the proven trackrecord, but when we have a global dnb event hosting the likes of grooverider(who admittedly i dont really appreciate) and other cats, and the promoter walks out with barly his shirt on, we have to ask ourselves what parts to the fans or " headz" or just plain old "us" play?

Who is it that we want to see? What are we willing to pay? How often are we going to watch. What do we want--great sound, big/small? packed/roomy etc etc

I grew up with the likes of happy house, automatic, hep, agroculture, etc etc and such throwing the bashes, and really nothing has changed, and all the really great companies have the same things in common, an ability to NOT seperate or alienate their customers(us)

But if we have to understand that our demands can only be catered too, if we take an active role, and see that the success of promotoers, and artists alike are in an equation that we perpetuate.

What the fuck does all this mean?

-BE PATIENT!
-understand that bigger isnt necceseraly better,
-think headz are too young? Are you being a hypocrite, or is this really a problem? I was 13 when i started off, and for the next 14 years or so, the same concerns have come and gone.
-MORE DNB!?!?!?! Hahahaaha, go and talk to the jay autos, and tobys of the biz, and ask them why "bigger and badder" shows havent come out?!? Ask them how touch and go throwing a show is here? There is really no rhyme or reason! Sometimes ive been in the basement for an all local event that has the walls sweating, and other times i see the likes of the accidental heroes kill it to a half empty room? WTF?

i personally think, that we should shift away from the mentality of "if you will build it, we will come" to the "well come, build it!" mentality.

On a side note, although my active involvement has lessended quite a bit, i am inspired by where drum and bass has gone in this city in just the last year! The promoters and artists alike havent been pulling their punches, and it shows in the involvment and hype!

and for all you cats WHO STILL HAVE NO IDEA - NWDNB.BC.CA - GET THE FUCK UP ON IT!

ps: one day i will be able to see evol intent live -ONE DAY!
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Old Dec 23, 05
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Good

I think we should have more dressing codes and more like members only clubs also...
We have that alot in France&CH and I love it that way, cause it works fairly well...
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Old Dec 23, 05
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killing all the candy kids would be a start.
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Old Dec 23, 05
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as for my real post.

Lately it seems that some promoters keep on bringing the same acts over and over and over and over.. Thats really not going to help the kids come to your event if theyve seen that same damn dj less than a year ago. Promoters should not only bring in new acts, but also different kinds of style, add some HardCore, Drum n Bass, Hard Trance dj's.. Theres plenty out there. It just seems that Vancity's focus is Trance. There needs to be variation.

End Of.
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Old Dec 23, 05
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as for my real post.

Lately it seems that some promoters keep on bringing the same acts over and over and over and over.. Thats really not going to help the kids come to your event if theyve seen that same damn dj less than a year ago. Promoters should not only bring in new acts, but also different kinds of style, add some HardCore, Drum n Bass, Hard Trance dj's.. Theres plenty out there. It just seems that Vancity's focus is Trance. There needs to be variation.

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You are so right.
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Old Dec 24, 05
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too bad all the promoters in van dont have 20+k for tiesto
the price of a maritime party costs more than tiesto...
and how'd u guess 20k?
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Old Dec 25, 05
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i voted for a newer large venue for legal events, too bad there isnt one around tho... i also agree with the age restriction thing but that is kinda hard to enforce and that being said evryone has a right to party.. i myself was a socalled youngin when i started so it dusnt bother me too much
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Old Dec 28, 05
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Vancouver scene sucks, nothing can make it better. Its just not meant for raves, leave it to us professionals we europeans know how to throw wicked parties. I suggest the city needs to allow raves to be held at GM Place. The city needs more big time promoters like "My Sweet Music" from the UK, huge production companies that will bring in the big guns such as Tiesto, PVD, Armin, Baby Anne, me ;)
Uhhh.... I dont think the city needs big time euro-style promoters. Its more the municipality that is killing the scene. The local guys here bring out the same big guns as the mega-promoters in europe. Armins been here like 3 times in the past 18 months, Ferry a couple of times.... PVD was here not too long ago... Above and Beyond, BT, Scot Project, Yoji, Kyau vs Albert, and so on and so on.. They are all big guns, no?

Simply put, this music is not mainstream out here.. The big names alone cant draw european sized crowds. If GTR and Pulsar together cant draw a crowd big enough to fill Plush (awesome show, regardless of turnout btw), then is a 'Sensation Vancouver' what we really need? The people who goto see their favorite artists regardless of wether or not its a huge rave or intimate clubnight are the ones that are doing the scene good, and simply there arent enough of us.... unfortunately, drugs and dressing as slutty as you can and lightshows are more popular than the names that are brought here.
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Old Dec 28, 05
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Its not just the huge trance names that are being brought here either..... IMO every genre down here is covered in terms of huge attractions.
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Old Dec 29, 05
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Im sure the Vancouver scene is great compared to where I live in BC.
hmmm.
the grass is greener on the other side of the fence eh.

try promoting more BC locals.

there are many under-dog-djs, and bands that would rock your venues.
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